Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[fadeddreams5]

That's not really Buu logic. It's Snorlax logic.

[Big Momma]

Something that didn't seem lame and that didn't have problems (like somehow not being able to sense Ki or thinking that Roshi is more useful than Gotenks).

But Goten and Trunks can sense Ki. And none of them think Roshi is more useful than them. Roshi brought himself.

[ShadowWolf87]

I'm wondering: what exactly would constitute a satisfactory excuse for you?

Something that didn't seem lame and that didn't have problems (like somehow not being able to sense Ki or thinking that Roshi is more useful than Gotenks).

If you are asking me what that excuse should be, I'm not a professional writer, comic artist or mangaka. I'm just a fan, all I can judge is if what they come up with satisfies me or not, it's not my job to do their job.

Where at any point is it implied the kids can't sense Ki? All that's said is that the boys were made to stay behind because they're too reckless, and frankly they are.

Nor is it implied Roshi or Tien are more "useful". But they're capable of tangling with Freeza's men at least, and are also adults. Senselessly endangering kids, bringing them into a literal war zone, would not be something Bulma approves of, and it's not something Gohan wants for his baby brother either. Makes sense to me.

Besides, Roshi was trying to compete for a shot to face someone at Freeza's level. Roshi's goofy like that and it seems he longs for the days when he was still considered the strongest man alive. I doubt he'd stay away even if they asked him to.

[TheGmGoken]

Why do you keep calling the guy "Pilfar?"

Isn't that his name?

which got so much mixed feedback as a majority thinks it was one of the weakest aspects of the movie.

Exactly why PILFAR is returning and not the kids. You're missing a lot without Goten or Trunks.

Pilaf as far as we know is returning because he's a plot device for how Sorbet and Tagoma get the Dragon Balls and revive Freeza.

Or...Sorbet and Tagoma could search for the Dragonball. Kinda like how in the screenshots had Tagoma HOLDING a Dragonball.

Bulma doesn't want Trunks involved because he's reckless. Gohan felt the same about Goten. Both boys being foolhardy as they are are likely to remember Freeza only from stories, assume he's about the same level of power, and foolishly try to take him on. One would guess Freeza being in his lowest form upon arrival indicates his true power would indeed be hidden. They could easily get cocky and try something only to wind up a corpse. Safer to leave them where they are, for now at least.

Gotenks was NEVER reckless. Hell the only REAL fight they had they only lost because of Boo's abilities. Also Bulma said Trunks and Goten. Gohan just listen to her orders. 1000 soilders. Two extra hands isn't going to hurt. It's lazy and bullshit. I have never called Toriyama lazy but if that was his idea then yes writing them out is lazy.

Again I ask why is Vegeta able to keep up with Goku when training with Whis?

Base Goku is strong enough to go toe to toe with Beerus. Base Vegeta is weaker than Freeza in the Namek saga. How is even able to see these guys move?

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[Marco Polo]

Spoiler! Freeza training

Spoiler:

Why is he so... Happy? He looks deranged. Like he's lost it. Lol.

Well, didn't he get "tortured" in Hell non-stop for over 15 years? That's quite a lot.

[sintzu]

Again I ask why is Vegeta able to keep up with Goku when training with Whis?

Base Goku is strong enough to go toe to toe with Beerus. Base Vegeta is weaker than Freeza in the Namek saga. How is even able to see these guys move?

He probably did the Ssjg ritual.

[rereboy]

Bulma doesn't want Trunks involved because he's reckless. Gohan felt the same about Goten. Both boys being foolhardy as they are are likely to remember Freeza only from stories, assume he's about the same level of power, and foolishly try to take him on. One would guess Freeza being in his lowest form upon arrival indicates his true power would indeed be hidden. They could easily get cocky and try something only to wind up a corpse. Safer to leave them where they are, for now at least.

And Buu falling into a deep sleep is... well, Buu logic, tbh. Seems fitting.

Both reasons are perfectly fine, imo. There's nothing lazy about it and it's quite fitting. Just as fitting as Yamcha electing to stay with Chiaotzu on the farm as he feels he may not be of much help. You may not LIKE it, but it's not out of place.

The only logical reason for people like Roshi getting involved in the fighting is because the sheer number of Freeza's soldier makes extra fighters useful since the strongest fighters can't be everywhere at once.

That makes Goten, Trunks and Buu wanted in the fighting.

As for Buu's sleeping, that's a very bad excuse for him since we saw how he sleeps in the manga and he just sleeps for a few moments.

[Lord Beerus]

Also, regarding the negativity, I saw a comment on youtube that went like this:

Fans: We want more DB!

Toriyama: OK

Fans: Boo! This sucks! We hate you!

Toriyama:

This, so much.

[ShadowWolf87]

That's not really Buu logic. It's Snorlax logic.

Mr. Buu is like a giant kid, goofy character. Something like him being sound asleep and impossible to wake up seems goofy to me, and I think it fits him.

In the end though, I feel it comes down to: do you really want these characters there, taking on fodder and then doing nothing, or would you rather the fodder be handled by characters for whom it would feel more satisfactory? I personally lean toward the latter and can't wait to see it. Others may just want them there regardless, and I get that, but that also cuts down the intensity and threat level that comes with those soldiers. Basically, it'd be over far too fast with Buu there or if the boys chose to fuse.

But again, they may wind up coming later on their own. Who knows?

[Retan]

The whole Whis stepping in poop after bragging cracked me up.

[TheGmGoken]

As for Buu's sleeping, that's a very bad excuse for him since we saw how he sleeps in the manga and he just sleeps for a few moments.

Pretty sure that was a manga gag.

The whole Whis stepping in poop after bragging cracked me up.

Beerus doesn't like litter boxes.

[rereboy]

Where at any point is it implied the kids can't sense Ki? All that's said is that the boys were made to stay behind because they're too reckless, and frankly they are.

Nor is it implied Roshi or Tenshinhan are more "useful". But they're capable of tangling with Freeza's men at least, and are also adults. Senselessly endangering kids, bringing them into a literal war zone, would not be something Bulma approves of, and it's not something Gohan wants for his baby brother either. Makes sense to me.

Besides, Roshi was trying to compete for a shot to face someone at Freeza's level. Roshi's goofy like that and it seems he longs for the days when he was still considered the strongest man alive. I doubt he'd stay away even if they asked him to.

One possible reason for the kids and Gotenks not showing up is them thinking that the gang has everything under control. By feeling Ki they know exactly what is going on at every moment of the battle and thus, when things get troublesome, they have no reason to not go and try to help.

Endangering kids...? They are significantly older than they were in the Buu saga and probably were in more danger in the Buu saga and yet they fought in the Buu saga. Also, in the Buu saga, they didn't care much about rules and entered tournaments disguised and went to see warlocks that their fathers were fighting without caring about permission or much else.

Pretty sure that was a manga gag.

It might be funny but it doesn't mean that its not how Buu sleeps. And even if he slept normally, nobody would wake him during an invasion, especially when he can be very useful against the soldiers?

[Retan]

I wonder if he turned that egg/stone into litter in BoG?

[ShadowWolf87]

Bulma doesn't want Trunks involved because he's reckless. Gohan felt the same about Goten. Both boys being foolhardy as they are are likely to remember Freeza only from stories, assume he's about the same level of power, and foolishly try to take him on. One would guess Freeza being in his lowest form upon arrival indicates his true power would indeed be hidden. They could easily get cocky and try something only to wind up a corpse. Safer to leave them where they are, for now at least.

And Buu falling into a deep sleep is... well, Buu logic, tbh. Seems fitting.

Both reasons are perfectly fine, imo. There's nothing lazy about it and it's quite fitting. Just as fitting as Yamcha electing to stay with Chiaotzu on the farm as he feels he may not be of much help. You may not LIKE it, but it's not out of place.

The only logical reason for people like Roshi getting involved in the fighting is because the sheer number of Freeza's soldier makes extra fighters useful since the strongest fighters can't be everywhere at once.

That makes Goten, Trunks and Buu wanted in the fighting.

As for Buu's sleeping, that's a very bad excuse for him since we saw how he sleeps in the manga and he just sleeps for a few moments.

Roshi's presence is warranted by Roshi wanting to be there and Roshi being an old and experienced warrior not likely to do something as reckless as those kids. He also likely opted to join of his own accord. I mean do you wanna see them send the old man back home to bed so he doesn't hurt himself? It's also not an uncommon character theme for Roshi to feel rapidly left behind by his students, remember the glory days. He likely wants to recapture that feeling. Roshi's there because Roshi wants to be as is his character.

As for Buu, he only NEEDS sleep for that long. He could CHOOSE to sleep longer. Humans could nap for 20 minutes and feel energized again, sleep for 6 hours and feel rested, but they can opt to sleep longer, and even at unexpected intervals. Odds are, based on Krillin's surprise, he expected him to be there. Meaning Buu likely was ready to go, got sleepy, and passed out. It's meant to be humorous, wish folks would stop taking it personally.

[Lord Beerus]

The whole Whis stepping in poop after bragging cracked me up.

Beerus doesn't like litter boxes.

Of course I don't.

I prefer to use an actual toilet, thank you very much.

[mAcChaos]

As for Buu, he only NEEDS sleep for that long. He could CHOOSE to sleep longer. Humans could nap for 20 minutes and feel energized again, sleep for 6 hours and feel rested, but they can opt to sleep longer, and even at unexpected intervals. Odds are, based on Krillin's surprise, he expected him to be there. Meaning Buu likely was ready to go, got sleepy, and passed out. It's meant to be humorous, wish folks would stop taking it personally.

Buu probably just blew them off.

[ShadowWolf87]

Where at any point is it implied the kids can't sense Ki? All that's said is that the boys were made to stay behind because they're too reckless, and frankly they are.

Nor is it implied Roshi or Tenshinhan are more "useful". But they're capable of tangling with Freeza's men at least, and are also adults. Senselessly endangering kids, bringing them into a literal war zone, would not be something Bulma approves of, and it's not something Gohan wants for his baby brother either. Makes sense to me.

Besides, Roshi was trying to compete for a shot to face someone at Freeza's level. Roshi's goofy like that and it seems he longs for the days when he was still considered the strongest man alive. I doubt he'd stay away even if they asked him to.

One possible reason for the kids and Gotenks not showing up is them thinking that the gang has everything under control. By feeling Ki they know exactly what is going on at every moment of the battle and thus, when things get troublesome, they have no reason to not go and try to help.

Endangering kids...? They are significantly older than they were in the Buu saga and probably were in more danger in the Buu saga and yet they fought in the Buu saga. Also, in the Buu saga, they didn't care much about rules and entered tournaments disguised and went to see warlocks that their fathers were fighting without caring about permission or much else.

Which is exactly why they may yet show up (or try to) in the movie.

But fighting Buu? That was out of desperation. Vegeta was dead, Gohan was presumed dead as they couldn't sense his ki anymore, and Goku had to return to the Afterlife soon. The only way to create a warrior strong enough to face Buu, it seemed, was to draft and teach those boys. It was an act of desperation, not choice. And look what came of it; the two immature kids acted like an even more immature kid upon fusing. And the way Gotenks behaves, he/they likely WOULD try to do something reckless, if not they themselves.

Again, this is hardly a stretch dude. I don't get the anger I see in this thread.

[sintzu]

The whole Whis stepping in poop after bragging cracked me up.

Beerus doesn't like litter boxes.

Of course I don't.

I prefer to use an actual toilet, thank you very much.

You do ? I mean of course you do,how dare anyone think otherwise of you're greatness.

[rereboy]

Roshi's presence is warranted by Roshi wanting to be there and Roshi being an old and experienced warrior not likely to do something as reckless as those kids. He also likely opted to join of his own accord. I mean do you wanna see them send the old man back home to bed so he doesn't hurt himself? It's also not an uncommon character theme for Roshi to feel rapidly left behind by his students, remember the glory days. He likely wants to recapture that feeling. Roshi's there because Roshi wants to be as is his character.

As for Buu, he only NEEDS sleep for that long. He could CHOOSE to sleep longer. Humans could nap for 20 minutes and feel energized again, sleep for 6 hours and feel rested, but they can opt to sleep longer, and even at unexpected intervals. Odds are, based on Krillin's surprise, he expected him to be there. Meaning Buu likely was ready to go, got sleepy, and passed out. It's meant to be humorous, wish folks would stop taking it personally.

And the reason for the kids not wanting to be there, especially after feeling things getting troublesome is...? There's none.

Buu sleeping for 2 hours, considering that he seems to only need to sleep for a few moments, would be like a human sleeping weeks instead of 8 hours. But even ignoring that, nobody would bother to wake him during an invasion in which he can be useful?

[CordonBloo]

I believe this was touched on in the most recent blog update, Bulma says the rugrats were left behind like with Chouzu, presumably they've been forbidden to join in on account of it being too dangerous.

That's not to say they won't though, we've only seen trailers.