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Re: How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:57 pm

KaiserNeko wrote: Lastly: Should have recast King Kai, but I get why they didn't. I get it: A lot of fans of his dub voice think he's funny. But that voice ruined some scenes in the Freeza saga of Kai for me; the tension is high and the drama is at a fever pitch, and then suddenly the sounds of Sean Schemmel (an actor who, by the way, who's talents I very much respect; so this next part is in no way a shot at him) blathering out with what sounds like an entire bag of erasers in his mouth made me want to just stand up and walk away. This is another example of missing the point with a character: He's not supposed to just be comic relief. He's a mentor character with plenty of jokes behind him. While Mike McFarland managed (in DragonBall at least) to bring his Roshi down to Earth in the heavier moments, you cannot do that with a voice like Sean's King Kai.
Agreed. I always thought Sean's king kai sounded weird to me the way he had that burbling, piggish sound to his character. Granted it was an immitation of the Ocean's weird version but its hard to take the character seriously as a grand legendary teacher if hes always a goof. I also thought Sean's King Kai was too high-pitched as well in comparison. Though in simple comparison I prefer Don Brown's pitch and tone more so. That at least sounds more faithful.
KaiserNeko wrote: I take similar issues with Stephanie Nadolny. While I can still enjoy her Goku for the most part, her Gohan was nigh-impossible to take seriously at any point. A soft-spoken, shy child with this raspy, garbly voice? Fact is, I'm okay with voices sounded different from their Japanese counterparts to a certain extent. But they need to be true to the original character, and Nadolny has never even once made me feel that way with Gohan. Goku, on the other hand, she has a much better time with, partially because she plays him much different and drops a lot of the rasp. Also, Son Goku as a child isn't shy, polite, reserved like Gohan; as such, Nadolny's voice is able to play to Goku's strengths much easier.
Thats the thing I noticed as well, Stephanie knows how to capture the SSJ2 side of Gohan much better than any other variation because she knows how to do that aggressive, brutish, stoic, sadistic type character he became. And for the most part her yells were stronger and consistent in pitch throughout each shout (something Coleen was painfully poor at with her very forced and shrill screams) thus why Stephanie was much better in my take as GT Kid Goku if not the perfect fit because GT Goku is supposed to be rougher and more angry when fighting Bebi. Its just that she never ever seemed able to make herself sound shy and mouse-like as Gohan was before the ROST training arc. She never made gohan reserved and polite when he neded to most at base form. Thats where Coleen picked up the slack in a complete reverse. She does the shiness and innocence fine but cant at all sound intimidating when angry. My only gripe with Colleen was that she sounded too feminine in her undertone at times.
KaiserNeko wrote:I like Colleen Clinkenbeard better as Android 18. Meredith McCoy's performance wasn't subtle, it was wooden and poor. She grew as an actress over time, but Android was never supposed to sound so old or so monotone. As we see, while the characters are cool and collected, they're still very much human; young humans at that. Colleen's interpretation is much closer and much better acted. This also is due to the fact that Colleen Clinkenbeard is one of the best in the industry right now.
That I know is Funimation's fault, her and #17 were directed to sound more like the stereotypical western robot type stoic computer voices rather than naive human teenagers. Though I never found McCoy very good for #18 as she suffered the same ironic problem as Stephanie. Where she sounds too butch for the character who is supposed to be sharp, yet dainty while steadfast and adamanted.
gohann wrote:Chris Ayres is a good actor, but I find Linda Young nails certain aspects of his personality better, especially his arrogance. She didn't even sound that much like an old lady -- you can tell an old lady is voicing Freeza, but it doesn't define her performance. She didn't get the "fancy" side of him down like her predecessor (Pauline Newstone) did, but she did manage to put on a creepy, gender-neutral voice for the character. For the reasons I listed and more, she sounds threatening. I do agree that a good script would have helped.
The problem there is that Freeza was miscast completely from the Ocean's version which Linda was trying to be. Which they thought he was a female character entirely rather than a male character with an articulated speaker, with an effeminite yet stern personality. What I would have used to compare that idea closer to would have been Steve Blum's Oorochimaru which I think is the better example of what an effeminite, deceptive man should sound like, just without the whispery hiss.
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Re: How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion

Post by ABED » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:42 pm

Where she sounds too butch for the character who is supposed to be sharp, yet dainty while steadfast and adamanted.
I never got dainty from 18 in any incarnation. McCoy's voice was deep, sexy, and unique. She just needed a director that understood the character.
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Re: How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion

Post by Dbzfan94 » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:14 pm

Back onto King Kai, I honestly think the voice itself was better back in the old days when it was much less nasally/throaty if that makes sense.

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Re: How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion

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Dbzfan94 wrote:Back onto King Kai, I honestly think the voice itself was better back in the old days when it was much less nasally/throaty if that makes sense.
When Don Brown was the actor or are you referring to just Schemmel?
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Re: How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion

Post by Attitudefan » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:09 pm

Schemmel over the years has gotten more outrageous with King Kai than before.
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Re: How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:39 am

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Where she sounds too butch for the character who is supposed to be sharp, yet dainty while steadfast and adamanted.
I never got dainty from 18 in any incarnation. McCoy's voice was deep, sexy, and unique. She just needed a director that understood the character.
Well that is a very lose word, maybe the wrong word if we were being literal to specifics, I just meant in comparison to McCoy's #18. I won't argue that that McCoy sounded rightfully tough, assertive and steadfast in the character. Maybe its her monotone delivery and low speaking threw me off. MCcoy to me just sounds more like a bar-suited, Hard-Rock Biker chick for me. Granted #18 looks like that, but is that by itself accurate?

Though My favourite recasting was definitely Monica Rial. I feel like she just does Bulma so much better, she handles that Snappy, grouchiness and Sarcastic yet positivene assertiveness in the character more so than what Tiffany did. I felt Tiffany gave Bulma too much of a Valley-mom type feel which I didn't like, and I really didn't like her as Kid Bulma. Total miscast.
Dbzfan94 wrote:Back onto King Kai, I honestly think the voice itself was better back in the old days when it was much less nasally/throaty if that makes sense.
I personally think Vegeta's voice was best done in the Buu saga where it sounded clear, not throaty (like the remastered version) and a bit angier, the way he sounded in early kai still seems to perfectly retain that. His BoG voice sounded off for me and inconsistent. At times he sounded really nasally and stiff, (Base form) and other moments he sounded really shouty and overexaggerated when he sang the Bingo song. Then he sounded really whiny (Vs Beerus). Maybe Chris was trying too hard to make it better in his mind than it needed to be.

I've gotten used to Beerus' voice since first reaction though. It grew on me, but I kind of wished he sounded less "old" and breathy when he spoke. I felt they were trying to make him seem like he was an old-man in a cats body at times, but its an off and on peeve.
Attitudefan wrote:Schemmel over the years has gotten more outrageous with King Kai than before.
Well at least, his "Happy Goku" is getting a little bit more pronounced and slowly sounding less forced, but he just never had that child-like naivety in his delievery the way Ian Corrlet occasionally did. If his voice was a few pitches higher, to Seans level I think he would have been the better Goku.
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Re: How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion

Post by Singh is King » Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:13 pm

Frieza: Absolutely an improvement and much better in every way imaginable: Linda Young was one of the worst of the Z cast (no offense to her, as she was fantastic as Genkai in Yu-Yu Hakusho) and gave Frieza this tranny granny voice that just did not fit the character. Chris Ayres gives him this elegant, powerful, smug voice that fits Frieza to a tee.

Gohan: Colleen is definitely better here as she sounds more age appropriate, but Stephanie is not nearly as bad as many fans are making her out to be, at least not in the Remastered dub: Stephanie removed a lot of the throaty rasp she had before as Kid Gohan and I'm surprised no one noticed that.

Bulma: Hmm...I'm actually leaning towards Tiffany Vollmer now: Monica Rial started off better but lately her performance has been pretty aggressive sounding and obnoxious- hopefully, in FUNi Buu Kai, I'll see improvement.

Oolong: Bradford Jackson was better, so I'm glad he reprised the role in BoG.

18: See Oolong, but with Meredith McCoy.

Jeice: Didn't like it: glad Sabat reprised him in Xenoverse.

Burter: Definitely better: sounds more snake like and reptilian.

Ginyu: Worse, but still decent and perfectly listenable.

Guldo: Much worse- Klassen and Townsley were better.

Farmer: Don't care.

Zarbon: Much better: Chris reminded me of Prince Charming from Shrek singing "I'm too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my shirt" if anyone knows what I'm talking about.

Dodoria: Worse: he has this Southern drawl with Swasey and it sounds...weird.
Attitudefan wrote:Schemmel over the years has gotten more outrageous with King Kai than before.
I have to agree: I am really annoyed by it now. This and Sabat's Recoome are worse than ANY of the FUNi Z voices people didn't like-- these two, if anyone, were in need of a dire recast, IMHO.

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Re: How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion

Post by Attitudefan » Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:42 pm

I agree with your list Singh!

As like the old Ash voice vs the deeper, raspier new one, Henderson as Gohan was the perfect pitch, spoke a certain way to sound like a child (like slightly slurring words like a kid might when they get excited), and didn't have a noticeable rasp. Watch the opening of the Dead Zone and hear her as Gohan, it sounds like a real child.

Nadolney was way too deep and raspy.

Clinkenbeard, while her pitch is much better than Nadolney's, her tone sounds too old and lady-like.
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Re: How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion

Post by Singh is King » Sun Mar 22, 2015 10:58 pm

Attitudefan wrote:I agree with your list Singh!

As like the old Ash voice vs the deeper, raspier new one, Henderson as Gohan was the perfect pitch, spoke a certain way to sound like a child (like slightly slurring words like a kid might when they get excited), and didn't have a noticeable rasp. Watch the opening of the Dead Zone and hear her as Gohan, it sounds like a real child.

Nadolney was way too deep and raspy.

Clinkenbeard, while her pitch is much better than Nadolney's, her tone sounds too old and lady-like.
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You're actually spot on about Henderson Gohan, IMO: I forgot about her, but I really liked her take as well- not sure why people don't bring it up?

Nadolny was like that, but I thought she got better in Remastered: it's probably just me, though.

You do have a point on the feminine part with Clinkenbeard: I'm not going to deny that, but I think she acts the part pretty well.

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Singh is King wrote: You do have a point on the feminine part with Clinkenbeard: I'm not going to deny that, but I think she acts the part pretty well.
Wasn't Gohan pre-pubesent prior to the Buu Saga?
Monica Rial started off better but lately her performance has been pretty aggressive sounding and obnoxious- hopefully, in FUNi Buu Kai, I'll see improvement.
That's… kinda part of the character, isn't it? She's just follow the script.

BTW, I actually like Colleen Clinkenbeard as #18, being more in line with the characterization from the original
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Singh is King wrote:Bulma: Hmm...I'm actually leaning towards Tiffany Vollmer now: Monica Rial started off better but lately her performance has been pretty aggressive sounding and obnoxious- hopefully, in FUNi Buu Kai, I'll see improvement.
If you're using Battle of Gods as her 'later performance', then her being obnoxious and aggressive was precisely the point. She was blind drunk.
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Post by Singh is King » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:43 am

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Singh is King wrote: You do have a point on the feminine part with Clinkenbeard: I'm not going to deny that, but I think she acts the part pretty well.
Wasn't Gohan pre-pubesent prior to the Buu Saga?
Monica Rial started off better but lately her performance has been pretty aggressive sounding and obnoxious- hopefully, in FUNi Buu Kai, I'll see improvement.
That's… kinda part of the character, isn't it? She's just follow the script.

BTW, I actually like Colleen Clinkenbeard as #18, being more in line with the characterization from the original
Yeah, which is why I don't mind the feminine part of her voice myself, but I can see why others may.

Not really: sounding in that mode ALL the time is grating, IMO.

I suppose that's true on #18, but I'm not much of a stickler to the Original Japanese Version.
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Singh is King wrote:Bulma: Hmm...I'm actually leaning towards Tiffany Vollmer now: Monica Rial started off better but lately her performance has been pretty aggressive sounding and obnoxious- hopefully, in FUNi Buu Kai, I'll see improvement.
If you're using Battle of Gods as her 'later performance', then her being obnoxious and aggressive was precisely the point. She was blind drunk.
Again, no, I've been noticing this since the mid Cell Saga of Kai: BoG is just where it got silly in addition to that, but I kind of see what you're saying there.

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Post by Lord Beerus » Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:53 am

Freeza: Holy God. Chris Ayers is the motherfuckin man. What an improvement in every aspect.

Gohan: Colleen captures the concept young Gohan much better than Nadolny did, with much less rasp and more appropriately pitch tone of voice.

Bulma: Another big improvement in every aspect. "Valley Girl" Bulma is no dead, and I couldn't be happier about it.

Ginyu: I'm torn. I forever have a soft sport for Armstrong but R. Bruce Elliott is so awesome as Ginyu. Ugh... I guess I have to with R. Bruce Elliott because he's just a better actor as a whole

Jeice: Meh. I preferred Sabat's version of Jeice to be honest.

Burter: Vic is certainly captures the snake like characteristic of Burter better than Sabat did.

Guldo: Grey Ayres is the best English VA for Guldo, in my opinion.

Oolong: Preferred Brad Jackson to be honest. Glad he came back in BOG.

Zarbon: Another huge improvement. The only shame it that Zarbon doesn't play a much more bigger role so I could hear the awesomeness of Tatum.

Dodoria: Meh. Don't really care much for the character, so I can't comment much except for that it's certainly an improvement.

#18: I wanted to give Colleen the benefit of the doubt but after hearing McCoy in BOG and Xenoverse, I'm really glad that McCoy returned as #18.
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Singh is King wrote: Not really: sounding in that mode ALL the time is grating, IMO.
I don't get how. Rial manages to be pretty versatile with Bulma.

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Post by Singh is King » Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:00 pm

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Singh is King wrote: Not really: sounding in that mode ALL the time is grating, IMO.
I don't get how. Rial manages to be pretty versatile with Bulma.
I didn't mind her when she's normally talking, actually, now that I think about it: it's the zany, angry, crazy side I feel she really overplays and exaggerates regarding the character and it sounds a bit...wacko, at times. If she toned that down, then she'd probably be my favorite English Bulma (though I don't think Vollmer sounded like a valley girl past the Cell Saga of DBZ's dub).

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Post by Attitudefan » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:37 pm

Wasn't Gohan pre-pubesent prior to the Buu Saga?
Yeah, but so what? Kids don't sound like ladies. Kids have high pitch voices, but Clinkenbeard sounds older than a pre pubescent child. That's why I said lady like, because it sounds like a woman. It doesn't convince me that it sounds like a little kid boy or girl. It just sounds too old.

Voice actors should study how Henderson played children and use the same techniques she did.

Even how Clinkenbeard annunciates words sound too old where Henderson nails the immature pattern of speech children do, especially young children from 3-9 years old. Their brains haven't fully matured and children still are learning words and ways to speak (that's why kids in this age group can pick up languages no problem) thus having patterns of speech that is different than more mature children, youth, and adults.

Clinkenbeard just has too mature of a voice for a young Gohan.
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Post by matt0044 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:09 am

Attitudefan wrote: Clinkenbeard just has too mature of a voice for a young Gohan.
Isn't Gohan too mature for a child his age?
it's the zany, angry, crazy side I feel she really overplays and exaggerates regarding the character and it sounds a bit...wacko, at times.
In this sort of show, are you surprised? Bulma could always be a bit… wacko at times so that never bothered me.

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Re: How did the re-cast characters turn out (in your opinion

Post by gohann » Thu Mar 26, 2015 10:36 am

I agree with people saying Colleen Clinkenbeard's voice is too mature for Gohan (and this extends to Goku as well). Those are teenage girl voices, not Kid Goku/Gohan.

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Post by Attitudefan » Thu Mar 26, 2015 8:30 pm

gohann wrote:I agree with people saying Colleen Clinkenbeard's voice is too mature for Gohan (and this extends to Goku as well). Those are teenage girl voices, not Kid Goku/Gohan.
Exactly. Henderson was the only one to sound younger.

There are tons of actors on children's cartoons that sound genuinely like kids, but Nadolny and Clinkenbeard are not those actresses who do sound like appropriate voices for younger than 10.
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Post by TJVY » Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:36 am

Nikkolas wrote:The only praise Clinkenbeard's Eighteen deserves is "fantastically generic." There is nothing remarkable in the voice or the acting. It's just a voice, like you were listening to Colleen talk over coffee. She says nothing at all that makes her stand out. She certainly does not sound like the strongest female fighter in the entire series.

McCoy was bored-sounding, not wooden. She projected an air of being "above it all" to the world which went well with 17's immaturity. And when it was called for and 18 dropped her cool demeanor, she could totally pull it off. When she played Future 18 for example and screamed "I HATE YOU!!!" at Trunks after he makes sport of her. Or when Cell is about to absorb her.

She really was perfect in every way.
Yep, agreed with everything in this post. McCoy is perfect actress for 18 to my opinion, Clinkenbeard doesn't do her any justice nor does she for Gohan, she's easily one of the worst aspects of Kai for me.

As far as the other characters go, the only other recasts I think are worth mentioning are Bulma's and Frieza's. I think Bulma's new actress sounds awful, but I do love Ayres as Frieza.
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