Kaboom wrote:Which do you honestly, genuinely, zero-percent-bullcrap think that Toriyama would use to show little kids that a character was using Super Saiyan 2? Minuscule differences in the tufts of their hair, or big spiky lightning bolts in their aura?
Yes, I truly believe so. He did the same thing with base & Ultimate Gohan.
Do you sincerely, earnestly, from the bottom of your heart think that Toriyama would confuse the youngsters reading his work by just drawing Gohan differently from ALL other Super Saiyan 2s for no good reason, except for one time when he didn't?
For us adults to be confused on the subject, it seems Toriyama has screwed up for some reason, or he wanted to make Goku & Vegeta look stronger than the untrained Gohan. Assuming that Gohan is a Super Saiyan in the points where he doesn't have sparks, he drew SS Gohan differently than he was before, he has Gohan hold back against an opponent that is as strong as Cell, and hold back when a guy much more powerful is about to be revived, while at the same time he tries to surpass his limits...
Do you whole-heartedly, truthfully, deeply believe that Toriyama would have Goku give a demonstration of the two different Super Saiyan forms, but mislead the little children by not telling anyone that those are ONLY how the forms look for Goku, even though they look the same for everyone but Gohan except sometimes?
Again, what does Goku have to do with this?
I don't know how anyone else sees it, but Toriyama's artwork for the manga was always more consistent than his seat-of-his-pants story telling. You can trust the art.
Can we really trust the art?
We either have a SS Gohan with SS aura & SS2 hairstyle, or we have a SS2 Gohan with SS aura & SS2 hairstyle.
Pantalones wrote:Goku can raise and lower his SSj3 (and presumably SSj2) power at will, yeah... but Gohan's been out of practice for 7 years, while Goku's spent those years training harder than ever.
The only way Gohan should be able to raise and lower his power at will in SSj2 form is if SSj2 just inherently lets you do that without having to get used to the form first like what was required with regular Super Saiyan. By the time the Buu saga rolls around, Gohan probably hasn't gone SSj2 (heck, maybe not even regular SSj) even once since the Cell Games, so he wouldn't have been able to learn how to control his power better in that form the way Goku and Vegeta would.
Do you have any proof for all these?
miguelnuva1 wrote:It is a stated and confirmed fact Gohan only went SSJ1 to try and save Videl. Had this scene not took place the SSJ2 group would have a lot of ground to stand by but the scene cripples the hair argument.
Where was it confirmed?
Goku and Vegeta say nothing when Gohan goes SSJ1 and he does it instantly. When he goes SSJ2 Vegeta starts talking about how weak he has become
Vegeta comments on how pathetic Gohan is compared to how he was as a kid during the fight with Dabra as well.
it also takes Gohan longer to transform
It doesn't. Gohan hadn't decided if he will transform or not, but when he finally decides to do it, he transforms instantly.
Gohan's aura matches ever SSJ1 we have seen in the series. Gohan when he goes SSJ2 for Kibito has the same aura every SSJ2 used in the series.
I know. I believe Gohan's aura looks weaker sometimes because of his lack of training.
Gohan most likely use his rage for Videl being beaten and then his frustration for thinking he was going to be kicked out of school to go SSJ2. I don't know what it is other than bad writing but he was using SSJ1 post budokai.
Gohan doesn't need to be angry to transform into a Super Saiyan 2.
