Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Tennessaiyan]

In all honesty, I am still waiting for this movie, because I want to see Vegeta's interactions with Freeza, to see how Vegeta changed in all these years, to see what would Freeza say to him, and how Goku would react to everything.

Dude, that right there; THAT is pretty much the main thing in this movie that I am so psyched to see X)

[ZazamPow]

About Freeza making such a big power jump in only four months, that new transformation probably accounts for a lot of it. Super Saiyan multiplies the users power by 50, so 120,000,000 x 50 would be... A lot on its own, and that's not accounting for the training Freeza does to amp his base. Honestly how high could Goku's power level have gotten?

[SSJGFrieza]

And here i was hoping we got some new info, instead it's just people whining about Freeza's power up again.

[GeeRod]

Someone knows what the narrator says at 0:19? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW-e9TcXZOM
I don't know who, but some page in the facebook translated this trailer and on this part he says: ''This is the final Dragon Ball fight!'' Meaning that maybe this will be the last movie we get?

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2015/03/25/ne ... r-version/

He says ultimate.

Thanks! I will delete my post, didn't saw that Kanzenshuu already translated this trailer.

Edit: Nevermind I can't lol

[Mystic Tien]

Someone knows what the narrator says at 0:19? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW-e9TcXZOM
I don't know who, but some page in the facebook translated this trailer and on this part he says: ''This is the final Dragon Ball fight!'' Meaning that maybe this will be the last movie we get?

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2015/03/25/ne ... r-version/

He says ultimate.

Thanks! I will delete my post, didn't saw that Kanzenshuu already translated this trailer.

I didn't see it as well, lol, I even translated it right apparently.

[Dyno]

About Freeza making such a big power jump in only four months, that new transformation probably accounts for a lot of it. Super Saiyan multiplies the users power by 50, so 120,000,000 x 50 would be... A lot on its own, and that's not accounting for the training Freeza does to amp his base. Honestly how high could Goku's power level have gotten?

Take your power level discussion to elsewhere, before it gets like a snowball.

[ZombieVito]

About Freeza making such a big power jump in only four months, that new transformation probably accounts for a lot of it. Super Saiyan multiplies the users power by 50, so 120,000,000 x 50 would be... A lot on its own, and that's not accounting for the training Freeza does to amp his base. Honestly how high could Goku's power level have gotten?

Freeza is seen fighting Goku without it and he didn't get one shoted.

[The Monkey King]

I mean we literally had Goku and co train for one day in a room and all of sudden they can challenge Cell

No it took them a year to get a few times stronger in a place with increased gravity, harsh living enviroments and good sparring partners along with their prior training knowledge,

or something as ridiculous as the Saiyans having Zenkai

No saiyans having zenkai makes complete sense for a warrior race to have, although I admit Goku's Namek saga zenkai was BS

[Abel Taylor]

I mean we literally had Goku and co train for one day in a room and all of sudden they can challenge Cell

No it took them a year to get a few times stronger in a place with increased gravity, harsh living enviroments and good sparring partners along with their prior training knowledge,

or something as ridiculous as the Saiyans having Zenkai

No saiyans having zenkai makes complete sense for a warrior race to have, although I admit Goku's Namek saga zenkai was BS

So, Saiyan genetics allowing Goku and Vegeta to be oh so powerful are "logical", but Frieza being a mutant with extreme potential is "lazy writing"? Neat.

Note: I'm not saying you called it lazy, just using your response as an example. Yay if you did, because then you are even more fit.

[ShadowDude112]

I think it makes sense that Freeza can evenly match base Goku. Remember, in Battle of Gods, Beerus states that base Goku couldn't beat Freeza. Yes, he absorbed the power of Super Saiyan God, but how much did he absorb? We don't know the answer to that. So, it's entirely possible that even with the absorbed God power, Goku can have trouble. Especially with this new transformation that Freeza has.

[Dyno]

I think the "mutant" thing recently added just explains how and why he was so powerful. The "potencial" was never mentioned as far as I can remember, nor the "training" thing. Though I remember Freeza saying the only one who got him dirty was his parents... Which could mean more than one thing there.

[Doctor.]

I think the "mutant" thing recently added just explains how and why he was so powerful. The "potencial" was never mentioned as far as I can remember, nor the "training" thing. Though I remember Freeza saying the only one who got him dirty was his parents... Which could mean more than one thing there.

DBWiki says Daizenshuu 2 explained that Freeza had unlimited potential, but... it's the DBWiki and although I can find some forum posts saying the same thing, I don't seem able to find a reliable source, so it's probably bogus.

[Dyno]

DBWiki says Daizenshuu 2 explained that Freeza had unlimited potential, but... it's the DBWiki and although I can find some forum posts saying the same thing, I don't seem able to find a reliable source, so it's probably bogus.

Can be true if Mecha Freeza is indeed stronger than himself when he fought against Kakarot back in Namek. That would imply Freeza (or Freeza's race) also possesses the "the more I fight, the more I become stronger" Saiyan thing.

[Skar]

Yeah, I don't like it either, that Freeza knows about Buu. Doesn't make a single bit of sense, now Freeza is the same as Vegeta, just a chatterbox, who brags a lot about being the strongest in the universe, but in reality knows, that he isn't even close.

That bothered me about Vegeta too. Freeza and his elites weren't created at the time so it makes it funny that Vegeta was going on about being the strongest. There wasn't even a point for Freeza to mention Buu or Beerus and raise this question of how he knew them. It could've been something like...

Freeza: I will have my revenge!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorbet: But the Saiyan Goku has improved greatly since you last fought him!
Freeza: I have no idea how strong he is because I can't sense energy but I am confident I can surpass him in four months!

Almost the same dialogue without mentioning Buu or Beerus.

I also think that Whis is somehow related to this, and that all of this will lead to a completely new villain/opponent with much greater powers than Freeza. As for now, indeed, Freeza may be some kind of a test, or even part of a plan of a some new villain, who may be (or may be not) related to Whis in some way.

If Freeza was meant as a test that would be funny if another version of Cell is the next one . This version of Cell has DNA from Beerus, Whis, SSJ God Goku, Vegeta, Golden Freeza, Mr. Buu, etc.

[Rozay]

Fuck Cell.

That is all.

[bleed0range]

Nerfing a characters traits/forms/abilities is stupid not fun.

Any way that Blue Mystic Vegeta power up is coming along great. The fact that they won't show it means that they know how fans will react lol. Oh well I hope they take Xenoverse's version of Potential Unleashed and just use blue highlights instead of white.

Can I just ask, what is this Blue Mystic Vegeta you keep speaking of?

If it's in reference to this supposed "leaked ending", then I can pretty much promise you it's fake.

And what part of it is fake? The leak has been proven thanks to chapter two of the FnF manga. If Gohan had kept his Mystic Mode in this movie then the rumor would be 100% fake and not 50%,

There's gonna be a lot of people upset if Vegeta doesn't defeat Freeza in this movie. But I think everyone is jumping to conclusions and it has become accepted as "what's happening" simply because the rumors are favorable. Just because a movie poster has a blue or red glow accent on the character doesn't mean it's a hint that Vegeta goes SSJ God or this made up "blue mystic" form. Vegeta has always had blue associated with his character, the lighting could be a complimentary color.

Likewise, just because Gohan lost or seems to have lost his mystic powers does not equate to Vegeta getting them without a shadow of doubt. There is no 100% assurance here it's just fans speculating. Also, I know Toriyama said he might have Vegeta do something big in the next film, but what do you think the odds are he even remembers saying that or that he hasn't changed his mind or is doing something else because now fans expect it and he historically loves doing the opposite of what fans expect?

Another thing is, it's just a popular fan theory. People have almost accepted it as fact but there is no factual evidence he beats Freeza. Does Goku? Possibly.

But more likely, as with Buu and other difficult enemies... They have to work together as a team to defeat Freeza. Probably it will have to do with Vegeta and Goku each listening to the lessons Whis was trying to teach them during training. I get the feeling that when it is all over they will let Freeza go and Beerus will keep his word and kill Freeza once Goku and Vegeta both defeat but not kill him.

I think Vegeta will probably get a cool scene but I wouldn't go in expecting him to be this blue mystic warrior who outdoes even Goku and defeats Freeza.

[Zephyr]

For one it goes against Goku's one speech of "Even a low class can surpass an elite if he trains hard enough"..which is wrong if the elite trains hard too apparently, or since the elite are commonly far more gifted than a low class. Next it's very easy to tell if someone has any martial arts skills or not. Goku would have easily picked up from Freeza's stance, and fighting style he's never actually trained. Martial artists can tell who's a disciplined fighter or not. Freeza even suggests he's at least had a rough time with his father before.

Next he's reaching a level Goku himself deemed impossible for him to reach on his own. Something he believed he could never ever reach in his life time or probably any life time. Freeza does this in four months. Prodigy or not how is someone who has no idea how to train, supposed to figure out how to get that strong in such a short time. If he's never trained, how would he know how or even what to do to get that strong. He doesn't exactly have anyone near him who could teach him or give him ideas.

Then we have how this makes Freeza a moron as a character, but people explained that already a bunch. On top of that it makes all villains look stupid and the only reason our heroes stand a chance is cause no villain takes time to train. Cell probably could have trained those 10 days and SSJ2 Gohan would be nothing to him. Boo is so gifted he can learn a technique once just by seeing it, so imagine if he trained too. This opens the flood gates for ridiculous implications everywhere.

I'm fine with the whole Freeza training thing...but they seriously couldn't have given him more time? I mean what kind of training is going to get him to that level? Sparring is the best kind of training, but he has no one on his level to train with. Gravity training is another form, but then he'd need to find several planets with higher and higher gravity as sooner or later as he gets stronger, previous levels of gravity will not help him grow. Same logic applies to weight training. Maybe if they come up with some super special I've never heard of training regiment, maybe I'll believe it. If it's just ordinary training, then that's silly.

Still no word on Vegeta either. If he hasn't become an SSJ God at some point, that would mean he trained to a level Goku himself said was impossible for him to reach ever. That's another thing I hope the movie covers as it's a pretty easy mistake to avoid.

I feel like the mere existence of Saiyans invalidates Goku's speech. Humans could never realistically catch up, because their species isn't as "elite" as the Saiyans. The same logic is being used here, only Freeza's freak mutant species is one-upping the Saiyans. I don't see how this is a problem.

Him being a mutant is vague enough that it opens up so many doors it's absurd.

I don't really get how this whole thing makes Freeza anymore of a moron than he already was. Different contextual situations lead to different actions and behavior. I have repeatedly pointed this out in these conversations, and it always seems to get ignored. In Cell's case, he was already top dog as far as he was concerned, he was still testing his abilities. If he was spared at the end of the Cell Games, it would be surprising for him not have trained. In Buu's case, this makes the epilogue with Uub actually make more sense. If SSj3 Goku was on par with Buu before, and Buu's regeneration played a huge role in why he couldn't just end him really quick, then it would have made no sense before for Goku to imply that this mystery guy could defeat him, when he's just got Kid Buu's power at most and no regeneration. And since the heroes are already astronomically lucky is countless other regards, this changes little.

I do agree that it would have been better if it was more than 4 months, and would be even better if they mentioned him finding a super secret special method. But again, he's a space mutant, and the universe is an impossibly huge and crazy place. In terms of things you need to suspend your disbelief on, I feel this is right at home with several of the series' other crazy things, and not any worse than them. I'd likewise find it hard to reconcile if Vegeta didn't get the SSj God power up, though I guess one could make the argument that training with Whis and Godku as sparring partners allows for crazy gains? Maybe?

I wonder how someone who has no concept of training, is supposed to know how to get that strong. Freeza somehow knows he can get stronger than Boo at least in 4 month's. How would he know? He's never trained and has no concept of training regiments, diminished returns, etc. I also find the new form kinda weird as before they were only suppressors rather than enhancers. I'm curious as to how he discovers all this. Though my money is on them not showing jack shit how Freeza accomplished this.

I feel like he's making an inductive, speculative statement, rather than an inductive, calculated observation of fact. He sounds like he's being boastful.

"Saiyans tend to be incredibly weak shit. One put me in my place on Namek, but surely that was just luck, right? Then I went to Earth and got blown to smithereens by another filthy monkey. Hmm. Now I'm back, and I get informed that that fucking monkey has even reached into the upper echelons of the spooky scary gods daddy warned me about? Well God damn it, there just has to be something to what he's doing. That was what, 17 years ago when he cleaned my clock, and now he's god stomping material....and he started off as a weak shit monkey. But I'm not some weak shit monkey, maybe this "training" shit actually does something? Hell, I bet if I actually exerted myself and tried to get stronger, it'd only take a gifted, special snowflake mutant, freaky alien genotype such as myself, like FOUR MONTHS tops to get on that level. That'll show him!"

That's honestly the interpretation of his thought process that makes the most sense, and is the most consistent with his character and previous actions, and certain other facts we know about what he knows. At the very least, that's what I naturally inferred from it, with everything else in mind. He hadn't even considered training as a thing that would be of any worth until he saw that a low level monkey can trounce all over gods. Sure, it took him getting defeated twice and then a bombshell like that to get it, but what do you expect? He's a smug, proud, cocky, arrogant shit. It just makes so much sense to me that it took all of this for him to realize that he needs to actually attempt to better himself, and I think it works great as actual character development for him. He's acknowledging that he can actually better himself, that he isn't just the coolest mortal shit in existence. And that's still consistent with his prior knowledge of Buu and Beerus, because those seemed to be like big bad boogeymen that no sensible mortal should cross, even the strongest of the strongest mortals that Freeza sees himself as.

This is what I feel like Toriyama is trying to get at. Is it executed perfectly or being conveyed as clearly as it needs to be? I think it goes without saying that, no, this isn't being spelled out as perfectly and explicitly as it needs to be. It takes a little bit of thinking and such to piece together why it is entirely consistent and makes complete sense, and I 100% agree that it would be altogether better if that wasn't needed.

Now as for whether or not he DOES actually get that strong, we'll have to wait and see. But it appears that he gets pretty bruised up fighting Goku (prior to his transformation), so it doesn't look like he fully met his goal. If this is the case, then he was partly right than he could make crazy gains, but he was also too arrogant to think that he could just stomp Goku. I mean I doubt hat he had any idea about "Golden Form" when he was being all boastful after being revived.

[SSJGFrieza]

I don't know why people can't see Goku losing to Freeza, he lost all the time in the original DB. In that regard Battle of Gods was a throwback, Toriyama went back to the original concept of the tournament arcs of making Goku lose so he can know that there's always someone stronger out there.

And about Freeza, even in his new form, Goku was able to do some decent damage to him before going down. So i'm not sure where this "Freeza went god mode in four months" is coming from.

[bleed0range]

DBWiki says Daizenshuu 2 explained that Freeza had unlimited potential, but... it's the DBWiki and although I can find some forum posts saying the same thing, I don't seem able to find a reliable source, so it's probably bogus.

Can be true if Mecha Freeza is indeed stronger than himself when he fought against Kakarot back in Namek. That would imply Freeza (or Freeza's race) also possesses the "the more I fight, the more I become stronger" Saiyan thing.

I got the impression they were making a joke referncing the six million dollar man. "We can rebuild him. We can make him stronger." The joke there is the mechanical components actually are what gave him a boost and made him stronger.

I think Freeza's race is supposed to be incredibly naturally strong with ridiculous limits. Up until SSJ Goku, he was ridiculous strong compared to just about everyone. Buu is a magical monster and Beerus is a God. So technically he is the only race or "normal" creature with that kind of natural base strength. They also seem to be able to survive even in the vacuum of space and even when chopped into pieces. They're hard to kill and super strong. Stands to reason they could also get even stronger with training.

[Lord Beerus]

Fuck Cell.

That is all.

In what way did this contribute to the conversations about Resurrection F?