Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Sandubadear]

@Buu sleeping

He cycled between rampages and long hibernation. During numerous iterations of this cycle, he absorbed the evil elements of mankind, becoming steadily more violent. The evil wizard Bibidi merely knew the means of calling Buu from out of his long slumber.

Maybe he just fell into one of those hibernations again.

[TheGmGoken]

I believe this was touched on in the most recent blog update, Bulma says the rugrats were left behind like with Chouzu, presumably they've been forbidden to join in on account of it being too dangerous.

That's not to say they won't though, we've only seen trailers.

Rugrats.... no new design then. Same old design unlike everyone else. That's if they even appear. These two always get treated like shit by fans but even haters gotta agree that this kinda is lame..

[rereboy]

Which is exactly why they may yet show up (or try to) in the movie.

But fighting Buu? That was out of desperation. Vegeta was dead, Gohan was presumed dead as they couldn't sense his ki anymore, and Goku had to return to the Afterlife soon. The only way to create a warrior strong enough to face Buu, it seemed, was to draft and teach those boys. It was an act of desperation, not choice. And look what came of it; the two immature kids acted like an even more immature kid upon fusing. And the way Gotenks behaves, he/they likely WOULD try to do something reckless, if not they themselves.

Again, this is hardly a stretch dude. I don't get the anger I see in this thread.

And if they show up, it will be good.

They fought Buu because if Buu wasn't stopped, people would probably die, and because they wanted to. Those are the same reasons for them to fight Freeza and his soldiers.

I'm not angry at all. I'm just discussing the choices for the movie.

[Kamiccolo9]

Why do you keep calling the guy "Pilfar?"

Isn't that his name?

His name is Pilaf.

[ShadowWolf87]

Roshi's presence is warranted by Roshi wanting to be there and Roshi being an old and experienced warrior not likely to do something as reckless as those kids. He also likely opted to join of his own accord. I mean do you wanna see them send the old man back home to bed so he doesn't hurt himself? It's also not an uncommon character theme for Roshi to feel rapidly left behind by his students, remember the glory days. He likely wants to recapture that feeling. Roshi's there because Roshi wants to be as is his character.

As for Buu, he only NEEDS sleep for that long. He could CHOOSE to sleep longer. Humans could nap for 20 minutes and feel energized again, sleep for 6 hours and feel rested, but they can opt to sleep longer, and even at unexpected intervals. Odds are, based on Krillin's surprise, he expected him to be there. Meaning Buu likely was ready to go, got sleepy, and passed out. It's meant to be humorous, wish folks would stop taking it personally.

And the reason for the kids not wanting to be there, especially after feeling things getting troublesome is...? There's none.

Buu sleeping for 2 hours, considering that he seems to only need to sleep for a few moments, would be like a human sleeping weeks instead of 8 hours. But even ignoring that, nobody would bother to wake him during an invasion in which he can be useful?

What's it matter if they want to be there? Their authority figures said no, so for now they're stuck at home.

And they tried to wake him, man. He just wouldn't get up.

[Dyno]

A clash of two major villains of their own saga in a movie... But for an apparently stupid reason, we won't see Majin Buu and Freeza next to each other. This, my folks... Is what me and Iam Malcolm like to call: chaos theory.

[ShadowWolf87]

Which is exactly why they may yet show up (or try to) in the movie.

But fighting Buu? That was out of desperation. Vegeta was dead, Gohan was presumed dead as they couldn't sense his ki anymore, and Goku had to return to the Afterlife soon. The only way to create a warrior strong enough to face Buu, it seemed, was to draft and teach those boys. It was an act of desperation, not choice. And look what came of it; the two immature kids acted like an even more immature kid upon fusing. And the way Gotenks behaves, he/they likely WOULD try to do something reckless, if not they themselves.

Again, this is hardly a stretch dude. I don't get the anger I see in this thread.

And if they show up, it will be good.

They fought Buu because if Buu wasn't stopped, people would probably die, and because they wanted to. Those are the same reasons for them to fight Freeza and his soldiers.

I'm not angry at all. I'm just discussing the choices for the movie.

There's no reason for them to have to face that now. The adults are all alive and well and capable of handling this. That wasn't the case when Buu returned. So their families are opting to not risk them being hurt or doing anything reckless.

Pretty straightforward, still not seeing the issue.

[rereboy]

What's it matter if they want to be there? Their authority figures said no, so for now they're stuck at home.

And they tried to wake him, man. He just wouldn't get up.

Except they have shown us to really don't care much about those impositions. They entered a tournament that they knew that couldn't enter, they ran away when they were discovered, and they immediately went to see the dangerous creature their parents were fighting, and their fusion, Gotenks, cares so little about what others say to him that he never listens. How come are these two guys suddenly care so much about what they told them?

So, Buu now, not only enters a sleep that lasts thousands of times longer than his regular sleep, but it's also such a deep sleep that he can't be awoken from it? Very convenient, to say the least

[Mewzard]

What's it matter if they want to be there? Their authority figures said no, so for now they're stuck at home.

And they tried to wake him, man. He just wouldn't get up.

Except they have shown us to really don't care much about those impositions. They entered a tournament that they knew that couldn't enter, they ran away when they were discovered, and they immediately went to see the dangerous creature their parents were fighting, and their fusion, Gotenks, cares so little about what others say to him that he never listens. How come are these two guys suddenly care so much about what they told them?

So, Buu now, not only enters a sleep that lasts thousands of times longer than his regular sleep, but it's also such a deep sleep that he can't be awoken from it? Very convenient, to say the least

You mean they might be slightly more mature when it comes to obedience to their parents/elders as they matured and won't act like they did at 7-8? What sorcery is this?!

In all seriousness though, people can mature with age (maybe not a lot sometimes, but in some ways).

[RandomGuy96]

What's it matter if they want to be there? Their authority figures said no, so for now they're stuck at home.

And they tried to wake him, man. He just wouldn't get up.

Except they have shown us to really don't care much about those impositions. They entered a tournament that they knew that couldn't enter, they ran away when they were discovered, and they immediately went to see the dangerous creature their parents were fighting, and their fusion, Gotenks, cares so little about what others say to him that he never listens. How come are these two guys suddenly care so much about what they told them?

So, Buu now, not only enters a sleep that lasts thousands of times longer than his regular sleep, but it's also such a deep sleep that he can't be awoken from it? Very convenient, to say the least

Because, uh... well... shut up, you're just a complainer who will never be satisfied. How can you not see Toriyama's genius? Obviously, leaving out the actually relevant characters while giving their screen time to a creepy sex offender that is weaker than Raditz is the best course of action!

Hey Herms, quick question since we're on the topic of Hell: in the Japanese manga, was it stated that Hell was like Dabra's Demon Realm? Or simply that Dabra would enjoy Hell?

Enma only says Dabra would be happy to be sent to Hell, so he sent him to Heaven instead. I've always assumed this meant Hell is similar to the Demon Realm, but it's never explicitly stated. Maybe the truth is that Enma just knows Dabura really likes teddy bears and cute angels...

Ah, I see. Thank you. While that's funny to think about it, there's a 99% chance that it's just another error. Or maybe Heaven is just really, really terrible.

You mean they might be slightly more mature when it comes to obedience to their parents/elders as they matured and won't act like they did at 7-8? What sorcery is this?!

In all seriousness though, people can mature with age (maybe not a lot sometimes, but in some ways).

Man, what planet do you live in where teenagers are more obedient than children?

[rereboy]

There's no reason for them to have to face that now. The adults are all alive and well and capable of handling this. That wasn't the case when Buu returned. So their families are opting to not risk them being hurt or doing anything reckless.

Pretty straightforward, still not seeing the issue.

If they help out, the enemy and his soldiers will be defeated faster, which means that there will be much less of a chance of earthlings being killed by the battle and by Freeza and his soldiers. In other words, their intervention would probably save lives. That the same basic reason they had in the Buu saga, except now they have help.

And, like I mentioned, they would want to fight and them obeying rules is kind of out of character.

[Low Tone G]

Again I ask why is Vegeta able to keep up with Goku when training with Whis?

Base Goku is strong enough to go toe to toe with Beerus. Base Vegeta is weaker than Freeza in the Namek saga. How is even able to see these guys move?

He probably did the Ssjg ritual.

I hope! But maybe he has other powers which can make him strong enough... He has some different looking aura in the trailer than the SJ-God's, but it does imply that he is not using a Mystic Saiyan God power, because that aura is a more explosive one than Goku's white aura from the trailer.


I think Vegeta's new power/form will the answer why was Freeza able to become so strong to compete Goku power in 4 months. If Freeza could do it, then the Saiyan prince(who was regarded as a prodigy among the Saiyans) Vegeta will also can. (kidding, but I can possibly be right)

[ShadowWolf87]

What's it matter if they want to be there? Their authority figures said no, so for now they're stuck at home.

And they tried to wake him, man. He just wouldn't get up.

Except they have shown us to really don't care much about those impositions. They entered a tournament that they knew that couldn't enter, they ran away when they were discovered, and they immediately went to see the dangerous creature their parents were fighting, and their fusion, Gotenks, cares so little about what others say to him that he never listens. How come are these two guys suddenly care so much about what they told them?

So, Buu now, not only enters a sleep that lasts thousands of times longer than his regular sleep, but it's also such a deep sleep that he can't be awoken from it? Very convenient, to say the least

That's the point; it's obscenely inconvenient for the characters and done for the sake of a joke. It's nice to keep the humor alive at times.

And the boys, again, may not be staying. But they are not there at the start for the stated reason. Plus I see people insist they may have matured enough to not be reckless anymore, yet for whatever reason they can't have matured enough to respect authority. Either way though, they wouldn't be playing a huge part in the film even if they do show up. Would kinda undercut everyone else's struggle.

I'd laugh like crazy if they show up when everything's over and pitch a fit though.

[ShadowWolf87]

You mean they might be slightly more mature when it comes to obedience to their parents/elders as they matured and won't act like they did at 7-8? What sorcery is this?!

In all seriousness though, people can mature with age (maybe not a lot sometimes, but in some ways).

Man, what planet do you live in where teenagers are more obedient than children?

By that logic, them being kept behind for being too reckless would make even more sense though.

[RandomGuy96]

You mean they might be slightly more mature when it comes to obedience to their parents/elders as they matured and won't act like they did at 7-8? What sorcery is this?!

In all seriousness though, people can mature with age (maybe not a lot sometimes, but in some ways).

Man, what planet do you live in where teenagers are more obedient than children?

By that logic, them being kept behind for being too reckless would make even more sense though.

Except they were always less reckless in serious situations than Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo, who are allowed to show up. At least they never actively decided against killing a villain when they had the chance for no reason other than "it'll be fun to fight more".

Also, disobedient =/= reckless.

[rereboy]

You mean they might be slightly more mature when it comes to obedience to their parents/elders as they matured and won't act like they did at 7-8? What sorcery is this?!

In all seriousness though, people can mature with age (maybe not a lot sometimes, but in some ways).

Actually, if they are more mature, they will still want to disobey because they would realize that they can help and that it's their responsibility to help.

And if they aren't more mature, they will want to fight because they would think that fighting off an invasion like that is awesome and they wouldn't care that they aren't allowed.

So, either way... I see no reason for them not to go.

[fadeddreams5]

That's not really Buu logic. It's Snorlax logic.

Mr. Buu is like a giant kid, goofy character. Something like him being sound asleep and impossible to wake up seems goofy to me, and I think it fits him.

In the end though, I feel it comes down to: do you really want these characters there, taking on fodder and then doing nothing, or would you rather the fodder be handled by characters for whom it would feel more satisfactory? I personally lean toward the latter and can't wait to see it. Others may just want them there regardless, and I get that, but that also cuts down the intensity and threat level that comes with those soldiers. Basically, it'd be over far too fast with Buu there or if the boys chose to fuse.

But again, they may wind up coming later on their own. Who knows?

It's just too convenient. We've seen Buu sleep before in his saga. He never slept for that long.

And yeah, I would want Buu and Trunks there because their incarnations are specifically mentioned by Frieza. How do you write that into the plot and then exclude these two characters? It's not like their role HAD to involve them fighting the mooks like the others.

I stand by my speculation that they will serve some purpose. They just have to. >_>

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It's just too convenient. We've seen Buu sleep before in his saga. He never slept for that long.

He was sleeping for very long periods before Bibidi found him, and used a spell to wake him up.

[ShadowWolf87]

That's not really Buu logic. It's Snorlax logic.

Mr. Buu is like a giant kid, goofy character. Something like him being sound asleep and impossible to wake up seems goofy to me, and I think it fits him.

In the end though, I feel it comes down to: do you really want these characters there, taking on fodder and then doing nothing, or would you rather the fodder be handled by characters for whom it would feel more satisfactory? I personally lean toward the latter and can't wait to see it. Others may just want them there regardless, and I get that, but that also cuts down the intensity and threat level that comes with those soldiers. Basically, it'd be over far too fast with Buu there or if the boys chose to fuse.

But again, they may wind up coming later on their own. Who knows?

It's just too convenient. We've seen Buu sleep before in his saga. He never slept for that long.

And yeah, I would want Buu and Trunks there because their incarnations are specifically mentioned by Freeza. How do you write that into the plot and then exclude these two characters? It's not like their role HAD to involve them fighting the mooks like the others.

I stand by my speculation that they will serve some purpose. They just have to. >_>

No, they really don't. Buu being mentioned does not in any way mean he has to be there just to get bopped by Freeza.

[rereboy]

It's just too convenient. We've seen Buu sleep before in his saga. He never slept for that long.

He was sleeping for very long periods before Bibidi found him, and used a spell to wake him up.

In the original manga, he is supposed to be a creation of Bobidi. Him being around forever is a retcon that kind of goes against what we have in the manga, and if that's the justification for him to be sleeping in the movie, I think its a bad move.