Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Gyt Kaliba]

Someone already created a formula to find out how strong the characters of DBZ got by the time of the Buu saga. Using a simple math of using Goku's training during his trip to Namek as a base along with how much Gravity he trained under.

And that formula is 100% totally absolutely confirmed by...what...exactly?

And again, focusing so completely on power levels just sucks the fun out of it all. Especially when it's done with actual numbers. There's a reason that system was left behind after the Freeza arc.

[GoldLiger]

Someone already created a formula to find out how strong the characters of DBZ got by the time of the Buu saga. Using a simple math of using Goku's training during his trip to Namek as a base along with how much Gravity he trained under.

And that formula is 100% totally absolutely confirmed by...what...exactly?

And again, focusing so completely on power levels just sucks the fun out of it all. Especially when it's done with actual numbers. There's a reason that system was left behind after the Freeza arc.

Yes because AT wasn't a math wiz. And Math is a COMPLICATED thing to a guy that likes things SIMPLE.

[Doctor.]

Someone already created a formula to find out how strong the characters of DBZ got by the time of the Buu saga. Using a simple math of using Goku's training during his trip to Namek as a base along with how much Gravity he trained under.

Using "simple math", with backed up information we got in the official series and guidebooks, SSJ3 Goku would reach a maximum of 48 billion by the time BoG comes around. Are you so sure of your "quintillions" now?

Again, these numbers are irrelevant.

[KaiserNeko]

Power levels are a plague of this series. Their inclusion has done nothing but streamline the plot in some areas and utterly hinder it in others. It was a quirk that I wish had never been introduced and pray to God that, someday, people stop trying to use them in conversation as a way to try and prove or disprove who is stronger, rather than just letting the plot do the talking.

I don't care if Super Saiyan God Goku power level is 15,000,000,000 and Freeza at his strongest was 15,000,000 or whatever arbitrary number was associated to them. These numbers do nothing more than hinder the progress of the plot, aid in the herculean power creep that became a huge bane to the series, and was only relevant for a certain section of the series.

Despite the fact that, it is extreme that Freeza is able to somehow grow in strength over 4 months to the point where he can dominate Son Goku, it's not completely insane. There are plenty of real world weight trainers who will tell you that some people are more genetically inclined to body building, exercising, etc. We know so very, utterly little about Freeza's race, about his pasty, etc. So yeah, I believe that a creature with a power like his by genetics alone could, in fact, make leaps and bounds if he were to hone it. It's also 100% believable that he's never trained in his life. The man's mode of transportation is a floating bubble car, his actions are all terribly subdued, and he lives as a haughty aristocratic fop with a pension for violence.

Someone already created a formula to find out how strong the characters of DBZ got by the time of the Buu saga. Using a simple math of using Goku's training during his trip to Namek as a base along with how much Gravity he trained under.

And that formula is 100% totally absolutely confirmed by...what...exactly?

And again, focusing so completely on power levels just sucks the fun out of it all. Especially when it's done with actual numbers. There's a reason that system was left behind after the Freeza arc.

Yes because AT wasn't a math wiz. And Math is a COMPLICATED thing to a guy that likes things SIMPLE.

I believe it's because power levels are garbage that... well, just read the rest of my post.

[Dyno]

Do not make this like a snowball, "power level" has its own thread, move into it.

[Sandubadear]

Power levels are a plague of this series. Their inclusion has done nothing but streamline the plot in some areas and utterly hinder it in others. It was a quirk that I wish had never been introduced and pray to God that, someday, people stop trying to use them in conversation as a way to try and prove or disprove who is stronger, rather than just letting the plot do the talking.

I don't care if Super Saiyan God Goku power level is 15,000,000,000 and Freeza at his strongest was 15,000,000 or whatever arbitrary number was associated to them. These numbers do nothing more than hinder the progress of the plot, aid in the herculean power creep that became a huge bane to the series, and was only relevant for a certain section of the series.

Despite the fact that, it is extreme that Freeza is able to somehow grow in strength over 4 months to the point where he can dominate Son Goku, it's not completely insane. There are plenty of real world weight trainers who will tell you that some people are more genetically inclined to body building, exercising, etc. We know so very, utterly little about Freeza's race, about his pasty, etc. So yeah, I believe that a creature with a power like his by genetics alone could, in fact, make leaps and bounds if he were to hone it. It's also 100% believable that he's never trained in his life. The man's mode of transportation is a floating bubble car, his actions are all terribly subdued, and he lives as a haughty aristocratic fop with a pension for violence.

This. Power levels are fun and so, but they shouldn't be used in an argument, they are unreliable.

About Frieza's potential, well technically he is a mutant with unknown potential, and since he never trained it's unknown how much he would get stronger. It's almost the same thing as what if Broly trained. his power is maximum

[TheGmGoken]

All power levels talk go here
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=29453

[BlackCatScott]

I must admit I love the sound of the theme music in the latest promo. I believe it's called Z? It sounds so catchy, really want to hear the full track.

[GoldLiger]

All power levels talk go here
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=29453

But I wasn't talking about PL. I was talking about Blue Mystic Vegeta being confirmed by Gohan himself in chapter 2 in a style call cannibalization.

[dbzfan7]

Demigra: 75 million years.
Freeza: 4 month's.

One is far more believable than the other.

[KaiserNeko]

Demigra: 75 million years.
Freeza: 4 month's.

One is far more believable than the other.

Freeza never trained and was almost as powerful as a Super Saiyan. Given those details, I believe that he can grow monstrously strong by honing his strength. Maybe he has a tool to help. Don't know. Don't care.

[TheGmGoken]

All power levels talk go here
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=29453

But I wasn't talking about PL. I was talking about Blue Mystic Vegeta being confirmed by Gohan himself in chapter 2 in a style call cannibalization.

I wasn't talking to you.

[GoldLiger]

Demigra: 75 million years.
Freeza: 4 month's.

One is far more believable than the other.

That and the whole Prodigy excuse is the worst plothole in existence of DB.

[SaiyanZ]

All power levels talk go here
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... =8&t=29453

But I wasn't talking about PL. I was talking about Blue Mystic Vegeta being confirmed by Gohan himself in chapter 2 in a style call cannibalization.

I still don't understand where you're getting this. Could you explain?

[dbzfan7]

Demigra: 75 million years.
Freeza: 4 month's.

One is far more believable than the other.

Freeza never trained and was almost as powerful as a Super Saiyan. Given those details, I believe that he can grow monstrously strong by honing his strength. Maybe he has a tool to help. Don't know. Don't care.

For one it goes against Goku's one speech of "Even a low class can surpass an elite if he trains hard enough"..which is wrong if the elite trains hard too apparently, or since the elite are commonly far more gifted than a low class. Next it's very easy to tell if someone has any martial arts skills or not. Goku would have easily picked up from Freeza's stance, and fighting style he's never actually trained. Martial artists can tell who's a disciplined fighter or not. Freeza even suggests he's at least had a rough time with his father before.

Next he's reaching a level Goku himself deemed impossible for him to reach on his own. Something he believed he could never ever reach in his life time or probably any life time. Freeza does this in four months. Prodigy or not how is someone who has no idea how to train, supposed to figure out how to get that strong in such a short time. If he's never trained, how would he know how or even what to do to get that strong. He doesn't exactly have anyone near him who could teach him or give him ideas.

Then we have how this makes Freeza a moron as a character, but people explained that already a bunch. On top of that it makes all villains look stupid and the only reason our heroes stand a chance is cause no villain takes time to train. Cell probably could have trained those 10 days and SSJ2 Gohan would be nothing to him. Boo is so gifted he can learn a technique once just by seeing it, so imagine if he trained too. This opens the flood gates for ridiculous implications everywhere.

I'm fine with the whole Freeza training thing...but they seriously couldn't have given him more time? I mean what kind of training is going to get him to that level? Sparring is the best kind of training, but he has no one on his level to train with. Gravity training is another form, but then he'd need to find several planets with higher and higher gravity as sooner or later as he gets stronger, previous levels of gravity will not help him grow. Same logic applies to weight training. Maybe if they come up with some super special I've never heard of training regiment, maybe I'll believe it. If it's just ordinary training, then that's silly.

Still no word on Vegeta either. If he hasn't become an SSJ God at some point, that would mean he trained to a level Goku himself said was impossible for him to reach ever. That's another thing I hope the movie covers as it's a pretty easy mistake to avoid.

[TheBritWriter]

Freeza surpassing someone in four months is more believable then him surviving a planetary explosion after being cut in half, and blasted again?

The guy never trained his entire life, yet at his most idle he is still able to physically beat piccolo and goku (who had king kai's training) and only lost to Goku because he couldn't maintain his energy, something that probably wouldn't had happened had he bothered to lift a dumbbell or run a lap. I see no problemwith it if him surviving the ludicrous is acceptable.

Freeza is a freak of a power, at least we have the in-universe excuse as to why Cell became even more absurdly powerful after each transformation, because of freeza's cells it seems, and given his past achievements and what he survived etc then its not that far fetched to say that it would take a period of time for someone to bring themselves at their prime. We also had a foreshadowing of this when Beerus was shocked to hear about freeza being defeated and unimpressed by Goku's SSJ forms so freeza coming back absurdly strong was coming, but it seems to suggest that Beerus can read PL or, in this case the full scope of freeza's power.

Speaking on Beerus I'm convinced Vegeta won't kill Freeza, or even fails to beat him, I think it will be Beerus himself, or that Beerus may end up fighting vegeta...which sounds weird, but looking back on the earlier trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VrEiaNycTw on 0:47 the character on the left has the blue aura which looks more like vegeta's aura of his new transformation. The character on the right isn't freeza, or even vegeta, but looks more to be Beerus as he emits that aura. (also beerus was disappointed in the apparent power of SSJ God Goku and even whis questioned if Beerus was right on his prophecy, and Whis has powers of time travel, so that may have been foreshadowing of what was to come)

I don't know what's going to happen, but I do know Beerus was shown on earth in one shot and is in a shot with astroids behind him, he will be involved in this that I'm sure on, and not just but at 100% of my full sureness!!!

[Mystic Tien]

Demigra: 75 million years.
Freeza: 4 month's.

One is far more believable than the other.

That and the whole Prodigy excuse is the worst plothole in existence of DB.

Nah, the worst was Goku skyrocketing from power level below Vegeta to 3 000 000 in amount of a few months.

For one it goes against Goku's one speech of "Even a low class can surpass an elite if he trains hard enough"..which is wrong if the elite trains hard too apparently

But it is exactly like this. If someone more gifted trains just as hard or even harder than the one who doesn't have any talent or isn't naturally gifted, then then second one will never catch up to him.

Then we have how this makes Freeza a moron as a character, but people explained that already a bunch. On top of that it makes all villains look stupid and the only reason our heroes stand a chance is cause no villain takes time to train. Cell probably could have trained those 10 days and SSJ2 Gohan would be nothing to him. Boo is so gifted he can learn a technique once just by seeing it, so imagine if he trained too. This opens the flood gates for ridiculous implications everywhere.

Indeed. It is almost always like that in most of shonen series. For example most of enemies in One Piece were beaten by Luffy just because they stopped training, some of them in their prime could even challenge the people who later become the strongest pirates in world of One Piece (Younko), yet they stopped training and became rusty, which let the main character to surpass them. This is pretty much the same in DB world. No one actually bothers to train, and when they do, they actually make huge gains. Good examples are Piccolo and Vegeta who were beaten by Goku just because they didn't train much (or most likely any in case of Vegeta), while Goku trained hard under guidance of a lot of strong martial artists, which led to him actually surpassing them in the end. Right now we see how strong can become both Piccolo and Vegeta, if they actually train hard. It is most likely the same with later villains, such as Cell and Buu, like was shown with Frieza in this movie.

[Bullza]

Frieza getting that strong in just 4 months is lazy writing so matter how you try to justify it sorry.

[dbzfan7]

For one it goes against Goku's one speech of "Even a low class can surpass an elite if he trains hard enough"..which is wrong if the elite trains hard too apparently

But it is exactly like this. If someone more gifted trains just as hard or even harder than the one who doesn't have any talent or isn't naturally gifted, then then second one will never catch up to him.

Then Goku was flat out a liar and Vegeta was right. No amount of training the low class does will ever surpass an elite who are naturally more gifted and privileged.

[KaiserNeko]

Freeza getting that strong in just 4 months is lazy writing so matter how you try to justify it sorry.

I just wish people would stop harping on it. It's been talked to death and, ultimately, is completely negligible to the story at large. Especially since we don't know if there's anything more to the 4 months of training.

He trained for four months and became strong enough to beat Son Goku. That's happening. Accept it and let's move on, yeah?