Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Birusu16]

If sitting on your ass for hours is building one up as the mightiest in the universe then quite a lot of people have that in spades. The fact is that Goku has had more fights and more panel time than Gohan had in the Buu arc. And Goku was the one who managed to beat Buu and get the final fight in the manga. Gohan wasn't even present for the final fight.

In case you didn't notice, the whole time Gohan was on his ass....Goku was right there next to him. Except he was doing absolutely nothing.

And what was Gohan doing? Sitting on his ass. Goku actually had a legit excuse in that he couldn't do anything as he wasn't allowed to return the living world. It wasn't until the elder kai gave him his life that he was able to return.

[TheGmGoken]

Goku didnt defeat Boo. He lost. Hell everyone defeated Boo as the Earth, Namek Dragon, and others provided energy.

Then I guess that Genkidama came out of nowhere and the Super Saiyajin who was necessary to actually push it to Boo was Mr. Satan.

^This.

Say what you will about about whether Goku was the one to ultimately defeat Buu (whis he was) but he was, at the very least, the vessel.

He didn't defeat Boo. The Genki Damai wasn't even his ki. It was the Earth's. Goku didnt have energy to push that much ki. Goku didnt kill Boo. Sorry to tell you.

Also Piccolo should have more of a grudge than Vegeta.

[Kamiccolo9]

If sitting on your ass for hours is building one up as the mightiest in the universe then quite a lot of people have that in spades. The fact is that Goku has had more fights and more panel time than Gohan had in the Buu arc. And Goku was the one who managed to beat Buu and get the final fight in the manga. Gohan wasn't even present for the final fight.

In case you didn't notice, the whole time Gohan was on his ass....Goku was right there next to him. Except he was doing absolutely nothing.

And what was Gohan doing? Sitting on his ass. Goku actually had a legit excuse in that he couldn't do anything as he wasn't allowed to return the living world. It wasn't until the elder kai gave him his life that he was able to return.

Gohan had to sit there to get a power up that had been foreshadowed since the early Saiyan Arc. Have you actually read the story?

[sintzu]

Have you actually read the story?

We should be asking you this question.

[Birusu16]

Gohan had to sit there to get a power up that had been foreshadowed since the early Saiyan Arc. Have you actually read the story?

And thus was sitting on his ass. I don't care if it was so he could get a power-up. It's one of the laziest and contrived ways of powering someone up in DB and is definitely not building one up to be the mightiest in the universe as you say.

[Kamiccolo9]

And thus was sitting on his ass. I don't care if it was so he could get a power-up. It's one of the laziest and contrived ways of powering someone up in DB and is definitely not building one up to be the mightiest in the universe as you say.

And you're allowed to think that way.

The point is though, the focus there is on Gohan, not Goku. You can call it lame if you want, but the story is not about Goku at that point.

[fadeddreams5]

-Goku killed King Piccolo
-Goku defeated Frieza.
-Gohan wouldn't have even bothered countering Cell's kamehameha had Goku not interfered. He would have lost without Goku coaching him too.
-Goku formed the spirit bomb against Kid Buu.
-Goku defeated Aka.
-Goku killed Bebi
-Goku killed Super 17
-Goku formed the spirit bomb against Omega Shenron.
-Goku killed all but two of the movie villains (three if you don't want to count Gogeta). He lost against Beerus.

Help or not, Goku pretty much beat almost every major villain. The Cell battle in particular showed how he can win without raising his own fists. It baffles me that people want him to win because he hasn't done so in a long time. I'm not saying he shouldn't, but... because he hasn't done so in so long? >_>;

[Birusu16]

And thus was sitting on his ass. I don't care if it was so he could get a power-up. It's one of the laziest and contrived ways of powering someone up in DB and is definitely not building one up to be the mightiest in the universe as you say.

And you're allowed to think that way.

The point is though, the focus there is on Gohan, not Goku. You can call it lame if you want, but the story is not about Goku at that point.

And? It was one small portion of the arc. The majority of the arc including the most important portion (the ending) focused on Goku, which is evident by the amount of fights he had and the amount of panel time he had compared to Gohan.

[Dyno]

When we will be able to read Kanzenshuu's chapter 2 of the Toyotaro's manga?

[ShadowWolf87]

Have you actually read the story?

We should be asking you this question.

Because he's factually stating Goku wasn't the entire focus of the story at that point?

[ShadowWolf87]

And thus was sitting on his ass. I don't care if it was so he could get a power-up. It's one of the laziest and contrived ways of powering someone up in DB and is definitely not building one up to be the mightiest in the universe as you say.

And you're allowed to think that way.

The point is though, the focus there is on Gohan, not Goku. You can call it lame if you want, but the story is not about Goku at that point.

And? It was one small portion of the arc. The majority of the arc including the most important portion (the ending) focused on Goku, which is evident by the amount of fights he had and the amount of panel time he had compared to Gohan.

Again with "panel time".

This is getting ridiculous.

[Birusu16]

Again with "panel time".

This is getting ridiculous.

Then ignore my posts. Nobody is forcing you to read them.

[Doctor.]

Goku had no panel time at all on Namek, compared to Gohan, Kuririn and Vegeta. Do we doubt he was the hero there?

[Kamiccolo9]

And thus was sitting on his ass. I don't care if it was so he could get a power-up. It's one of the laziest and contrived ways of powering someone up in DB and is definitely not building one up to be the mightiest in the universe as you say.

And you're allowed to think that way.

The point is though, the focus there is on Gohan, not Goku. You can call it lame if you want, but the story is not about Goku at that point.

And? It was one small portion of the arc. The majority of the arc including the most important portion (the ending) focused on Goku, which is evident by the amount of fights he had and the amount of panel time he had compared to Gohan.

The Saiyaman stuff was entirely Gohan.
The Budokai stuff was mostly Gohan, with Goten and Trunks thrown in.
The Early Buu stuff was mostly Goten and Trunks, with Toriyama building up Gohan in the background.
The Mid-Buu stuff was split between Gohan and the other kids.
Goku wasn't the focus of the arc until the very end.

And you are totally ignoring the fact that Toriyama comes out and says that Gohan is replacing Goku as the main character.

[voltlunok]

If sitting on your ass for hours is building one up as the mightiest in the universe then quite a lot of people have that in spades. The fact is that Goku has had more fights and more panel time than Gohan had in the Buu arc. And Goku was the one who managed to beat Buu and get the final fight in the manga. Gohan wasn't even present for the final fight.

In case you didn't notice, the whole time Gohan was on his ass....Goku was right there next to him. Except he was doing absolutely nothing.

And what was Gohan doing? Sitting on his ass. Goku actually had a legit excuse in that he couldn't do anything as he wasn't allowed to return the living world. It wasn't until the elder kai gave him his life that he was able to return.

Ok, So I'm assuming you're talking about the Gohan meditation parts that lead to his mystic powers. Harnessing a power like that took more then just building strength! Meditation was needed, Training builds the body, meditation builds the mind. To pull out a power that is triggered by rage half the time, yeah I think taking a second to gain some clarity helps understand and allow you to pull that out. Labeling meditation (Something most martial artists do!) As just "Sitting on your ass." is not only insulting but a gross misunderstanding of the concept. Gohan didn't understand his power and meditating and reflecting on himself allowed him to understand it and himself! Keep in mind that Gohan might as well have been MC 2 with the fact his hidden power may have been one of the longest running plotlines of the series.

Now to have a little on topic relevance here, I'm actually intrigued by this Freeza is the youngest brother in his family, does this mean we can expect a in Toriyama timeline Cooler? Or is Freeza gonna have a sister we never knew about too?

[Dyno]

That line in an artbook (?) does not confirm anything until we have some evidence. Freeza continues to be the only King Cold's son.

[ShadowWolf87]

-Goku killed King Piccolo
-Goku defeated Freeza.
-Gohan wouldn't have even bothered countering Cell's kamehameha had Goku not interfered. He would have lost without Goku coaching him too.
-Goku formed the spirit bomb against Kid Buu.
-Goku defeated Aka.
-Goku killed Bebi
-Goku killed Super 17
-Goku formed the spirit bomb against Omega Shenron.
-Goku killed all but two of the movie villains (three if you don't want to count Gogeta). He lost against Beerus.

Help or not, Goku pretty much beat almost every major villain. The Cell battle in particular showed how he can win without raising his own fists. It baffles me that people want him to win because he hasn't done so in a long time. I'm not saying he shouldn't, but... because he hasn't done so in so long? >_>;

Goku was also beaten by Oozaru Vegeta, was body swapped by Ginyu and required help from the others to get his body back, suffered from a heart issue and almost was killed by Android 19 until rescued by Vegeta, and Vegeta also created the opening that allowed Gohan to overpower Cell in the first place, and Goku still required help to get the power to even PUSH the Genkidama.

And why are we referencing GT or Movies? And frankly, with the movie count, you're a bit off. Garlic Jr. was Piccolo AND Goku, Cooler the second time was Vegeta and Goku, with Vegeta finally crushing that memory chip, Broly's second beatdown was also a team effort and his third had Goku absent.

I mean unless we count any case where Goku was even involved as just Goku winning, the number's a lot smaller. We'd also then need to count every case where Vegeta contributed to a win, in which case his number grows.

[Birusu16]

The Saiyaman stuff was entirely Gohan.
The Budokai stuff was mostly Gohan, with Goten and Trunks thrown in.
The Early Buu stuff was mostly Goten and Trunks, with Toriyama building up Gohan in the background.
The Mid-Buu stuff was split between Gohan and the other kids.
Goku wasn't the focus of the arc until the very end.

And you are totally ignoring the fact that Toriyama comes out and says that Gohan is replacing Goku as the main character.

Only agree with the first one. Disagree with the other ones. And no, I'm not ignoring it. I'm going with what I see on panel and what I see is Goku being the hero in the Buu arc and not Gohan. Either way, I'm done with this argument. It's off-topic and it's pointless.

[ShadowWolf87]

Again with "panel time".

This is getting ridiculous.

Then ignore my posts. Nobody is forcing you to read them.

I'm jussayin', if we go by "Panel Time" as our standard for who's important, Krillin is the second-most important character in the entirety of DB.

How many people actually think that though?

[Kamiccolo9]

The Saiyaman stuff was entirely Gohan.
The Budokai stuff was mostly Gohan, with Goten and Trunks thrown in.
The Early Buu stuff was mostly Goten and Trunks, with Toriyama building up Gohan in the background.
The Mid-Buu stuff was split between Gohan and the other kids.
Goku wasn't the focus of the arc until the very end.

And you are totally ignoring the fact that Toriyama comes out and says that Gohan is replacing Goku as the main character.

Only agree with the first one. Disagree with the other ones. And no, I'm not ignoring it. I'm going with what I see on panel and what I see is Goku being the hero in the Buu arc and not Gohan.

Well yeah, I can see how one would think that if one were to ignore all of the parts where Goku did absolutely nothing.