Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

[Helios518]

Here's a question some what related to this topic. Would a completely dead SSJ4 Gogeta have a timer longer than 10 -15 minutes and what about a dead SSJ3 Gotenks? Also Malik may I ask if can use your SSJ5 Goku sketch as an avatar?

[Black Hawk]

Yeah time could play a major factor in it, but at the same time we also need to remember that Goku was dead and thus not encumbered by his living body's limitations so that could have also played a factor in him achieving the form. Gotenks is a different case since he isn't dead, but at the same time it's possible that since he's a fused entity the strain of the form didn't have as much impact on his body as it would on Goku's living body. It can also be considered that Gotenks has more experience with the form than Goku does since he achieved it during his training in the Room of Spirit and Time and had time to work with it (Goku admitted he had little experience with the form, especially when using it in a living body). Yes the form shortened the fusion time for Gotenks, but we don't see him (or Goten and Trunks for that matter) experience the same level of fatigue Goku does after use.

Very true. Perhaps, while time is the key in attaining the form in the first place, stamina plays the biggest role in maintaining the form afterward. It seemed to me that Gokū, in his first battle against Bū, was able to manage the form equally well or better than Gotenks, so a fused, living body may even be able to endure the form's strain almost or equally as well as an individual, deceased body.

I hadn't thought about how much time Gotenks had to work with the form in the Room of Spirit and Time; he may very well have spent much more time on it than Gokū did; excellent point, Barrrager.

[Saiga]

Vegeta didn't get SS3 for the same reason he didn't catch up to Goku with all that training he did: he simply wasn't good enough to close the gap on his own. While the form's drawbacks are worse in living bodies, the only consistent thing for unlocking the form is training and being super strong.

[BlazingBarrrager]

Vegeta didn't get SS3 for the same reason he didn't catch up to Goku with all that training he did: he simply wasn't good enough to close the gap on his own. While the form's drawbacks are worse in living bodies, the only consistent thing for unlocking the form is training and being super strong.

Again, Vegeta kept on training even after the Buu saga. Just because he admitted that Goku was better than him (or at least I think he did) doesn't mean he was going to slack off and stop trying. There's also that little rage episode in BoG to think about. Either way, it has NOT been officially revealed on how someone achieves Super Saiyan 3 since it's only been achieved off screen. The closest thing we got to a requirement for the form is in an anime only scene when Goku showed the form to Goten and Trunks.

Something that really annoys me when it comes to SSJ4 is how to achieve it. In a lot of aspects, it's actually EASIER to obtain than Super Saiyan 3. When you really think about it, if there were Saiyans who achieved Super Saiyan, had their tails still, and can control their Oozaru form, they could bypass SSJ2 and SSJ3 and just go straight to Super Saiyan 4. The fact that the form has more power and minimal setbacks unlike SSJ3 also annoys me greatly.

[ekrolo2]

Vegeta didn't get SS3 for the same reason he didn't catch up to Goku with all that training he did: he simply wasn't good enough to close the gap on his own. While the form's drawbacks are worse in living bodies, the only consistent thing for unlocking the form is training and being super strong.

Again, Vegeta kept on training even after the Buu saga. Just because he admitted that Goku was better than him (or at least I think he did) doesn't mean he was going to slack off and stop trying. There's also that little rage episode in BoG to think about. Either way, it has NOT been officially revealed on how someone achieves Super Saiyan 3 since it's only been achieved off screen. The closest thing we got to a requirement for the form is in an anime only scene when Goku showed the form to Goten and Trunks.

Something that really annoys me when it comes to SSJ4 is how to achieve it. In a lot of aspects, it's actually EASIER to obtain than Super Saiyan 3. When you really think about it, if there were Saiyans who achieved Super Saiyan, had their tails still, and can control their Oozaru form, they could bypass SSJ2 and SSJ3 and just go straight to Super Saiyan 4. The fact that the form has more power and minimal setbacks unlike SSJ3 also annoys me greatly.

I actually really like that its got different requirements on how to unlock it, especially the part about only pure blooded Saiyan's being able to achieve it.

[BlazingBarrrager]

The "pure blood" deal is only a theory Bulma made. We don't know if hybrids can achieve it because no one had their tail at the time. Everyone save for Bra and Pan (dammit Toei) had at least SSJ, so if they had their tail and gained control over their raging giant monkey selves they could just as well have achieved the form.

But again, it's not just the obtain method that bugs me. It's also how it has more power than SSJ3 yet hardly any setbacks aside from ki drainage, which is lower than SSJ3. Seriously something that powerful NEEDS to have more drawbacks.

[ekrolo2]

The "pure blood" deal is only a theory Bulma made. We don't know if hybrids can achieve it because no one had their tail at the time. Everyone save for Bra and Pan (dammit Toei) had at least SSJ, so if they had their tail and gained control over their raging giant monkey selves they could just as well have achieved the form.

But again, it's not just the obtain method that bugs me. It's also how it has more power than SSJ3 yet hardly any setbacks aside from ki drainage, which is lower than SSJ3. Seriously something that powerful NEEDS to have more drawbacks.

Since the perfect files list SSJ4 as a "Unlock Potential" I don't think its much of a stretch to consider it a sort of "Mystic Super Saiyan" state that brings out the Saiyan's power to its very limit while cutting off the drawbacks of inferior forms. And yeah, Bulma's speculation was just that, speculation, but I really doubt that any of the kids could go SSJ4 if they never had tails to begin with. So while Gohan could should his tail grow back, if Goten, Trunks, Bra or Pan never had it to begin with, then they're shit out of luck.

[dalome]

The kids had tails.

When we see baby Trunks for the first Time, Krilin asked:
"You cut his tail?"

[DBZGTKOSDH]

The kids had tails.

When we see baby Trunks for the first Time, Krilin asked:
"You cut his tail?"

And Bulma never answered. Toriyama & the Daizenshuu, however, confirm that Goten & Trunks were born without a tail.

[dalome]

The kids had tails.

When we see baby Trunks for the first Time, Krilin asked:
"You cut his tail?"

And Bulma never answered. Toriyama & the Daizenshuu, however, confirm that Goten & Trunks were born without a tail.

It makes no sense that Gohan has a tail but not Trunks or Goten.
Maybe not pan because she is a quarter.

And I don't Take seriously AT or Daizenshuu's words.

[Saiga]

Vegeta didn't get SS3 for the same reason he didn't catch up to Goku with all that training he did: he simply wasn't good enough to close the gap on his own. While the form's drawbacks are worse in living bodies, the only consistent thing for unlocking the form is training and being super strong.

Again, Vegeta kept on training even after the Buu saga. Just because he admitted that Goku was better than him (or at least I think he did) doesn't mean he was going to slack off and stop trying. There's also that little rage episode in BoG to think about. Either way, it has NOT been officially revealed on how someone achieves Super Saiyan 3 since it's only been achieved off screen. The closest thing we got to a requirement for the form is in an anime only scene when Goku showed the form to Goten and Trunks.

Something that really annoys me when it comes to SSJ4 is how to achieve it. In a lot of aspects, it's actually EASIER to obtain than Super Saiyan 3. When you really think about it, if there were Saiyans who achieved Super Saiyan, had their tails still, and can control their Oozaru form, they could bypass SSJ2 and SSJ3 and just go straight to Super Saiyan 4. The fact that the form has more power and minimal setbacks unlike SSJ3 also annoys me greatly.

We never saw the results of his post-Boo arc training. Some media set after that gave him the form, some didn't. No explanation given in anything where he didn't reach the form. Even though it was achieved off-screen, we are outright told Gotenks achieved it by training and the way Goku compares himself to them heavily implies he did the same.

We don't actually know if Super Ozaru is just having a tail and Super Saiyan, though. But I agree tgat the form's lack of drawbacks is annoying.

[Kamiccolo9]

The kids had tails.

When we see baby Trunks for the first Time, Krilin asked:
"You cut his tail?"

And Bulma never answered. Toriyama & the Daizenshuu, however, confirm that Goten & Trunks were born without a tail.

It makes no sense that Gohan has a tail but not Trunks or Goten.
Maybe not pan because she is a quarter.

And I don't Take seriously AT or Daizenshuu's words.

I'm one of 3 siblings. I'm the only one with brown eyes and black hair. Both of the others have red hair and green eyes.

Just because Goten and Gohan have the same parents doesn't mean that they can't have different traits.

[Cetra]

The kids had tails.

When we see baby Trunks for the first Time, Krilin asked:
"You cut his tail?"

And Bulma never answered. Toriyama & the Daizenshuu, however, confirm that Goten & Trunks were born without a tail.

It makes no sense that Gohan has a tail but not Trunks or Goten.
Maybe not pan because she is a quarter.

And I don't Take seriously AT or Daizenshuu's words.

You should better visit biology class because you are wrong.

[TheGmGoken]

The kids had tails.

When we see baby Trunks for the first Time, Krilin asked:
"You cut his tail?"

And Bulma never answered. Toriyama & the Daizenshuu, however, confirm that Goten & Trunks were born without a tail.

It makes no sense that Gohan has a tail but not Trunks or Goten.
Maybe not pan because she is a quarter.

And I don't Take seriously AT or Daizenshuu's words.

I'm half Korean. My sisters all have Korean eyes and "yellow" skin. I however got brown skin and a mix of Mom-Dad eyes. It's basic bio. Not all traits are passed on. A better example. Gohan grew around 9-10. That's Ox King genes as Goku and Chi Chi were midgets until late teens. Goten however has Goku genes as he's short.

[dalome]

Both are possible.

Krilin's sentence was not answered So we can decide if she answered yes or no.

And a tail is not a eye color.

[ekrolo2]

Both are possible.

Krilin's sentence was not answered So we can decide if she answered yes or no.

And a tail is not a eye color.

It is however a genetic trait like eye color or skin or pretty much anything else that skipped over Goten and Trunks.

[dalome]

Don't be mad, but I am a manga purist.

I can be open mind for what AT say or What is In some guides books.

But I don't Take everything they say as the truth.

So both can be possible.
I think Krilin's sentence is a possibilty that trunks's tail was cut Since Bulma knows about oozaru.
And Chichi must have learned from Gohan or Goku after Vegeta's fight.

Or you can believe AT and decide that Gohan was the only one who had the tail passed on.

Both are good, but I like the first one better.

[dalome]

It gives the possibilty of a ssj4 gotenks like in youngjijii' after futur.

[ekrolo2]

It gives the possibilty of a ssj4 gotenks like in youngjijii' after futur.

Personally I prefer them never having tails, the little bastards already got SSJ like it was nothing on top of fusion that made them superior to pretty much everyone bar Ultimate Gohan so them not ever being able to get SSJ4 is a-okay with me. Hell I'd prefer it that only pure blooded Saiyans could use it which is a possibility but it was never really confirmed one way or the other.

[TheGmGoken]

Both are possible.

Krilin's sentence was not answered So we can decide if she answered yes or no.

And a tail is not a eye color.

It's basic biology.