The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Angelus]

Here's a quick one to see how everyone sees Pan:

28th WMAT Pan with Goku's Powerpole staff (and knows how to use the Kamehameha) VS Android 17 (both are bloodlusted)


former versus:
Anime Southern Supreme Kai VS SSJ3 Goku (in his Other World body)

Post-ROSAT SSJ Kid Goten VS Dabura (no spitting)

Cyborg Tao VS Vegeta (Saiyan Saga, weakened and crawling towards his space pod)

Eastern Supreme Kai (no paralysis/materialization magic) VS SSJ Bardock (Episode of Bardock) dressed up in Goku's bloodstained clothes, with a permanent "M" Majin tatoo on his forehead, makeup to darken the edges of his eyes, and professionally drawn on bulging veins all over his body, a voice-alteration necklace that makes him sound extra demonic, file-sharpened teeth, and his clothing will be made of fabric that creates visible static with every move

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Here's a quick one to see how everyone sees Pan:

28th WMAT Pan with Goku's Powerpole staff (and knows how to use the Kamehameha) VS Android 17 (both are bloodlusted)

Pan flicks #17 away.

[Lord Beerus]

Beerus vs. Chuck Norris

How 'bout that?

Beerus crushes Chuck Norris' skull.

Semi-Perfect Cell vs Yamhan
Perfect Cell vs Yamhan

- Semi-Perfect Cell finger flicks Yamha
- Perfect Cell coughs in Yamhan's vicinity, he disintegrates

Boo Saga Chi-Chi runs the gauntlet

As many of us know, Goten's teacher in fighting was not Gohan or Vegeta but Chi-Chi herself. Likely cuz of Goku's death and in honor of his memories, she took the initiative to train the boy. How much do you think she's improved since the last she fought? Her last officially recorded PL (Power Level) was 130.

1. Cymbal
2. Tambourine
3. BoZ Yamcha
4. Maxed out Muten Roshi
5. 22nd Budokai Tenshinhan
6. Drum
7. Cyborg Tao
8. Shen/Hero (possessed by Kami)
9. Piccolo Daimao (young)
10. 23rd Budokai Goku (this Goku would fare better than BoZ Goku since he wouldn't any particular qualms in upsetting or hurting Chi-Chi)
11. Saiyan Saga Chaozu (Kami's training)
12. Saiyan Saga Yajirobe (Kami's training)

How far does she go? Add in tougher opponents if you think she runs the entire gauntlet.

Chi Chi hits a brick wall at 22nd Budokai Tenshinhan.

CG Trunks vs CG Piccolo

Trunks wrecks Piccolo

Metal Cooler (hax) vs. warming up suppression Perfect Cell

Metal Cooler. Purely because his regeneration is far more hax.

Anime Southern Supreme Kai VS SSJ3 Goku (in his Other World body)

Post-ROSAT SSJ Goten VS Dabura (no spitting)

Recoome VS Dore (no Ki attacks, flying, or armor for both)

Cyborg Tao VS Vegeta (Saiyan Saga, weakened and crawling towards his space pod)

Eastern Supreme Kai (no paralysis/materialization magic) VS SSJ Bardock (Episode of Bardock) dressed up in Goku's bloodstained clothes, with a permanent "M" Majin tatoo on his forehead, makeup to darken the edges of his eyes, and professionally drawn on bulging veins all over his body, a voice-alteration necklace that makes him sound extra demonic, file-sharpened teeth, and his clothing will be made of fabric that creates visible static with every move

- SSJ3 Goku stomps
- Dabura wins with effort
- Recoome takes this but barely
- Vegeta wrecks Cyborg Tao
- Eastern Supreme Kai makes SSJ Bardock his bitch

Here's a quick one to see how everyone sees Pan:

28th WMAT Pan with Goku's Powerpole staff (and knows how to use the Kamehameha) VS Android 17 (both are bloodlusted)

#17 one shots Pan

[Sandubadear]

Metal Cooler (hax) vs. warming up suppression Perfect Cell

Eh, Meta Cooler was killed by the team up of pre-Android saga SSJ Goku and Vegeta.

Cell in his Imperfect form wins.


Unlocked Potential Tien vs. Unlocked Potential Krillin

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Metal Cooler (hax) vs. warming up suppression Perfect Cell

Eh, Meta Cooler was killed by the team up of pre-Android saga SSJ Goku and Vegeta.

Cell in his Imperfect form wins.


Unlocked Potential Tenshinhan vs. Unlocked Potential Krillin

Haxed Metal Cooler, as in following the Movie 5 hax where Base Goku (M5) = SS Goku (Namek), and Metal Cooler is even stronger than his Super Saiyan form. (So pretty much > 50x SS Namek Goku)

Krillin wins.

[Sandubadear]

Metal Cooler (hax) vs. warming up suppression Perfect Cell

Eh, Meta Cooler was killed by the team up of pre-Android saga SSJ Goku and Vegeta.

Cell in his Imperfect form wins.


Unlocked Potential Tenshinhan vs. Unlocked Potential Krillin

Haxed Metal Cooler, as in following the Movie 5 hax where Base Goku (M5) = SS Goku (Namek), and Metal Cooler is even stronger than his Super Saiyan form. (So pretty much > 50x SS Namek Goku)

Krillin wins.

You mean Metal Cooler after absorbing all of Goku and Vegeta's energies? It would still lose to Super Saiyan Imperfect Cell (Cell with yellow aura after absorbing several cities)

I think Tien would be stronger because he is part alien.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

No, I mean a Metal Cooler who's stronger than SS Goku (Movie 6), who's stronger than SS Goku (Movie 5), who's 50x stronger than SS Goku (Namek).

How is Tenshinhan part alien? Nothing in the manga suggests that.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

How is Tenshinhan part alien? Nothing in the manga suggests that.

According to the Daizenshuu, Tenshinhan is an Earthling, but he is a descendant of the Three-Eyed alien race, which is why he has 3 eyes, can grow 2 extra arms from his back, and can split into 4 bodies.

[Sandubadear]

No, I mean a Metal Cooler who's stronger than SS Goku (Movie 6), who's stronger than SS Goku (Movie 5), who's 50x stronger than SS Goku (Namek).

How is Tenshinhan part alien? Nothing in the manga suggests that.

Even then, SSJ Goku (movie 6) is a weakling compared to his Android saga self.

Isn't the Three-Eyed Clan a group of aliens?

According to the Daizenshuu, Tenshinhan is an Earthling, but he is a descendant of the Three-Eyed alien race, which is why he has 3 eyes, can grow 2 extra arms from his back, and can split into 4 bodies.

Krillin can divide into 3 and doesn't have a nose, so according to My Butthole, he is descendant of the No Nose alien race.

Unlocked Potential Yajirobe vs. Cooler's Armored Squadron

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Even then, SSJ Goku (movie 6) is a weakling compared to his Android saga self.

Isn't the Three-Eyed Clan a group of aliens?

You think Android saga Goku is over 50x stronger than Namek Goku?

Movie 6 Base Goku > Movie 5 Base Goku = SS Namek Goku

So Movie 6 Base Goku > SS Namek Goku

If you really have Android saga Goku 50x Namek Goku, you'd reaa~~~lly have to stretch Future #17's "less than half" line.

I know the guidebooks say it, but I'm curious where they actually got it from. Nothing in the manga hints at that.

[Angelus]

Unlocked Potential Tenshinhan vs. Unlocked Potential Krillin

Tien. Tien always had the lead in power among the humans. Krillin's unlock from Guru bridged that gap and is arguably now more powerful than Tien. But if both got unlocked, on the same time, either by Guru or Elder Kai, there's no doubt in my mind that Tien will take the significant lead. Krillin's only chance here is to get super lucky and pull of a solar flare + Kienzan combo. If not, he could get Tribeam barraged just like Imperfect Cell did.

[Lord Beerus]

Unlocked Potential Tenshinhan vs. Unlocked Potential Krillin

Krillin takes this.

[ZazamPow]

I think the fact that there's an argument to be made for regular Tien beating Krillin should prove that if he had his potential unlocked as Krillin did, he would win.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

There is no argument made for Tenshinhan being able to beat Krillin, unless you mean with his Kikoho and not actual raw battle power?

[ZazamPow]

There is no argument made for Tenshinhan being able to beat Krillin, unless you mean with his Kikoho and not actual raw battle power?

No argument to be made at all? The countless battle threads across the internet that span for multiple pages disagree with you. It's at least a close battle so if Tien also had his potential unlocked, the gap will be like it used to.

[ZazamPow]

Here's an interesting scenario I found on Comic Vine, curious to see what Kanzenshuu has to say about it.

Goku believes it would be good for Goten to go through the same training as he and Krillin had when they were young, so he sends Goten to Roshi's house to learn the ways of the turtle hermit. After a bit of training, Roshi and Goten take a break by and make a food run in the city. Master Roshi, the old school perv was walking down the street, hitting on women while Goten listens to his headphones, paying no attention to Roshi. To his surprise he found a very attractive middle aged women who was interested in him. While giving out her phone number and allowing master roshi to look up her skirt ( that slut ), Goten interrupts and causes the lady to think Roshi is married and Goten is his son. Not interested anymore, the lady walks away with Roshi in tow holding her leg.

Roshi is incredibly angry, so angry that the earth-god endows roshi with a small portion of its power, just like Goku and his Saiyan god enhancement. Roshi's power level is now identical to Gotens as a Super Saiyan. Roshi sucker punches Goten in the face without remorse, tired of everyone pee pee blocking him with every women he gets close to.

Goten powers up and the two fly away to a safe location to battle. Fight to the first knockout, Roshi is bloodlusted. Goten just wants to get this over with and go to the park later with Trunks. Can Goten beat Roshi if their powers are equal?

My argument was that in terms of skill Roshi has more feats, but the whole idea of the 22nd Budokai was that the second generation is surpassing Roshi. Goten is a part of the third generation, so his Saiyan instincts alone should stomp. He was able to push Gohan back and spar completely evenly with him at high speeds, and regularly fights on par with Trunks, who has his own feats. Goten also mastered the Fusion Dance in a very short time, much faster than Goku predicted he would, despite Fusion being an extremely advanced technique. Honestly in-universe Goten should kick his ass. The kid barely has any training yet he's keeping up with everybody.

[AvatarReiko]

SSJ Goten vs Future SSJ Gohan

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

There is no argument made for Tenshinhan being able to beat Krillin, unless you mean with his Kikoho and not actual raw battle power?

No argument to be made at all? The countless battle threads across the internet that span for multiple pages disagree with you. It's at least a close battle so if Tenshinhan also had his potential unlocked, the gap will be like it used to.

The author, all promotional material, and Yamcha say Krillin is the strongest Earthling male. The only rebuttal people ever have is

"Derp, Tien is an alien. No one was ever referring to him. Tien > Krillin."

or

"Android #17 is an "earthling" also, so that automatically means any statement pertaining to "strongest earthling" automatically doesn't include Tien because I say so!! Tien can one-shot that bald idiot lmao."

SSJ Goten vs Future SSJ Gohan

What the-? Goten slays. Heck, he could stomp Gohan even in base, in my opinion.

[Sandubadear]

Here's an interesting scenario I found on Comic Vine, curious to see what Kanzenshuu has to say about it.

Goku believes it would be good for Goten to go through the same training as he and Krillin had when they were young, so he sends Goten to Roshi's house to learn the ways of the turtle hermit. After a bit of training, Roshi and Goten take a break by and make a food run in the city. Master Roshi, the old school perv was walking down the street, hitting on women while Goten listens to his headphones, paying no attention to Roshi. To his surprise he found a very attractive middle aged women who was interested in him. While giving out her phone number and allowing master roshi to look up her skirt ( that slut ), Goten interrupts and causes the lady to think Roshi is married and Goten is his son. Not interested anymore, the lady walks away with Roshi in tow holding her leg.

Roshi is incredibly angry, so angry that the earth-god endows roshi with a small portion of its power, just like Goku and his Saiyan god enhancement. Roshi's power level is now identical to Gotens as a Super Saiyan. Roshi sucker punches Goten in the face without remorse, tired of everyone pee pee blocking him with every women he gets close to.

Goten powers up and the two fly away to a safe location to battle. Fight to the first knockout, Roshi is bloodlusted. Goten just wants to get this over with and go to the park later with Trunks. Can Goten beat Roshi if their powers are equal?

My argument was that in terms of skill Roshi has more feats, but the whole idea of the 22nd Budokai was that the second generation is surpassing Roshi. Goten is a part of the third generation, so his Saiyan instincts alone should stomp. He was able to push Gohan back and spar completely evenly with him at high speeds, and regularly fights on par with Trunks, who has his own feats. Goten also mastered the Fusion Dance in a very short time, much faster than Goku predicted he would, despite Fusion being an extremely advanced technique. Honestly in-universe Goten should kick his ass. The kid barely has any training yet he's keeping up with everybody.

If their powers are equal, Master Roshi wins due to experience.

Just like when he fought Goku at the 21st Tournament.

[Angelus]

Here's an interesting scenario I found on Comic Vine, curious to see what Kanzenshuu has to say about it.

Goku believes it would be good for Goten to go through the same training as he and Krillin had when they were young, so he sends Goten to Roshi's house to learn the ways of the turtle hermit. After a bit of training, Roshi and Goten take a break by and make a food run in the city. Master Roshi, the old school perv was walking down the street, hitting on women while Goten listens to his headphones, paying no attention to Roshi. To his surprise he found a very attractive middle aged women who was interested in him. While giving out her phone number and allowing master roshi to look up her skirt ( that slut ), Goten interrupts and causes the lady to think Roshi is married and Goten is his son. Not interested anymore, the lady walks away with Roshi in tow holding her leg.

Roshi is incredibly angry, so angry that the earth-god endows roshi with a small portion of its power, just like Goku and his Saiyan god enhancement. Roshi's power level is now identical to Gotens as a Super Saiyan. Roshi sucker punches Goten in the face without remorse, tired of everyone pee pee blocking him with every women he gets close to.

Goten powers up and the two fly away to a safe location to battle. Fight to the first knockout, Roshi is bloodlusted. Goten just wants to get this over with and go to the park later with Trunks. Can Goten beat Roshi if their powers are equal?

My argument was that in terms of skill Roshi has more feats, but the whole idea of the 22nd Budokai was that the second generation is surpassing Roshi. Goten is a part of the third generation, so his Saiyan instincts alone should stomp. He was able to push Gohan back and spar completely evenly with him at high speeds, and regularly fights on par with Trunks, who has his own feats. Goten also mastered the Fusion Dance in a very short time, much faster than Goku predicted he would, despite Fusion being an extremely advanced technique. Honestly in-universe Goten should kick his ass. The kid barely has any training yet he's keeping up with everybody.

Just a heads up, what he posted is:

SSJ Goten (Post-ROSAT) VS Roshi (bloodlusted)-- Equal power levels, first to get KO'd loses

I say Goten wins because he's so much more of a Ki blast spammer than Roshi is. Roshi doesn't even have regular Ki blasts, just Kamehamehas of different calibers. Also, even if it's just hand-to-hand, Goten would have already learned a lot of techniques from sparring with his mom, Gohan, and Trunks.

SSJ Goten vs Future SSJ Gohan

Whether it's one-armed or two armed Future Gohan, or post-ROSAT/pre-Gohan training/25th WMAT version of SSJ Goten... Goten wins. However, if it's pre-Gohan training Goten, then Goten will have an extremely difficult time winning because SSJ Future Gohan can fly.