Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Low Tone G]

Makes me wonder if he had an idea for the 12 universes, if this movie will mention that, or if that was just a factoid that will never be explored.

I'm affraid it will be a concept to never uncover, if so this movie is just a waste of time. I'm not saying it won't be good or something, but honestly Toriyama is wasting his time with a movie that doesn't really add much to Dragon Ball if Freeza will come back and dies once again.

[dbzfan7]

Makes me wonder if he had an idea for the 12 universes, if this movie will mention that, or if that was just a factoid that will never be explored.

I'm affraid it will be a concept to never uncover, if so this movie is just a waste of time. I'm not saying it won't be good or something, but honestly Toriyama is wasting his time with a movie that doesn't really add much to Dragon Ball if Freeza will come back and dies once again.

I'd hold off on that proclamation. The set up sounds like a step backwards rather than moving forward with the universe, but we don't know for sure. I sure hope Freeza coming back actually expands the universe as that's what the gods did in the last movie.

[bubibartra]

It's pretty simple. Vegeta was going to save the universe technically by committing suicide, and that still wasn't enough to keep him out of hell. That was an interesting plot point as well as showing how brave Vegeta is. He'd stare hell in the face and lose his identity to save his own family. He was wished back on a wish that stated to not bring back the "Very evil ones." If people honestly take that wish to mean to only bring back good people, then small time criminals who haven't done anything that horrible would remain dead. Our heroes would doom anyone who isn't a model citizen to a permanent death.

I can totally see Vegeta going to heaven as Bardock himself was re-written into a nicer chap. He originally didn't give two shits about Goku, then in minus he seemed to care a lot more. Saiyans are beginning to become a not so evil race after all.

just before commite suicide Vegeta had killed a lot of people

then insufficient then but it´s not a final decision or irrevocable judgament that can´t change with future actions,

if we add everything that happened after the balance of actions changes

Please read and edit your posts, I can barely comprehend them. Rule 2 of Kanzenshuu is proper grammar.

From what I can make out, I'll say this. Vegeta may have killed people before his suicide, but he'd be saving a universe's amount of people in the process of his last resort. Basically his suicide would have saved a countless multitude of the people he killed. You could multiply the small amount of people he killed by several trillions, and not count how many people Vegeta's suicide could have logically saved. However that fact doesn't matter anyways as it doesn't fix his past deeds. Neither does any of his newer actions IMO. Hence when I say even if he's saving more people, that shouldn't just forgive his past actions. He has yet to properly atone for those.

in first point, Vegeta FAILS against fatBoo, Boo is alive ....

and one good action against many bad is not enough

vegeta has to prove that it was not even a single action in a just desperate time to save his family, the actions is good but fail.... and honorability and reasons are discutible in this point

on the other hand, he has a new opotunidad. his soul is suspended, in the manga Emma returned the body to vegeta BEFORE fails Gohan, somehow already considered that Vegeta is reliable and necessary although Vegeta is much weaker than Gohan

has a new opportunity and this time it succeeds, more good things after therefore un future judgament can have a different result

[dbzfan7]

Please read and edit your posts, I can barely comprehend them. Rule 2 of Kanzenshuu is proper grammar.

From what I can make out, I'll say this. Vegeta may have killed people before his suicide, but he'd be saving a universe's amount of people in the process of his last resort. Basically his suicide would have saved a countless multitude of the people he killed. You could multiply the small amount of people he killed by several trillions, and not count how many people Vegeta's suicide could have logically saved. However that fact doesn't matter anyways as it doesn't fix his past deeds. Neither does any of his newer actions IMO. Hence when I say even if he's saving more people, that shouldn't just forgive his past actions. He has yet to properly atone for those.

in first Vegeta FAILS against fatBoo ....

and one good action against many bad no tips the balance

vegeta has to prove it was not even a single action at a time just desperate to save his family, actions is good but fails.... and honorability and reasons are discutible in this point

on the other hand, he has a new opotunidad. his soul is suspended, in the manga Emma returned the body to vegeta BEFORE fails Gohan, somehow already considered that Vegeta is reliable and necessary although Vegeta is much weaker than Gohan

has a new opportunity and is successful, more good things after, balance tilts.

If you're not going to write your posts properly, then there's no discussion. You agreed to to the forum rules to properly structure your sentences. You seem to be new here, but you'll have a hard time getting your points across if you don't check your posts carefully. Otherwise other people will have a hard time understanding what you're saying. We also have an edit button to help fix our posts. Not sure if english is your first language though, if not that'd explain the sentence structure I'm seeing.

[bubibartra]

Please read and edit your posts, I can barely comprehend them. Rule 2 of Kanzenshuu is proper grammar.

From what I can make out, I'll say this. Vegeta may have killed people before his suicide, but he'd be saving a universe's amount of people in the process of his last resort. Basically his suicide would have saved a countless multitude of the people he killed. You could multiply the small amount of people he killed by several trillions, and not count how many people Vegeta's suicide could have logically saved. However that fact doesn't matter anyways as it doesn't fix his past deeds. Neither does any of his newer actions IMO. Hence when I say even if he's saving more people, that shouldn't just forgive his past actions. He has yet to properly atone for those.

in first Vegeta FAILS against fatBoo ....

and one good action against many bad no tips the balance

vegeta has to prove it was not even a single action at a time just desperate to save his family, actions is good but fails.... and honorability and reasons are discutible in this point

on the other hand, he has a new opotunidad. his soul is suspended, in the manga Emma returned the body to vegeta BEFORE fails Gohan, somehow already considered that Vegeta is reliable and necessary although Vegeta is much weaker than Gohan

has a new opportunity and is successful, more good things after, balance tilts.

If you're not going to write your posts properly, then there's no discussion. You agreed to to the forum rules to properly structure your sentences. You seem to be new here, but you'll have a hard time getting your points across if you don't check your posts carefully. We also have an edit button to help fix our posts. Not sure if english is your first language though, if not that'd explain the sentence structure I'm seeing.

I speak in catalonian, spanish and french, english is my fourth language sorry. I will try to edit and enhance the message

in first point, Vegeta FAILS against fatBoo, Boo is alive ....

and one good action against many bad is not enough

vegeta has to prove that it was not even a single action in a just desperate time to save his family, the actions is good but fail.... and honorability and reasons are discutible in this point

on the other hand, he has a new opotunidad. his soul is suspended, in the manga Emma returned the body to vegeta BEFORE fails Gohan, somehow already considered that Vegeta is reliable and necessary although Vegeta is much weaker than Gohan

has a new opportunity and this time it succeeds, more good things after therefore un future judgament can have a different result

I really want which is better understood

[ShadowWolf87]

What's your opinion of Toriyama's recent comment as it was easy to made up this story with Freeza, does that mean that he is lazy to come up with something new and refeshing?

It means that he wants to give closure to characters he didn't in the manga.

When he re-read the manga he probably noticed that Freeza was the only main villain who didn't die in an epic death battle and Vegeta was the only main character to not take down a main villain so he decided to give both what they deserved before moving onto new things like the 12 universes.

Well someone's making some grand assumptions.

[ShadowWolf87]

What's your opinion of Toriyama's recent comment as it was easy to made up this story with Freeza, does that mean that he is lazy to come up with something new and refeshing?

Nah I don't think so. Just that it's a character he's more familiar with, so it's easier to write around him. I do think it's kinda lazy to just reuse the character in Dragon Ball media for the 6th time, but I doubt that's what he's trying to say.

Of course that he did't shame himself to admit it, but it's kinda obvious that he didn't bother to invent a new character(s).

New characters? We got Beerus, Whis, Tagoma, Sorbet, Jaco's making his first appearance in DB Proper... these last couple movies are bringing in some fresh faces, man.

Besides, do we really need that many new characters? Cast is already so big that there's not a lot you can do with all of them and still give them something to do.

[Lord Beerus]

Beerus need to use the litter box or something...

Are you kidding me!?

Toriyama likely isn't low on money at all, but the guy isn't a billionaire. Who would say no to more money?

No one, but I don't think Toriyama would have done all he has in recent years if he didn't think it was good enough to be shown. From reading Jaco and watching Battle of Gods I can tell he's having fun with his work again.

And that in my opinion is the most important thing, when Toriyama is having fun doing what he does best. Because most of the time, that when the quality of his work increases. And that make the fact that he's doing so much Dragon Ball related work is all the more awesome, considering he was burnt out on fighting manga and the franchise as a whole many moons ago.

[ssjjanemba]

Wasn't 2nd chapter of revival of f coming out today?

[Ajay]

Wasn't 2nd chapter of revival of f coming out today?

Officially, it was three days ago, but it leaked before that. It's been summarised, discussed, and had a decent amount of panels posted in this thread already. Somehow there's been a million pages since then.

[ssjjanemba]

Wasn't 2nd chapter of revival of f coming out today?

Officially, it was three days ago, but it leaked before that. It's been summarised, discussed, and had a decent amount of panels posted in this thread already. Somehow there's been a million pages since then.

Oh i see, i guess i'll just wait for release. thanks.

[Dyno]

No one, but I don't think Toriyama would have done all he has in recent years if he didn't think it was good enough to be shown. From reading Jaco and watching Battle of Gods I can tell he's having fun with his work again.
And that in my opinion is the most important thing, when Toriyama is having fun doing what he does best. Because most of the time, that when the quality of his work increases. And that make the fact that he's doing so much Dragon Ball related work is all the more awesome, considering he was burnt out on fighting manga and the franchise as a whole many moons ago.

He got fun writing Jaco and Battle of Gods and still delivered Dragon Ball Minus... Weird, isn't?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I'm going to guess DB- would probably be better if he had more pages to work with. I imagine the Shueisha only gave him a small, general range so that the book wouldn't be too big.

There's only you so much you can do with a limited amount of pages. Had it been like 30 or so, there might be less bitching.

[Bullza]

Wasn't 2nd chapter of revival of f coming out today?

Its already been scanlated.

[Chuquita]

I wonder sometimes if Minus was made because Jaco didn't do well in Jump and Shueisha wanted Toriyama to put something more directly Gokû related in the book to help it sell, but only had so many pages to spare him.

No way to know though.

More OT: Julian didn't receive a ticket, but is trying though other means to get into the preview screening. That's what his twitter said.

[fadeddreams5]

More OT: Julian didn't receive a ticket, but is trying though other means to get into the preview screening. That's what his twitter said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii1tc493bZM

[Bullza]

Well if that means the movie won't get spoiled for us weeks before release then I'm fine with that.

[sintzu]

Well if that means the movie won't get spoiled for us weeks before release then I'm fine with that.

We'll get all the spoilers from other people who see it.

[Doctor.]

No one, but I don't think Toriyama would have done all he has in recent years if he didn't think it was good enough to be shown. From reading Jaco and watching Battle of Gods I can tell he's having fun with his work again.
And that in my opinion is the most important thing, when Toriyama is having fun doing what he does best. Because most of the time, that when the quality of his work increases. And that make the fact that he's doing so much Dragon Ball related work is all the more awesome, considering he was burnt out on fighting manga and the franchise as a whole many moons ago.

He got fun writing Jaco and Battle of Gods and still delivered Dragon Ball Minus... Weird, isn't?

What of it? Just because Minus is mediocre, it doesn't mean he didn't have fun writing it.

[Dyno]

Yep, nowadays we have authors having fun writing mediocrities.