Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[sintzu]

Vegeta's not the main character.

He is a main character but even if he wasn't why would he have to be ? the best thing about the series is it gives other characters time to shine and you want them to take that away ?

If they do that then we'll end up with another Gt.

[Kishido]

I hope Vegeta will beat Freeza clean... Just to see the reactions here.

One thing I know for a fact is that the reactions will be ugly here and everywhere else.

And that's the damn fun...

You know what's funny... People would be mad here around... But Goku would actually be excited knowing that he has to train more... He for sure wouldn't start to cry that Vegeta is weaker in ONE movie.

If he would... His character would be even worse as Vegeta's at the end of DBZ.

[Big Momma]

I mean, Piccolo has just as much of a reason to want Freeza dead as Vegeta,

Vegeta's not the main character.

Sure, I guess you could say that. But his relationship with Freeza is completely different than Vegeta's. I'd even say it's almost non-existent.

Vegeta isn't the main character, but he is one of the main chracters, and that doesn't mean he can't be the one to defeat Freeza.

[sintzu]

And that's the damn fun...

The most fun will be in the Youtube comment section.

Only 9 days to go.

Sure, I guess you could say that. But his relationship with Freeza is completely different than Vegeta's. I'd even say it's almost non-existent.

He has 0 ties with him so it is non-existent.

[Birusu16]

Why does Vegeta deserve to beat Freeza again? That's the part I'm not getting.

Vegeta hated Freeza all the time for various reasons, and on top of that his defeat at Freeza's hands was humiliating. I'm not saying Vegeta cares about all that now, but personally I'd like to see him get "revenge" by being the one to defeat Freeza.

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Honestly, I'd rather just have Goku beat Freeza. It's been too long since the main character's had a win.

Even longer for Vegeta.

I mean, Piccolo has just as much of a reason to want Freeza dead as Vegeta,

Vegeta's not the main character.

Neither was Gohan yet he beat Cell. Trunks wasn't either yet he killed Freeza. Vegeta is the second biggest character in DB aside from Goku and he has yet to get a win against a significant villain (Android 19 is not Freeza, Cell, or Buu in terms of significance). Goku and Gohan have. Goku's gotten 2.

I'm at the point where I really hope it's Vegeta who beats him as the reactions here will certainly be something to look forward to. I'm getting sick of constantly hearing how Goku should be the hero when he's had that spotlight throughout the entire manga and in the movies.

[Doctor.]

He has 0 ties with him so it is non-existent.

Freeza almost killed him, murdered one of his friends and killed his entire race. It's not non-existent.

[Dayspring]

Vegeta's got a 50 percent too, thanks to Krillin

See the hole in the armor? That's the stomach, not the chest.

To play devil's advocate, that's where all of the non-heart organs and the bottom of the lungs are. Staying alive as long as Vegeta did once his kidneys, intestines and liver no longer existed is pretty damn impressive. Also, the one that killed Vegeta pierced his heart, whereas the one that Goku survived only pierced one of his lungs.

Why does Vegeta deserve to beat Freeza again? That's the part I'm not getting.

"Who gets to beat the genocidal, world-destroying alien royalty? The OTHER genocidal, world destroying alien royalty."

Here's a plot twist for ya: What if Vegeta finally has the opportunity to kill a villain, kill Freeza, something he'd wanted back in the day for so long (for... less than noble reasons, granted)

But then actually showed mercy for the first time. Similar to what happened when Goku opted to let him live with his shame.

Character growth PLUS He'd still get to blast him in the end.

That would make for good character arc. It could also lead to potentially tying into Vegeta and Kuriiza's appearances in Neko Majin Z if it turns out he convinces Freeza that family is what gives him strength.

[Big Momma]

He has 0 ties with him so it is non-existent.

Freeza almost killed him, murdered one of his friends and killed his entire race. It's not non-existent.

Murdered him, too

[Tennessaiyan]

He has 0 ties with him so it is non-existent.

To be fair, he DID kill his people, too...

But it's obvious as to why Vegeta would have more animosity towards Frieza. He made his life a living hell. But then again, if all that stuff hadn't happened, Vegeta wouldn't be living the life he is now with his family and friends. So maybe there is a possibity that Vegeta actually shows mercy to an enemy for the first time. Hmm.

[ekrolo2]

He has 0 ties with him so it is non-existent.

Freeza almost killed him, murdered one of his friends and killed his entire race. It's not non-existent.

Murdered him, too

His friend came back so no loss there, who hasn't almost killed Goku by this point? and I'm pretty sure Goku doesn't really care about the Saiyans.

[Kamiccolo9]

Neither was Gohan yet he beat Cell. Trunks wasn't either yet he killed Freeza. Vegeta is the second biggest character in DB aside from Goku and he has yet to get a win against a significant villain (Android 19 is not Freeza, Cell, or Buu in terms of significance). Goku and Gohan have. Goku's gotten 2.

Gohan was the main character in the late Cell Arc and most of the Buu Arc. Freeza was no longer the big bad when Trunks killed him.

I like Vegeta more than Goku. But Vegeta's done nothing to deserve this kind of win.

To play devil's advocate, that's where all of the non-heart organs and the bottom of the lungs are. Staying alive as long as Vegeta did once his kidneys, intestines and liver no longer existed is pretty damn impressive. Also, the one that killed Vegeta pierced his heart, whereas the one that Goku survived only pierced one of his lungs.

Well yeah, but we were talking strictly about chest wounds, thus my "Chest Wound Count" that I had going. I'm not saying it's any less impressive.

[Doctor.]

His friend came back so no loss there, who hasn't almost killed Goku by this point? and I'm pretty sure Goku doesn't really care about the Saiyans.

We were talking about Piccolo here, from what I gathered from the conversation.

[sintzu]

Neither was Gohan yet he beat Cell.

Trunks wasn't either yet he killed Freeza.

I'm at the point where I really hope it's Vegeta who beats him as the reactions here will certainly be something to look forward to.

He avenged his father.

He avenged his father and the Saiyan race.

It'll be very funny that's for sure.

[ekrolo2]

His friend came back so no loss there, who hasn't almost killed Goku by this point? and I'm pretty sure Goku doesn't really care about the Saiyans.

We were talking about Piccolo here, from what I gathered from the conversation.

Oh damn lol! Sorry, its just when I read the whole murdered his friend, race and almost killed him thing with Freeza I just automatically assumed Goku xD.

[Kamiccolo9]

He has 0 ties with him so it is non-existent.

Freeza almost killed him, murdered one of his friends and killed his entire race. It's not non-existent.

Murdered him, too

Not to mention he permanently fused with and gained the memories of a guy who had to stand back and watch his whole race dwindle down to nothing.

[ShadowWolf87]

Neither was Gohan yet he beat Cell. Trunks wasn't either yet he killed Freeza. Vegeta is the second biggest character in DB aside from Goku and he has yet to get a win against a significant villain (Android 19 is not Freeza, Cell, or Buu in terms of significance). Goku and Gohan have. Goku's gotten 2.

I'm at the point where I really hope it's Vegeta who beats him as the reactions here will certainly be something to look forward to. I'm getting sick of constantly hearing how Goku should be the hero when he's had that spotlight throughout the entire manga and in the movies.

I'm curious as to who's been saying Goku needs to be the "hero" (God forbid the actual protagonist be the protagonist though) in here. I've mostly seen people questioning how Vegeta's supposed to simply straight-up win when Goku gets stomped.

And the few I've seen want Goku to get a win haven't rationalized it as "because MC".

[Birusu16]

Neither was Gohan yet he beat Cell. Trunks wasn't either yet he killed Freeza. Vegeta is the second biggest character in DB aside from Goku and he has yet to get a win against a significant villain (Android 19 is not Freeza, Cell, or Buu in terms of significance). Goku and Gohan have. Goku's gotten 2.

Gohan was the main character in the late Cell Arc and most of the Buu Arc. Freeza was no longer the big bad when Trunks killed him.

I like Vegeta more than Goku. But Vegeta's done nothing to deserve this kind of win.

The arc, sure, but he wasn't the main character of the series. And he certainly wasn't ever the main character in the Buu arc. And what do you mean Freeza was no longer the big bad? Goku wasn't there and nobody else on Earth was strong enough to match Freeza. So yes, I'd say he certainly was the big bad for that small portion.

Yes, aside from help Goku and/or Gohan save the world numerous times and receive no credit for it, he's certainly done nothing.

Neither was Gohan yet he beat Cell. Trunks wasn't either yet he killed Freeza. Vegeta is the second biggest character in DB aside from Goku and he has yet to get a win against a significant villain (Android 19 is not Freeza, Cell, or Buu in terms of significance). Goku and Gohan have. Goku's gotten 2.

I'm at the point where I really hope it's Vegeta who beats him as the reactions here will certainly be something to look forward to. I'm getting sick of constantly hearing how Goku should be the hero when he's had that spotlight throughout the entire manga and in the movies.

I'm curious as to who's been saying Goku needs to be the "hero" (God forbid the actual protagonist be the protagonist though) in here. I've mostly seen people questioning how Vegeta's supposed to simply straight-up win when Goku gets stomped.

And the few I've seen want Goku to get a win haven't rationalized it as "because MC".

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Uh where did I say it was just on here? And this lame MC excuse doesn't fly. Gohan wasn't the MC nor was Trunks. People really should stop playing that card.

[fadeddreams5]

Honestly, I'd rather just have Goku beat Freeza. It's been too long since the main character's had a win.

When was the last time he beat someone? 2008 OVA?

I hope Vegeta will beat Freeza clean... Just to see the reactions here.

One thing I know for a fact is that the reactions will be ugly here and everywhere else.

Everywhere else, I'm sure casuals will be celebrating. lol.

[Kamiccolo9]

Neither was Gohan yet he beat Cell. Trunks wasn't either yet he killed Freeza. Vegeta is the second biggest character in DB aside from Goku and he has yet to get a win against a significant villain (Android 19 is not Freeza, Cell, or Buu in terms of significance). Goku and Gohan have. Goku's gotten 2.

Gohan was the main character in the late Cell Arc and most of the Buu Arc. Freeza was no longer the big bad when Trunks killed him.

The arc, sure, but he wasn't the main character of the series. And he certainly wasn't ever the main character in the Buu arc. And what do you mean Freeza was no longer the big bad? Goku wasn't there and nobody else on Earth was strong enough to match Freeza. So yes, I'd say he certainly was the big bad for that small portion.

I like Vegeta more than Goku. But Vegeta's done nothing to deserve this kind of win.

Yes, aside from help Goku and/or Gohan save the world numerous times and receive no credit for it, he's certainly done nothing.

Neither was Gohan yet he beat Cell. Trunks wasn't either yet he killed Freeza. Vegeta is the second biggest character in DB aside from Goku and he has yet to get a win against a significant villain (Android 19 is not Freeza, Cell, or Buu in terms of significance). Goku and Gohan have. Goku's gotten 2.

I'm at the point where I really hope it's Vegeta who beats him as the reactions here will certainly be something to look forward to. I'm getting sick of constantly hearing how Goku should be the hero when he's had that spotlight throughout the entire manga and in the movies.

I'm curious as to who's been saying Goku needs to be the "hero" (God forbid the actual protagonist be the protagonist though) in here. I've mostly seen people questioning how Vegeta's supposed to simply straight-up win when Goku gets stomped.

And the few I've seen want Goku to get a win haven't rationalized it as "because MC".

Uh where did I say it was just on here? And this lame MC excuse doesn't fly. Gohan wasn't the MC nor was Trunks. People really should stop playing that card.

Considering that it was usually his fault?

And yes, Gohan was the main character. Toriyama says as much himself.

[Kamiccolo9]

Honestly, I'd rather just have Goku beat Freeza. It's been too long since the main character's had a win.

When was the last time he beat someone? 2008 OVA?

The last time he straight-up won a fight was Yakon. If you want to include the other movies, he also beat Hirudegarn.