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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Cetra » Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:34 am

dalome wrote:Don't be mad, but I am a manga purist.

I can be open mind for what AT say or What is In some guides books.

But I don't Take everything they say as the truth.
Obviously you are not a biology purist and not a purist about law because the tail growth is a genetic trait and franchise owners decide.

And you do take what they say as true or you would not accept their world in the first place. You just decide to not like something so you act as if that conveniently does not count like many do nowadays.

Anyway this leads nowhere.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by dalome » Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:40 am

I got It With the biological thing.

You are four to have said the same thing.

But I am a manga purist.
And the kids having a tail is possible too.


AT least, with ssj4, they can become as strong as mystic Gohan without fusion.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by TheGmGoken » Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:42 am

dalome wrote:I got It With the biological thing.

You are four to have said the same thing.

But I am a manga purist.
And the kids having a tail is possible too.


AT least, with ssj4, they can become as strong as mystic Gohan without fusion.
The manga speaks genetics. All Saiyans have black hair. Biology. And it's POSSIBLE but unlikely. Seeing as no media shows them with tails.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by dalome » Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:45 am

Cetra wrote:
dalome wrote:Don't be mad, but I am a manga purist.

I can be open mind for what AT say or What is In some guides books.

But I don't Take everything they say as the truth.
Obviously you are not a biology purist and not a purist about law because the tail growth is a genetic trait and franchise owners decide.

And you do take what they say as true or you would not accept their world in the first place. You just decide to not like something so you act as if that conveniently does not count like many do nowadays.

Anyway this leads nowhere.
The words in the manga.

Well, everyone has his own way of interpreting Dragon Ball.

I prefer using the manga in priority.

And I only decide to believe What AT or some other fan say, when It doesn't contradict the manga.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by dalome » Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:46 am

TheGmGoken wrote:
dalome wrote:I got It With the biological thing.

You are four to have said the same thing.

But I am a manga purist.
And the kids having a tail is possible too.


AT least, with ssj4, they can become as strong as mystic Gohan without fusion.
The manga speaks genetics. All Saiyans have black hair. Biology. And it's POSSIBLE but unlikely. Seeing as no media shows them with tails.
But the manga talked about It.

It was said that maybe Bulma cut It.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by dalome » Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:48 am

Can we agree to disagree?
I don't say You are wrong.

I know I am stuborn, but Since it doesn't contradict the manga, I can decide both.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Cetra » Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:52 am

dalome wrote:
The words in the manga.

Well, everyone has his own way of interpreting Dragon Ball.

I prefer using the manga in priority.

And I only decide to believe What AT or some other fan say, when It doesn't contradict the manga.
I have no way of interpreting anything. When things are unequivocal they are unequivocal. Fragments lead to a logical conclusion and statements that confirm the truth of the conclusion prove they are true. When Cell says he can destroy the solar system I will not desperately struggle trying to say he is a liar because the rest of the manga does not imply that he is lying, when something is said that is not unequivocally stated because the rest of the manga shows other possibilities then the other stuff is possible. And when someone says Goten and Trunks have never been born with a tail then they have never been born with a tail. You say you do not contradict the manga but the manga is the word of a legal and intellectual owner, such is the official tail statement.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Doctor. » Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:52 am

dalome wrote:
TheGmGoken wrote:
dalome wrote:I got It With the biological thing.

You are four to have said the same thing.

But I am a manga purist.
And the kids having a tail is possible too.


AT least, with ssj4, they can become as strong as mystic Gohan without fusion.
The manga speaks genetics. All Saiyans have black hair. Biology. And it's POSSIBLE but unlikely. Seeing as no media shows them with tails.
But the manga talked about It.

It was said that maybe Bulma cut It.
No, they asked if Bulma cut them and no response was given.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by dalome » Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:58 am

It was said that maybe Bulma cut It.[/quote]

No, they asked if Bulma cut them and no response was given.[/quote]

It is why I said maybe.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by dalome » Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:01 am

Cetra wrote:
dalome wrote:
The words in the manga.

Well, everyone has his own way of interpreting Dragon Ball.

I prefer using the manga in priority.

And I only decide to believe What AT or some other fan say, when It doesn't contradict the manga.
I have no way of interpreting anything. When things are unequivocal they are unequivocal. Fragments lead to a logical conclusion and statements that confirm the truth of the conclusion prove they are true. When Cell says he can destroy the solar system I will not desperately struggle trying to say he is a liar because the rest of the manga does not imply that he is lying, when something is said that is not unequivocally stated because the rest of the manga shows other possibilities then the other stuff is possible. And when someone says Goten and Trunks have never been born with a tail then they have never been born with a tail. You say you do not contradict the manga but the manga is the word of a legal and intellectual owner, such is the official tail statement.
Let's Take HP like an exemple.

Let's say the author said hermmione was, during some times, in love with Harry.

Since It is not proven In the book, I can decide to Take the author' s word as truth, or keep believing Hermione was always in love with Ron.

Nothing wrong here.

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Cetra » Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:05 am

dalome wrote:
Let's Take HP like an exemple.

Let's say the author said hermmione was, during some times, in love with Harry.

Since It is not proven In the manga, I can decide to Take the author' s word as truth, or keep believing Hermione was always in love with Ron.

Nothing wrong here.

Yes, everything is wrong about that. Also Harry Potter is not a manga but that was a mistake of yours so let's leave that aside, you meant the book anyway.

If Joanne K. Rowlling decides a truth then this is what is true because she legally and intellectually owns Harry Potter. If you create a story, it is published and someone else says he does not believe what you say afterwards it also does not matter what they say because as long as you have the rights you have the right to decide. J. K. Rowling never implied in the books that Prof. Dumbledore is gay but implied it, or that he at least had gay feelings, afterwards so he is gay/had gay feelings. She decides. Not you and not me. If you want to decide about official truth than ask if you can buy the rights of a brand.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by dalome » Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:15 am

Cetra wrote:
dalome wrote:
Let's Take HP like an exemple.

Let's say the author said hermmione was, during some times, in love with Harry.

Since It is not proven In the manga, I can decide to Take the author' s word as truth, or keep believing Hermione was always in love with Ron.

Nothing wrong here.

Yes, everything is wrong about that. Also Harry Potter is not a manga but that was a mistake of yours so let's leave that aside, you meant the book anyway.

If Joanne K. Rowlling decides a truth then this is what is true because she legally and intellectually owns Harry Potter. If you create a story, it is published and someone else says he does not believe what you say afterwards it also does not matter what they say because as long as you have the rights you have the right to decide. J. K. Rowling never implied in the books that Prof. Dumbledore is gay but implied it, or that he at least had gay feelings, afterwards so he is gay/had gay feelings. She decides. Not you and not me. If you want to decide about official truth than ask if you can buy the rights of a brand.
Postby FoolsGil » Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:49 pm

Death of the Author: a concept from literary criticism which holds that an author's intentions and biographical facts should hold no weight when coming to an interpretation of their writing; that is, that a writer's interpretation of his own work is no more valid than the interpretations of any of the readers.


"As a passionate believer in the democracy of reading, I don’t think it’s the task of the author of a book to tell the reader what it means. The meaning of a story emerges in the meeting between the words on the page and the thoughts in the reader’s mind. So when people ask me what I meant by this story, or what was the message I was trying to convey in that one, I have to explain that I’m not going to explain. Anyway, I’m not in the message business; I’m in the Once upon a time business." -Philip Pullman

Once an author has finished their work, it is no longer theirs, but belongs to its audience. That's what makes it art and not history. You'll find when asked for extra information about a work of theirs, most authors will phrase things like "I think that" or "I might have written it this way if" etc. Toriyama's interviews are translated, so getting his tone isn't something I can do since I don't speak Japanese, but I highly doubt the man truly cares if you accept whether or not his retcons are the "true" canon. Reading is a democracy, not a dictatorship.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 0&start=60

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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by Cetra » Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:23 am

dalome wrote: Postby FoolsGil » Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:49 pm

Death of the Author: a concept from literary criticism which holds that an author's intentions and biographical facts should hold no weight when coming to an interpretation of their writing; that is, that a writer's interpretation of his own work is no more valid than the interpretations of any of the readers.


"As a passionate believer in the democracy of reading, I don’t think it’s the task of the author of a book to tell the reader what it means. The meaning of a story emerges in the meeting between the words on the page and the thoughts in the reader’s mind. So when people ask me what I meant by this story, or what was the message I was trying to convey in that one, I have to explain that I’m not going to explain. Anyway, I’m not in the message business; I’m in the Once upon a time business." -Philip Pullman

Once an author has finished their work, it is no longer theirs, but belongs to its audience. That's what makes it art and not history. You'll find when asked for extra information about a work of theirs, most authors will phrase things like "I think that" or "I might have written it this way if" etc. Toriyama's interviews are translated, so getting his tone isn't something I can do since I don't speak Japanese, but I highly doubt the man truly cares if you accept whether or not his retcons are the "true" canon. Reading is a democracy, not a dictatorship.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 0&start=60

I think You know this thread.
Yes, I know that thread and that quote has no weight as a factual statement. That is what one author said about his personal work. Law says different, intellectual property says different. And when I make my own story I say different, because I have the right to like every other author. If one person decides he does accept other things in his own story then that is fine but even that is just because he has the right to decide that he accepts other things. You try to state that the truth is that there is no truth and that you can decide as much as you like and that is wrong. You can decide if no one bothers. Or you can decide for just yourself while that is not the same thing as accepting that there are still objective facts. However, nothing will change the truth.

So basically if you say:

"This is a Dragon Ball New Age Thread. Malik, the creator of Dragon Ball New Age and Rigor has never said anything that contradicts that Rigor's true form is a flying butt with butterfly wings"

then Malik will probably come and say "just think whatever you want" but not because he says you are right about it being a possible truth.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by TripleRach » Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:53 am

While the author versus fan interpretations is an interesting subject, I don't think it really belongs in the thread for this manga.
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Re: Fanmanga - Dragon Ball New Age

Post by BlazingBarrrager » Wed Mar 25, 2015 3:01 pm

TripleRach wrote:While the author versus fan interpretations is an interesting subject, I don't think it really belongs in the thread for this manga.
Agreed. We really need an update ASAP.

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Post by DBZGTKOSDH » Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:15 pm

BTW, when will the revisions end? I'm looking forward to both re-read the whole thing again, and the rest of the story.
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Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.

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Post by DragonBalllKaiHD » Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:19 pm

Malik, mind if I give you a challenge? I'm sure you already have the plots set for the rest of the current arc (Aladjinn), so I'm gonna help you set your new goal for the next arc- try to draw around 60 chapters, just like Toriyama did with the Freeza arc. The pace for the both arcs, I feel, is a bit too short, even though the first arc has a good number of chapters to kick start the series. It just that it seems everything goes a bit too fast. I really hope you plan to keep us entertained with the current arc for a bit longer. The arc started at chapter 15 and stands at chapter 34, so that's 19 chapters total right now. I don't mean to nitpick, but I just hope for the story to last longer and enjoy the moment, because the story is best one I've ever read and the art is top notch.
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Post by BlazingBarrrager » Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:32 pm

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Malik, mind if I give you a challenge? I'm sure you already have the plots set for the rest of the current arc (Aladjinn), so I'm gonna help you set your new goal for the next arc- try to draw around 60 chapters, just like Toriyama did with the Freeza arc. The pace for the both arcs, I feel, is a bit too short, even though the first arc has a good number of chapters to kick start the series. It just that it seems everything goes a bit too fast. I really hope you plan to keep us entertained with the current arc for a bit longer. The arc started at chapter 15 and stands at chapter 34, so that's 19 chapters total right now. I don't mean to nitpick, but I just hope for the story to last longer and enjoy the moment, because the story is best one I've ever read and the art is top notch.
I second this. The story is rich, the art is fantastic, and it has some original moments. It's honestly one of the two AF/GT sequel pieces I've really come to like (the other being Toyble's version).

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Post by Malik_DBNA » Thu Mar 26, 2015 5:05 am

DragonBalllKaiHD wrote:Malik, mind if I give you a challenge? I'm sure you already have the plots set for the rest of the current arc (Aladjinn), so I'm gonna help you set your new goal for the next arc- try to draw around 60 chapters, just like Toriyama did with the Freeza arc. The pace for the both arcs, I feel, is a bit too short, even though the first arc has a good number of chapters to kick start the series. It just that it seems everything goes a bit too fast. I really hope you plan to keep us entertained with the current arc for a bit longer. The arc started at chapter 15 and stands at chapter 34, so that's 19 chapters total right now. I don't mean to nitpick, but I just hope for the story to last longer and enjoy the moment, because the story is best one I've ever read and the art is top notch.
All I can say is the current arc may or may not be even half done lol

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Post by Malik_DBNA » Fri Mar 27, 2015 10:21 am

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