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Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:48 pm

What's the debate about Goten and Trunks' motives going on for, anyway? Gohan says he didn't tell them, period. Probably exactly because telling them to NOT go would make them want to go.
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Post by Z-Dragon » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:50 pm

Wait... If Freeza destroys the Earth in the trailer, would Mr. Buu survive that planet explosion, wouldn't he? Kid Buu did survived in space thanks to his regeneration after he made the Earth explode with a ki-blast attack he fired at, so Mr. Buu should survive in space unless he's nowhere/dead after the planet explosion for whatever reason.

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Post by RandomGuy96 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:50 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:What's the debate about Goten and Trunks' motives going on for, anyway? Gohan says he didn't tell them, period. Probably exactly because telling them to NOT go would make them want to go.
It doesn't matter if he tells them. They can sense ki. The last time Freeza returned, everybody was instantly alerted by his ki from space.
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Post by Marco Polo » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:51 pm

In the manga they can't sense ki.

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Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:51 pm

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jjgp1112 wrote:What's the debate about Goten and Trunks' motives going on for, anyway? Gohan says he didn't tell them, period. Probably exactly because telling them to NOT go would make them want to go.
It doesn't matter if he tells them. They can sense ki. The last time Freeza returned, everybody was instantly alerted by his ki from space.
And considering how little we still actually know about the story...

Or the fact that the last time Frieza returned was in a filler movie...
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:52 pm

The last time Goten and Trunks were brought out for a big fight, they kinda died.

Having had the kids die once is more than enough reason for the adults to leave them out this time, as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by WittyUsername » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:56 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:The last time Goten and Trunks were brought out for a big fight, they kinda died.

Having had the kids die once is more than enough reason for the adults to leave them out this time, as far as I'm concerned.
Not letting them get involved in the fight doesn't really make sense though. Wouldn't they need all the help they can get? I mean, even Roshi is apparently going to be joining the fight, even though he never actually fought in the Z portion of the series.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:57 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:The last time Goten and Trunks were brought out for a big fight, they kinda died.

Having had the kids die once is more than enough reason for the adults to leave them out this time, as far as I'm concerned.
Not letting them get involved in the fight doesn't really make sense though. Wouldn't they need all the help they can get? I mean, even Roshi is apparently going to be joining the fight, even though he never actually fought in the Z portion of the series.
Because already over-protective mothers get even more over-protective after their kids die.
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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:58 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:The last time Goten and Trunks were brought out for a big fight, they kinda died.

Having had the kids die once is more than enough reason for the adults to leave them out this time, as far as I'm concerned.
This.

Goten and Trunks may be strong but they really aren't the most composed in battle. And I'm sure if they were to die again on the battlefield, it would lead to the Z-Fighters having a heavy conscious and incredible amount of guilt about it.

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Post by ShadowWolf87 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:58 pm

Z-Dragon wrote:Wait... If Freeza destroys the Earth in the trailer, would Mr. Buu survive that planet explosion, wouldn't he? Kid Buu did survived in space thanks to his regeneration after he made the Earth explode with a ki-blast attack he fired at, so Mr. Buu should survive in space unless he's nowhere/dead after the planet explosion for whatever reason.
It wouldn't matter if he were or not tbh, he's not on Freeza's level. That trailer bit may also be a bit misleading/meant to instill worry or excitement.
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Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:59 pm

Marco Polo wrote:In the manga they can't sense ki.
Huh, that actually is true. The only times we see them sense energy is in filler and the movies. They had to ask Gohan and Piccolo if Buu was dead, too, didn't they?
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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:01 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
WittyUsername wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:The last time Goten and Trunks were brought out for a big fight, they kinda died.

Having had the kids die once is more than enough reason for the adults to leave them out this time, as far as I'm concerned.
Not letting them get involved in the fight doesn't really make sense though. Wouldn't they need all the help they can get? I mean, even Roshi is apparently going to be joining the fight, even though he never actually fought in the Z portion of the series.
Because already over-protective mothers get even more over-protective after their kids die.
There's a term for that: Adult Fear

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:02 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:The last time Goten and Trunks were brought out for a big fight, they kinda died.

Having had the kids die once is more than enough reason for the adults to leave them out this time, as far as I'm concerned.
This.

Goten and Trunks may be strong but they really aren't the most composed in battle. And I'm sure if they were to die again on the battlefield, it would lead to the Z-Fighters having a heavy conscious and incredible amount of guilt about it.
And fans like me celebrating. Good riddance.

But in all honesty...well, honestly...good riddance. xDDD

No, but seriously, Gohan never backed down as a kid no matter how much Chi Chi insisted he stay behind. Goten and Trunks seem even more obstinate, so it makes no sense they'd listen to their moms.
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Post by WittyUsername » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:02 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
WittyUsername wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:The last time Goten and Trunks were brought out for a big fight, they kinda died.

Having had the kids die once is more than enough reason for the adults to leave them out this time, as far as I'm concerned.
Not letting them get involved in the fight doesn't really make sense though. Wouldn't they need all the help they can get? I mean, even Roshi is apparently going to be joining the fight, even though he never actually fought in the Z portion of the series.
Because already over-protective mothers get even more over-protective after their kids die.
Well to be fair, Chi-Chi and Bulma were both already dead by that point. Plus, shouldn't Goten and Trunks be teens by this point? Even if their mothers objected to letting them fight, it seems weird that they would be so willing to obey them.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:04 pm

WittyUsername wrote: Well to be fair, ChiChi and Bulma were both already dead by that point. Plus, shouldn't Goten and Trunks be teens by this point? Even if their mothers objected to letting them fight, it seems weird that they would be so willing to obey them.
It's funny what a guilt-tripping mother is capable of.
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Post by AvatarReiko » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:08 pm

Marco Polo wrote:In the manga they can't sense ki.
Actually, they can.

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Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:11 pm

AvatarReiko wrote:
Marco Polo wrote:In the manga they can't sense ki.
Actually, they can.
Oh, shit. I thought those scenes were filler for some reason.
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Post by Ryuman » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:11 pm

Damn, I liked how this film was going and thought the reasoning to certain events that have just come to light were reasonably sound. Sucks that this film is actually objectively bad and disparaging to the franchise due to Toriyama's incompetence because some people happen to feel contrary to me. Was looking forward to it and everything, didn't even realise it was bad writing.

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Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:11 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Marco Polo wrote:In the manga they can't sense ki.
Huh, that actually is true. The only times we see them sense energy is in filler and the movies. They had to ask Gohan and Piccolo if Buu was dead, too, didn't they?
They can sense in the manga. What are you talking about?

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Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:26 pm

So a lot of the the complaints were BoG was too goofy, had too many characters, all about the Saiyans etc, so Toriyama takes out 5 of the goofiest characters including TWO Saiyans (Yamcha, Goten, Trunks, Buu, Satan) and people still find room to complain?

Anyway, does anyone think this could be a hint that Toriyama is subtly regretting the Buu arc?

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