Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
fadeddreams5 wrote:So what's my point? Toriyama drew him with regular blond hair.
No, Toriyama drew him in black & white. The colored image shows him how he looks like in the anime, and more specifically, Movie 10, where he doesn't have green hair at all.
Who drew the "animated version" picture or colored that in? O.o
Regardless, the modern hair is...
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
fadeddreams5 wrote:Who drew the "animated version" picture or colored that in? O.o
Not Toriyama, that's for sure. Must be someone from Toei.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
Eire wrote:
Short question- was he commissioned and paid by the author of original to do work? Because it makes difference between fanfiction and official work.
He was hired by Shueisha. Both Toyble and Naho Ooishi were.
Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
The lamest aspect? It is frustrating that there is still acknowledgement of GT/Broly silliness (I was hoping with DBO it would finally be displaced from the marketed continuity), but there has been progress in that regard. Definitely prefer a lot of the newer content (Jaco, DB-, JSAT special, BoG, RoF, etc.).
The one thing that comes to mind which I can't get behind is Episode of Bardock. I don't mind the fleshing out of his backstory or Freeza's ancestry/the SSJ legend, but the premise (a blast not only sending Bardock back in time, but seemingly doing so *without* splitting the timeline) requires too much of a leap for me.
I also don't care for how Gohan has been handled recently, hoping he still has access to his "Mystic" state in the new film.
Analytical Delusion wrote:The lamest aspect? It is frustrating that there is still acknowledgement of GT/Broly silliness (I was hoping with DBO it would finally be displaced from the marketed continuity), but there has been progress in that regard. Definitely prefer a lot of the newer content (Jaco, DB-, JSAT special, BoG, RoF, etc.).
GT and Broly are used only in DB Heroes, and some games, don't understand your problems with it.
Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
Analytical Delusion wrote:The lamest aspect? It is frustrating that there is still acknowledgement of GT/Broly silliness (I was hoping with DBO it would finally be displaced from the marketed continuity), but there has been progress in that regard. Definitely prefer a lot of the newer content (Jaco, DB-, JSAT special, BoG, RoF, etc.).
GT and Broly are used only in DB Heroes, and some games, don't understand your problems with it.
Partially Heroes, yeah. Some of it is due to the new release of Xenoverse. I guess I was expecting it to be the spiritual successor of DBO (and as such part of the primary/accepted continuity), though from my understanding AT wasn't involved in the Xenoverse story, which was the case with DBO. Probably set myself up for disappointment in doing so.
Analytical Delusion wrote:The lamest aspect? It is frustrating that there is still acknowledgement of GT/Broly silliness (I was hoping with DBO it would finally be displaced from the marketed continuity), but there has been progress in that regard. Definitely prefer a lot of the newer content (Jaco, DB-, JSAT special, BoG, RoF, etc.).
GT and Broly are used only in DB Heroes, and some games, don't understand your problems with it.
Partially Heroes, yeah. Some of it is due to the new release of Xenoverse. I guess I was expecting it to be the spiritual successor of DBO (and as such part of the primary/accepted continuity), though from my understanding AT wasn't involved in the Xenoverse story, which was the case with DBO. Probably set myself up for disappointment in doing so.
As far as I am concerned, yes, Akira Toriyama has nothing to do with Xenoverse, so Dimps just used his designs and characters along with some other elements from Dragon Ball Online.
Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
Analytical Delusion wrote:The lamest aspect? It is frustrating that there is still acknowledgement of Broly silliness (I was hoping with DBO it would finally be displaced from the marketed continuity), but there has been progress in that regard.
Couldn't agree more. Dragon Ball Online should have had its impact in the world, at the very least it would get rid of this such boring silliness. World needs a drastic change urgently.
Analytical Delusion wrote:The lamest aspect? It is frustrating that there is still acknowledgement of Broly silliness (I was hoping with DBO it would finally be displaced from the marketed continuity), but there has been progress in that regard.
Couldn't agree more. Dragon Ball Online should have had its impact in the world, at the very least it would get rid of this such boring silliness. World needs a drastic change urgently.
Xenoverse isn't supposed to be a sequel of DBO, or something, it is just some fun game with different characters from DB universe, pretty much like any other DBZ fighting game.
Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
Analytical Delusion wrote:The lamest aspect? It is frustrating that there is still acknowledgement of Broly silliness (I was hoping with DBO it would finally be displaced from the marketed continuity), but there has been progress in that regard.
Couldn't agree more. Dragon Ball Online should have had its impact in the world, at the very least it would get rid of this such boring silliness. World needs a drastic change urgently.
Broly: DYNOOO!!!! *Tickle*
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
Mystic Tien wrote:Xenoverse isn't supposed to be a sequel of DBO, or something, it is just some fun game with different characters from DB universe, pretty much like any other DBZ fighting game.
Don't know, but I do know Xenoverse isn't enough to make that impact. Not to mention that the game also features a character from the movies... Yes, it. That retarded thing.
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
I know you hate everything modern (even Dragon Ball Online, that awesome and poor game), but now you don't know your limits/talking about, and I advise you some treatment, seriously. Sorry, no rudeness intended.
Jesus Christ, Rocketman.
What exactly do you have against BOG?
While I would have put it more eloquently, I do have to agree that the constant Battle of Gods bashing is getting preeeetty old, particularly because it's usually just these constant "witty' one-liners instead of anything constructive or substantial.
Jesus Christ, Rocketman.
What exactly do you have against BOG?
While I would have put it more eloquently, I do have to agree that the constant Battle of Gods bashing is getting preeeetty old, particularly because it's usually just these constant "witty' one-liners instead of anything constructive or substantial.
Exactly.
Howzabout some Bardock bashing? Because Minus and Episode of Bardock are definitely up there as far as lame things to recently come out of this franchise go. Way to shit all over a perfectly good special.
Jesus Christ, Rocketman.
What exactly do you have against BOG?
While I would have put it more eloquently, I do have to agree that the constant Battle of Gods bashing is getting preeeetty old, particularly because it's usually just these constant "witty' one-liners instead of anything constructive or substantial.
While it is completely unrelated, I feel the need to point out that the constant Dragon Ball GT bashing is getting preeeetty old, particularly because it's usually just these constant "witty" one-liners instead of anything constructive or substantial.
Dyno wrote:
Rocketman wrote:bog is lamer than Broly.
I know you hate everything modern (even Dragon Ball Online, that awesome and poor game), but now you don't know your limits/talking about, and I advise you some treatment, seriously. Sorry, no rudeness intended.
Yes. As we all know, the mere suggestion that one of Toei's early productions is better than one of Toei's later productions is grounds for accusing someone of "not knowing what [they're] talking about" and needing "treatment".
Not that I think Broly is better than BOG, mind.
Howzabout some Bardock bashing? Because Minus and Episode of Bardock are definitely up there as far as lame things to recently come out of this franchise go. Way to shit all over a perfectly good special.
Yep. I actually liked the original Bardock special. I thought it was the best anime-only DB material, after maybe movie 12, because of its unconventional (for this franchise) story and protagonist. Minus just had to come along and ruin that.
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The Monkey King wrote:
RandomGuy96 wrote:
dbgtFO wrote:
Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.
It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWoke
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
Episode of Bardock wasn't even bad honestly. And I do agree BoG < Broly.
Another lame thing have been these trailers. Return F have unfitting music like I'm watching School Rumble or Lucky Star and BoG trailer was misleading.
RandomGuy96 wrote:Yes. As we all know, the mere suggestion that one of Toei's early productions is better than one of Toei's later productions is grounds for accusing someone of "not knowing what [they're] talking about" and needing "treatment".
Not about what came first, it's about the content, enough to ground.
All material since 2010 actually added more to the franchise than that character ever done since 1993.
Sorry, no rudeness intended.
Because Minus and Episode of Bardock are definitely up there as far as lame things to recently come out of this franchise go. Way to shit all over a perfectly good special.
