Dragon Ball ranks 2nd in "Anime with the Best Score"

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Re: Dragon Ball ranks 2nd in "Anime with the Best Score"

Post by Xeogran » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:31 pm

That's your opinion, don't state it like a fact. For me, Kikuchi's score will always be the best one.

Judging it because of Kai is very biased considering that the music placement was pretty bad and it repeated the same 5-6 BGMs over and over. Original Dragon Ball and Z were where it shined.

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Re: Dragon Ball ranks 2nd in "Anime with the Best Score"

Post by Bullza » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:40 pm

Obviously it's my opinion whose else is it going to be?

I'd rather hear Yamamoto's 5-6 good songs over and over than listen to Kikuchi's 20+ poor songs any day. The amount isn't exactly a good thing if it just turns it into a depressing and boring 70's sounding show.

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Post by ShaneisMC » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:09 pm

kei17 wrote:
Bullza wrote:Seriously? Second....with that Kikuchi score? Riiiight. The plagiarised Yamamoto score was far better than that was.
For your information, the Yamamoto score was seriously hated by the Japanese fans. Everyone seemed happy when it was gone without any exaggeration.
Out of curiosity, I realize how the majority of people on here feel about it but do you know how the general japanese public feel about Sumitomo's music in the Buu saga?

edit* Also just to throw my 2 cents into the conversation at large, personally i REALLY like Yamamoto's score. I also really like a lot of Kikuchi's score as well. Out of probably some nostalgic bias i like some Faulconer as well but going back i still honestly like "some" of it a lot. Other parts not so much. As for Sumitomo, i dont particularly hate it like so many people seem to. Out of all of them though he is the one with the most tracks i dont like though. But that being said the tracks of his that are good i really really like.

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Post by fadeddreams5 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:22 pm

Lord Beerus wrote: I'm kinda shocked One Piece and Naruto Shippuden aren't in the top ten. Those shows have awesome OST's.
Yeah, this is a pretty bad list. No Yu Yu Hakusho either. =P

I don't quite like the anime, but Shippuden has one of the best OSTs I've heard. AoT being my #1 right now.

In other news, I like (like, not love) these Kikuchi themes:
- The End of Buu
- Krillin's death
- Son Gohan's theme
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- Prologue & Subtitle II
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- That theme that plays when Frieza reaches final form. You know, the Dum Duuuuuum...dum dum dummmm...duh duh duh dum theme.

See. I'm not completely biased. ^.^

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Post by UltimateHammerBro » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:28 pm

I'm glad to see that the score is well remembered, even today.
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Post by KingKaiGuy » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:50 pm

I'm happier that Detective Conan is on the list, but this is suprising. While it is my favorite score (I study with it playing from time to time and hum it when jogging), I never thought of it as the BEST score or anywhere close. NGE was an easy pick, but Dragon Ball being second? Wow.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:51 pm

Bullza wrote:I'd rather hear Yamamoto's 5-6 plagiarized songs over and over than listen to Kikuchi's 20+ good songs any day.
Fixed.

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Post by MagicBox » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:37 pm

Them voters got great taste. :thumbup:

I didn't expect Detective Conan to get third place. I mean, don't get me wrong. I love Katsuo Ōno. The first three Detective Conan soundtrack CDs? Where he's just pumping out jazz with his band? Those ABSOLUTELY belong on this list. But ever since 2000, he's been so reliant on his synthesizer instead of real instruments and it's really hurt his compositions...

Oh, uh... Dragon Ball! Seriously, congrats to Kikuchi.
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Post by InfernalVegito » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:48 pm

Great to see Ono and Kikuchi so high there. Seems to reflect aptly how I value both series' scores.
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Post by kei17 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:55 pm

TheBlackPaladin wrote:For clarification, when they say, "Dragon Ball," do they mean Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, or just Dragon Ball?
Kakarot88 wrote:Does this mean the entire Dragon Ball series including Z or just Dragon Ball?
It's the entire series including Z. In Japan and most other Asian countries, the original manga has more presence compared to the Western market, so the series tends to be referred to as just "Dragon Ball."
Kakarot88 wrote:kei17, not sure if you followed Yu Yu Hakusho at all but if you did/do, what is your opinion on that music/ do you know what generally the fan approval is?
I would watch the original broadcast in my childhood, but I was too little that I don't remember anything about the music. I'm not into the series, so I have no idea about the fan approval, too.
ShaneisMC wrote:Out of curiosity, I realize how the majority of people on here feel about it but do you know how the general japanese public feel about Sumitomo's music in the Buu saga?
SpiritBombTriumphant wrote:How do people feel about the Sumitomo score?
When BoG came out, their reactions were mostly like "The score is bland and non-DB-esque that the battle scenes felt lacking, but I can tolerate it." As for Kai, it's just being ignored. Every week on Twitter, I see only a few people tweeting about the score like "Hey, the Buu arc is on TV! But what's wrong with the music? It's strange." and that's all.
SpiritBombTriumphant wrote:And why would they hate the Yamamoto score?
Because they love the Kikuchi score and didn't want anything new.

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Post by Dbzfan94 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:57 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:
Bullza wrote:I'd rather hear Yamamoto's 5-6 plagiarized songs over and over than listen to Kikuchi's 20+ good songs any day.
Fixed.
Plagiarized or not, Yamamoto had some great tracks. Most of which were for the games (and were plagiarized), but still.
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Post by JulieYBM » Wed Mar 18, 2015 8:58 pm

Ah, nice to see the champions like Kikuchi and Sagisu up there. Although this is probably in reference to the original television series I think Sagisu's score for Evangelion 3.0 is by far his most genius work. It's right up there with his stuff for Bleach, powerful, haunting, and tonally variable.
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Post by MagicBox » Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:50 pm

SpiritBombTriumphant wrote:Japan is just crazy, I guess.
It's not a cultural thing, though. Kikuchi's music is beloved all around the world.

It's fine if Kikuchi's compositions and orchestrations aren't your thing. But, in this instance, I don't think your difference in opinion can be written off as "Well, it's just Japan, I guess."
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Post by Gonstead » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:08 pm

I personally enjoyed Shirō Sagisu's work on Bleach more than his work from Evangelion.
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Post by SpiritBombTriumphant » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:33 pm

Bullza wrote:
That being said, I personally find it really boring for the most part. The majority of the songs sound too similar to one another in my opinion


Exactly, it's one of the dreariest scores I've ever heard and incredibly repetitive to boot. It also sounds as dated hell and makes the show appear far older than it really is.
Agreed. Faulconer gave Z a great tone whereas Kikuchi just blundered it. That noise of Kikuchi's just.. ugh. But it doesn't matter in the end. Like I said it's just good that this series is #2 on the top list of all time. That is the important part.

Someone else mentioned that it isn't just Japan, but alas this won because of childhood nostalgia. As another person pointed out, it was non-students who voted and they implied it meant older people (e.x. graduated high school/college). They said that if the younger generation had voted, AoT would've done better.

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Post by kei17 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:50 am

SpiritBombTriumphant wrote:Agreed. Faulconer gave Z a great tone whereas Kikuchi just blundered it. That noise of Kikuchi's just.. ugh. But it doesn't matter in the end. Like I said it's just good that this series is #2 on the top list of all time. That is the important part.

Someone else mentioned that it isn't just Japan, but alas this won because of childhood nostalgia. As another person pointed out, it was non-students who voted and they implied it meant older people (e.x. graduated high school/college). They said that if the younger generation had voted, AoT would've done better.
So, this is your opnion; The Kikuchi score couldn't have highly ranked without old people's childhood nostalgia because the score itself definitely sucks from my personal point of view.

Your personal tastes in music have nothing to do with this ranking. It's hilarious that you express your love for Faulconer that comes from your childhood nostalgia while you consider the Japanese crazy for loving something from their childhood. You approve your own subjective view and nolstagia, but you deny others' and call people with different tastes CRAZY. And it's coming from the guy who preached about the necessity of cooperation between people with different tastes a while ago.

Who's really crazy here?
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Post by ShaneisMC » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:07 am

kei17 wrote:
SpiritBombTriumphant wrote:Agreed. Faulconer gave Z a great tone whereas Kikuchi just blundered it. That noise of Kikuchi's just.. ugh. But it doesn't matter in the end. Like I said it's just good that this series is #2 on the top list of all time. That is the important part.

Someone else mentioned that it isn't just Japan, but alas this won because of childhood nostalgia. As another person pointed out, it was non-students who voted and they implied it meant older people (e.x. graduated high school/college). They said that if the younger generation had voted, AoT would've done better.
So, this is your opnion; The Kikuchi score couldn't have highly ranked without old people's childhood nostalgia because the score itself definitely sucks from my personal point of view.

Your personal tastes in music have nothing to do with this ranking. It's hilarious that you express your love for Faulconer that comes from your childhood nostalgia while you consider the Japanese crazy for loving something from their childhood. You approve your own subjective view and nolstagia, but you deny others' and call people with different testes CRAZY. And it's coming from the guy who preached about the necessity of cooperation between people with different tastes a while ago.

Who's really crazy here?
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Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:18 am

kei17 wrote:
SpiritBombTriumphant wrote:Agreed. Faulconer gave Z a great tone whereas Kikuchi just blundered it. That noise of Kikuchi's just.. ugh. But it doesn't matter in the end. Like I said it's just good that this series is #2 on the top list of all time. That is the important part.

Someone else mentioned that it isn't just Japan, but alas this won because of childhood nostalgia. As another person pointed out, it was non-students who voted and they implied it meant older people (e.x. graduated high school/college). They said that if the younger generation had voted, AoT would've done better.
So, this is your opnion; The Kikuchi score couldn't have highly ranked without old people's childhood nostalgia because the score itself definitely sucks from my personal point of view.

Your personal tastes in music have nothing to do with this ranking. It's hilarious that you express your love for Faulconer that comes from your childhood nostalgia while you consider the Japanese crazy for loving something from their childhood. You approve your own subjective view and nolstagia, but you deny others' and call people with different testes CRAZY. And it's coming from the guy who preached about the necessity of cooperation between people with different tastes a while ago.

Who's really crazy here?
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Post by Adamant » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:58 am

I'm pretty sure this guy is just a troll, kei. Don't waste your time.
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Post by Ex-Dubbie369 » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:58 am

Good for DB and Eva of course, but the lack of Macross and Zeta Gundam on this list is shameful.

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