Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[ekrolo2]

Vegeta never gave a crap about his people, or planet. He did care that he couldn't be ruler though, and that's nothing I sympathize with as if he were ruler, he'd just be another Freeza anyways. We also have no evidence of Freeza being cruel to Vegeta himself beyond not letting him be ruler in childhood. If Vegeta never rebelled, he probably wouldn't have been killed or brutalized. Vegeta's blog seems to say he doesn't care, and Freeza as a character has no interest in Vegeta either. Kinda like Vegeta's one sided rivalry with Goku.

Didn't he care though? He was pretty clear about it when he poured his heart out to Goku while he was dying. He told Goku he didn't care about Bulma or Trunks either then he nuked himself to save them.

[dbzfan7]

Vegeta never gave a crap about his people, or planet. He did care that he couldn't be ruler though, and that's nothing I sympathize with as if he were ruler, he'd just be another Freeza anyways. We also have no evidence of Freeza being cruel to Vegeta himself beyond not letting him be ruler in childhood. If Vegeta never rebelled, he probably wouldn't have been killed or brutalized. Vegeta's blog seems to say he doesn't care, and Freeza as a character has no interest in Vegeta either. Kinda like Vegeta's one sided rivalry with Goku.

Didn't he care though? He was pretty clear about it when he poured his heart out to Goku while he was dying. He told Goku he didn't care about Bulma or Trunks either then he nuked himself to save them.

I'm talking about the saiyans. He doesn't give a shit about them. He only was mad he was used by Freeza. Even Goku himself states Vegeta isn't mad about his people dying, but because Freeza used him, and he had the pride of a saiyan. Later on he cares for Bulma and Trunks, but he has no care about his own species. You can view Vegeta's talk with Dodoria and Goku in full to get this.

People like to harp about avenging the Saiyans, but Vegeta himself couldn't care less about them. His rivalry with Freeza just like with Goku is so one sided. Freeza and Goku both do not care about Vegeta's issues with them. Goku is more than happy to have someone to fight with, not caring if Vegeta were stronger or not. Freeza himself does not give a shit about Vegeta and just wants Trunks and Goku.

[ShadowWolf87]

Vegeta never gave a crap about his people, or planet. He did care that he couldn't be ruler though, and that's nothing I sympathize with as if he were ruler, he'd just be another Freeza anyways. We also have no evidence of Freeza being cruel to Vegeta himself beyond not letting him be ruler in childhood. If Vegeta never rebelled, he probably wouldn't have been killed or brutalized. Vegeta's blog seems to say he doesn't care, and Freeza as a character has no interest in Vegeta either. Kinda like Vegeta's one sided rivalry with Goku.

Didn't he care though? He was pretty clear about it when he poured his heart out to Goku while he was dying. He told Goku he didn't care about Bulma or Trunks either then he nuked himself to save them.

I'm talking about the saiyans. He doesn't give a shit about them. He only was mad he was used by Freeza. Even Goku himself states Vegeta isn't mad about his people dying, but because Freeza used him, and he had the pride of a saiyan. Later on he cares for Bulma and Trunks, but he has no care about his own species. You can view Vegeta's talk with Dodoria and Goku in full to get this.

People like to harp about avenging the Saiyans, but Vegeta himself couldn't care less about them. His rivalry with Freeza just like with Goku is so one sided. Freeza and Goku both do not care about Vegeta's issues with them. Goku is more than happy to have someone to fight with, not caring if Vegeta were stronger or not. Freeza himself does not give a shit about Vegeta and just wants Trunks and Goku.

Plus the Saiyan race kinda already was avenged. Goku took that burden on himself when he faced Freeza.

[ShadowWolf87]

Sabat's expectations for the new DBZ Movie regarding Vegeta:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvgSdS_8RF8&t=707

At 13:25 Sabat completely sums up my thoughts on Vegeta. To the people who say Vegeta shouldn't be the hero for once, listen

Well I can tell you he's fundamentally wrong on both Vegeta somehow being the "most tragic character" and in terms of Goku never having anything bad happen to him.

So there's that.

[GoldLiger]

Blue Mystic Vegeta. That is all.

[DarkPrince_92]

Blue Mystic Vegeta. That is all.

...dafuq are you talking about?

[Dyno]

Blue Mystic Vegeta. That is all.

That is all what? What do you mean?

[ZazamPow]

Sabat's expectations for the new DBZ Movie regarding Vegeta:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvgSdS_8RF8&t=707

At 13:25 Sabat completely sums up my thoughts on Vegeta. To the people who say Vegeta shouldn't be the hero for once, listen

Well I can tell you he's fundamentally wrong on both Vegeta somehow being the "most tragic character" and in terms of Goku never having anything bad happen to him.

So there's that.

Why is that wrong? Evil or not, Vegeta had a pretty shitty life, you can't deny that. And nothing bad really does happen to Goku, he's always alright.

[ShadowWolf87]

Why is that wrong? Evil or not, Vegeta had a pretty shitty life, you can't deny that. And nothing bad really does happen to Goku, he's always alright.

Incorrect. Goku's had some pretty crappy stuff happen to him as well. It just doesn't seem as bad due to Goku's positive outlook on life; he's an eternal optimist.

And Vegeta's life may not have been ideal to him, but I'd say that there are others that have had a life on the same level of crap. Far from "most tragic"

[Attitudefan]

An awesome swerve would be if Freeza won the battle and some time trickey or something somehow changed this outcome...

[bleed0range]

Vegeta never gave a crap about his people, or planet. He did care that he couldn't be ruler though, and that's nothing I sympathize with as if he were ruler, he'd just be another Freeza anyways. We also have no evidence of Freeza being cruel to Vegeta himself beyond not letting him be ruler in childhood. If Vegeta never rebelled, he probably wouldn't have been killed or brutalized. Vegeta's blog seems to say he doesn't care, and Freeza as a character has no interest in Vegeta either. Kinda like Vegeta's one sided rivalry with Goku.

Didn't he care though? He was pretty clear about it when he poured his heart out to Goku while he was dying. He told Goku he didn't care about Bulma or Trunks either then he nuked himself to save them.

I'm talking about the saiyans. He doesn't give a shit about them. He only was mad he was used by Freeza. Even Goku himself states Vegeta isn't mad about his people dying, but because Freeza used him, and he had the pride of a saiyan. Later on he cares for Bulma and Trunks, but he has no care about his own species. You can view Vegeta's talk with Dodoria and Goku in full to get this.

People like to harp about avenging the Saiyans, but Vegeta himself couldn't care less about them. His rivalry with Freeza just like with Goku is so one sided. Freeza and Goku both do not care about Vegeta's issues with them. Goku is more than happy to have someone to fight with, not caring if Vegeta were stronger or not. Freeza himself does not give a shit about Vegeta and just wants Trunks and Goku.

I just realized that Freeza doesn't know Vegeta is alive. He killed Vegeta on Namek and then was defeated by Goku. When he arrived on Earth before, he never saw Vegeta... Only Trunks... The other guys were hiding and watching from afar. Should be fun to see his reaction to Vegeta being alive AND a good guy.

[ZazamPow]

Why is that wrong? Evil or not, Vegeta had a pretty shitty life, you can't deny that. And nothing bad really does happen to Goku, he's always alright.

Incorrect. Goku's had some pretty crappy stuff happen to him as well. It just doesn't seem as bad due to Goku's positive outlook on life; he's an eternal optimist.

And Vegeta's life may not have been ideal to him, but I'd say that there are others that have had a life on the same level of crap. Far from "most tragic"

Who's life was more tragic than Vegeta's? I'd say Future Trunks is really the only character comparable, I can't think of many other characters in Dragon Ball with tragic backstories.

Saying that nothing bad ever happens to Goku is kind of an exaggeration, but I understand what he was getting at.

[ZazamPow]

I just realized that Freeza doesn't know Vegeta is alive. He killed Vegeta on Namek and then was defeated by Goku. When he arrived on Earth before, he never saw Vegeta... Only Trunks... The other guys were hiding and watching from afar. Should be fun to see his reaction to Vegeta being alive AND a good guy.

AND a Super Saiyan.

Was the scene where Vegeta zooms up to Goku and Freeza's battle on Namek filler? Right after reviving, he approaches them and attempts to throw a ki blast at Freeza, but gets teleported away by the wish. It it is, than you're right, Freeza doesn't know Vegeta is alive.

[fadeddreams5]

You would think Vegeta had a really tragic life that simply was not explored, but in Minus... he seems pretty alright as a child. Never really cared much about his people or planet, really. I mean, he had no problems disposing Nappa. His only tragedy seems to be his insecurity and power greed issues throughout the series. Whereas Frieza could rightfully say he's the most powerful being in the universe, Vegeta said the same so many times when he knew that was far from the case....>_>;;;

On a side note, let's talk about the poop Whis stepped on. There doesn't seem to be any animal life on that planet. Even if there's birds there, that stool did not have the density of bird feces. This brings me to one conclusion: Whis stepped on Beerus' ****.

[Chuquita]

I just realized that Freeza doesn't know Vegeta is alive. He killed Vegeta on Namek and then was defeated by Goku. When he arrived on Earth before, he never saw Vegeta... Only Trunks... The other guys were hiding and watching from afar. Should be fun to see his reaction to Vegeta being alive AND a good guy.

OH. Oh wow he doesn't know Vegeta's alive, and he can't sense ki, so it's not like he'd recognize Vegeta's energy.
*Grin*

That is gonna be good.

[Lord Beerus]

An awesome swerve would be if Freeza won the battle and some time trickey or something somehow changed this outcome...

So you think Whis may play the role of antagonist in the near future?

[Sandubadear]

You would think Vegeta had a really tragic life that simply was not explored, but in Minus... he seems pretty alright as a child. Never really cared much about his people or planet, really. I mean, he had no problems disposing Nappa. His only tragedy seems to be his insecurity issues throughout the series. Whereas Freeza could rightfully say he's the most powerful being in the universe, Vegeta said the same so many times when he knew that was far from the case....>_>;;;

On a side note, let's talk about the poop Whis stepped on. There doesn't seem to be any animal life on that planet. Even if there's birds there, that stool did not have the density of bird feces. This brings me to one conclusion: Whis stepped on Beerus' ****.

Beerus craps in a litter box. It's not his.

[Dyno]

And still I bet when Freeza and Vegeta meet each other, it will be a "generic" encounter, like "Hohoho, Vegeta-san, long time no see. I have been training for four months and now I surpass even your strongest form. What about you?". Don't think they will pay any attention to the fact Freeza doesn't know Vegeta is alive, but I truly hope I'm wrong.

[bleed0range]

Why is that wrong? Evil or not, Vegeta had a pretty shitty life, you can't deny that. And nothing bad really does happen to Goku, he's always alright.

Incorrect. Goku's had some pretty crappy stuff happen to him as well. It just doesn't seem as bad due to Goku's positive outlook on life; he's an eternal optimist.

And Vegeta's life may not have been ideal to him, but I'd say that there are others that have had a life on the same level of crap. Far from "most tragic"

Who's life was more tragic than Vegeta's? I'd say Future Trunks is really the only character comparable, I can't think of many other characters in Dragon Ball with tragic backstories.

Saying that nothing bad ever happens to Goku is kind of an exaggeration, but I understand what he was getting at.

I would say Vegeta has the most tragic life simply because he lost his entire planet, his entire race... Was forced into servitude (whether or not he was mistreated much, it's the concept of being forced into it that is horrible)... But through it all what's most tragic is that he is uncomfortable with who he is and can never open up or reveal his feelings to anyone and he bottles it up behind a tough and rough exterior. But the absolute most tragic thing is that after half his lifetime he finally understands or is understanding how to be a good person and be happy with a family, yet he is still doomed to go to Hell and never see them again when he dies for all the mass murdering he did in his younger years.

There will be no ultimate redemption for him in the end and he will forever be separated from all he now loves or cares for.
Even if he wins, he loses.

[dbzfan7]

I'm talking about the saiyans. He doesn't give a shit about them. He only was mad he was used by Freeza. Even Goku himself states Vegeta isn't mad about his people dying, but because Freeza used him, and he had the pride of a saiyan. Later on he cares for Bulma and Trunks, but he has no care about his own species. You can view Vegeta's talk with Dodoria and Goku in full to get this.

People like to harp about avenging the Saiyans, but Vegeta himself couldn't care less about them. His rivalry with Freeza just like with Goku is so one sided. Freeza and Goku both do not care about Vegeta's issues with them. Goku is more than happy to have someone to fight with, not caring if Vegeta were stronger or not. Freeza himself does not give a shit about Vegeta and just wants Trunks and Goku.

I just realized that Freeza doesn't know Vegeta is alive. He killed Vegeta on Namek and then was defeated by Goku. When he arrived on Earth before, he never saw Vegeta... Only Trunks... The other guys were hiding and watching from afar. Should be fun to see his reaction to Vegeta being alive AND a good guy.

Goku told Freeza they revived everyone he killed with the dragon balls on earth, then with the namek balls wished them to earth. So he should know that would include Vegeta. If not his comment wouldn't really be that impressed. He'd be maybe a little surprised, but uncaring. Even during their fight he didn't seem to care that much about Vegeta. After namek he only cared about Goku. After dying he seemed to only care about Goku in all media. Here he seems to only care about Goku and Trunks.

Speaking of tradegy...Vegeta is the kind of guy who would have blew up his own planet if it meant he'd be granted immortality. He'd kill his father no problem too. Vegeta's only tragedy is being used...that's it. Future Trunks was someone who never had a good life until he finally fixed it. Vegeta always had a good life, but was just angry about being under someone's servitude. He was never mistreated really. Vegeta just believed he deserved more. Later on his tragedy was when he tried to do good, he was still going to hell. However I consider that justice as he rightfully deserves that, so I don't feel bad. Besides he was sacrificing himself for his family more than the earth and it's people.