Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Cetra]

So where exactly was Freeza being the youngest brother mentioned recently? As yesterday some people here talked about it.

[Gianchio]

So where exactly was Freeza being the youngest brother mentioned recently? As yesterday some people here talked about it.

[Toonami97]

In regards to the whole Goku /Vegeta vs Freeza team up. What you guys basically Want is this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1kdvhyTZ7I

The music on that clip... oh god... it was one of the first Anime songs I ever had. I didn't even knew where it came from. I recorded it from a radio station on a cassette. Holy shit... *NOSTALGIA ATTACK*

Well we should all remember the better days

[Toonami97]

Re: dual attacks / teamwork
Something like this. :3


Or if we're going "pink magenta and blue", always been partial to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz9U9qGGYmo

You know this just reminded that I REALLY Hate Tuxedo Mask

[SSJGFrieza]

Definitely. I'd say stick to whichever the latest edition of the 2ch F thread will be at that point.
It's currently on incarnation #71 - http://kanae.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/animovie/1426659616/ but they're almost to the #1000 post cut off (977 last I checked).
Here's #72 http://kanae.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/animovie/1426986090/

If it's anything like BOG's 2ch threads during the preview screenings though, they're gonna be going through threads like water, but luckily the old versions don't vanish until 24 hours since the final post, so unless you're there live you'll probably be headed down the rabbit hole of thread-after-thread for a while.

If it is indeed at 13:00/1pm Japan time (please someone confirm or deny this b/c I don't have a source, I know I just read it somewhere) then that means it'll start at 2am EST. If the movie is two hours long (being generous) the threads won't start flooding until 5am EST.

I just remembered there's the LA screening on the 11th too. So it's all good either way.

[Kishido]

Let me summarize this thread... Ignoring the stuff about Gohan/Trunks/Goten and so on..

First people bitch about Frieza becoming so strong able to fight/beat Goku with just 4 month of training... Which of course is shit

But now people just want a double team againt this bullshit of Frieza because they don't like that hero Goku will lose and ONCE Vegeta will save the day for ONCE.

If I could choose... I would even prefer a base Goten beating Frieza instead a double team of post BoG Vegeta and Goku.

It wouldn't be a true win as double team... The point against Frieza is completely different as against another foes. Frieza's whole character was shown to be afraid of Saiyans and that's why he as blown up the whole planet... The Namek saga highlight was Frieza's trauma being beaten by ONE Super Saiyan... This moves on being beaten AGAIN by ONE Super Saiyan.

And now it should take TWO way stronger Saiyan's against this Frieza... Yeah... because cry me a river... Vegeta shouldn't be the one to beat a foe... Because he is still an asshole and Goku can't be weaker than anyone... Funny is that he wouldn't care and instead would train even more for the next movie, where he would be the hero again... And that he has given a shit about Gohan being stronger as him at Cell saga, Mystic Gohan being stronger and well even Gotenks being stronger.

And let take the chance away of showing the progression of Vegeta's character even more

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Because it has been said that vegeta will have a more important role than in any other movie

and what you say is a minor role that in cooler's movie or Fussion

But he didn't have a minor role in Movies 6 & 12.

Goku being the main character doesn't mean other characters can't shine.

You don't have to beat the main villain to shine, or to play an important role.

If Gohan who did 0 before defeating Cell can have a win then surely Vegeta can.

Vegeta isn't Goku's son, and he wasn't meant to take Goku's place.

[sintzu]

First people bitch about Freeza becoming so strong able to fight/beat Goku with just 4 month of training... Which of course is shit.

But now people just want a double team against this bullshit of Freeza because they don't like that hero Goku will lose and ONCE Vegeta will save the day for ONCE.

Another thing is before it was announced that Freeza was the villain people were complaining about how Freeza should have died an epic death on Namek instead of being a joke to Trunks and now that he's back and will probably get that battle to the death they don't want it ?

Looking at Goku's condition in the last trailer I think the chance of a double team up against him is 10% or less so more then likely Vegeta is going to be the one who puts him down.

One thing I noticed is that a lot of complaints are due to the stories being new and not the stories themselves.

Vegeta isn't Goku's son.

and he wasn't meant to take Goku's place.

What does that have to do with anything ? his character has been building up to this from day 1 and you're saying he can't have it because Goku's blood doesn't run through his veins ? That makes 0 sense from a story stand point.

Him beating a villain doesn't mean he'll be taking Goku's place.

[ekrolo2]

First people bitch about Freeza becoming so strong able to fight/beat Goku with just 4 month of training... Which of course is shit.

But now people just want a double team against this bullshit of Freeza because they don't like that hero Goku will lose and ONCE Vegeta will save the day for ONCE.

One thing I noticed is that a lot of complaints are due to the stories being new and not the stories themselves.

Its what I like to call the "Not Nintendo" effect where if something was popular back in the 80s or 90s and is getting new material now, you can bet your ass fans of said thing are gonna tear the new material to shreds just cause its not the old material.

[sintzu]

Its what I like to call the "Not Nintendo" effect where if something was popular back in the 80s or 90s and is getting new material now, you can bet your ass fans of said thing are gonna tear the new material to shreds just cause its not the old material.

But why ? if something is good and it's what you've wanted why dislike it for being new ?

[ekrolo2]

Its what I like to call the "Not Nintendo" effect where if something was popular back in the 80s or 90s and is getting new material now, you can bet your ass fans of said thing are gonna tear the new material to shreds just cause its not the old material.

But why ? if something is good and it's what you've wanted why dislike it for being new ?

Usually its a case of holding up the old material on a mantle where its the greatest thing ever and nothing after it can compare, its not a widespread thought process to be sure, but it exists pretty much everywhere. Except Nintendo where all the "new" material is just constant remakes of the old with shinier tools.

[bubibartra]

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But he didn't have a minor role in Movies 6 & 12.

Goku being the main character doesn't mean other characters can't shine.

If Gohan who did 0 before defeating Cell can have a win then surely Vegeta can.

Vegeta isn't Goku's son, and he wasn't meant to take Goku's place.

Gohan is no substitute for goku more

No one except Vegeta to fight a similar level as Goku

Goku always winning alone the main battle would be too boring, too predictable and too GT
The argument suggests that Goku and Vegeta finally have to overcome their weaknesses to overcome together Freezer.
Vegeta reduce your stress and Goku not be so trusting,

No more fussions , no more SSJ1 SSJ2 SSJ3 SSJG SSSJG+ please,

[Cold Skin]

I really can't imagine Vegeta beating Freezer on his own, Goku + Vegeta would be more logical.

You don't get a Naruto movie where Naruto is knocked out and Sasuke leads the final battle and destroys the villain on his own, at most you get a team-up where they both defeat it.
You don't get a Devil May Cry where the final battle is led by Vergil while Dante is knocked out and Vergil wins on his own, at most you get a team-up for the big finale.

Goku and Vegeta keep being put on an equal ground in all ways for a reason: poster, training as the very intro of them in the movie, etc... You don't see Vegeta emphasized with Goku in the background with the others.
So I stand my ground: it will be Goku, then Vegeta, then Goku + Vegeta for the big finale. But Goku will certainly not be tossed aside while Vegeta does the rest on his own. I don't buy it.
The whole point is to replace "Goku is the hero" by "Goku and Vegeta are the heroes", not by "Vegeta is the hero", nor by "Goku is the hero sometimes, and Vegeta is the hero sometimes", nor by "Vegeta is the hero only when Goku can't be the hero".
That's what I think anyway, but we'll see.

[shinmaru]

So where exactly was Freeza being the youngest brother mentioned recently? As yesterday some people here talked about it.

He looks cool like that

[sintzu]

You don't get a Naruto movie where Naruto is knocked out and Sasuke leads the final battle and destroys the villain on his own, at most you get a team-up where they both defeat it.

DBZ isn't Naruto.

[Sandubadear]

You don't get a Naruto movie where Naruto is knocked out and Sasuke leads the final battle and destroys the villain on his own, at most you get a team-up where they both defeat it.
You don't get a Devil May Cry where the final battle is led by Vergil while Dante is knocked out and Vergil wins on his own, at most you get a team-up for the big finale.

Ooh, ooh, another example: Sonic and Shadow defeating Eggman in Sonic Adventure 2 as Super Saiyans.

[FortuneSSJ]

You don't get a Naruto movie where Naruto is knocked out and Sasuke leads the final battle and destroys the villain on his own, at most you get a team-up where they both defeat it.

You don't get a Naruto movie where Naruto/Sasuke lose in the end either, like BOG.
I like Dragon ball to be different and I can count on Toriyama to do that.

[baneofdemon22]

Maybe the four years is in Freeza "5 minute" time. Or hell has a room of spirit and time effect.

[Cold Skin]

You don't get a Naruto movie where Naruto is knocked out and Sasuke leads the final battle and destroys the villain on his own, at most you get a team-up where they both defeat it.

DBZ isn't Naruto.

Irrelevant. No matter what the work is, the point is still the same: you don't get the main hero tossed aside in the main story for the big finale, at most it ends up being a teamwork.
Buffy doesn't let other slayers lead the final war while she's recovering, she participates with everyone now being her equal.
A finale of Arrow won't be "Green Arrow is recovering, the big bad of the season will be taken out by Red Arrow doing all the work by himself".
A Batman live-action movie will never have a final battle where Batman has been tossed aside midway through the movie and Robin leads the final battle on his own and wins.

That is not what people want. People want their hero. Their hero + somebody else if you want, but their hero none the less, not someone stealing their spotlight.
I really can't see the main audience being satisfied with Vegeta doing all the job as Goku was discarded midway through the story. They would feel cheated.
On the other hand, a team-up for the big finale is always a big moment that gets the audience excited, no matter who deals the finishing blow.

So I wouldn't be against it, but I just can't imagine it happening given all that we know and all that we've seen.
If Vegeta was meant to be the hero instead of Goku, the audience would be prepared for it, starting with the poster clearly showing "warning, this is a film where Vegeta is the main hero instead of Goku".
I think he is meant to be the hero WITH Goku who will never stop being the hero, but will now share his spotlight.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

You don't get a Naruto movie where Naruto/Sasuke lose in the end either, like BOG.

But Goku didn't exactly lose in BoG. He lost the fight, but the Earth wasn't destroyed, and Goku & Beerus became friends.

To go with Cold Skin's example, Naruto losing in the end of a movie, but making the bad guy their ally is something that could easily happen. Not only in Naruto, but in every Shonen series. A similar thing happened in One Piece Film Z, for example.