Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
Along with that:
- Jaco as a playable character
- A new mentor
- Five parallel quests
- Thirteen new special moves
- Gohan's sport jersey from Resurrection F as a costume
- Two new accessories from Resurrection F including Tagoma's scouter
- Three new Z Souls.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
The Monkey King wrote:So if Goten and Trunks trained for 4 months (they were stronger than Freeza as kids) then Gotenks stomps Whis with ease, all you people defending Freeza's power up would be cool with it?
Well not really, Trunks and Goten used to spar, train with their elders and even went in the RoSaT,and they still need to transform to be above Freeza in his true (base) form. Freeza on the other hand has never trained or had a true transformation.
I'm talking about beginning of Buu arc Goten and Trunks, they had about as much 'training' as Freeza as they all had vague sparring sessions.
Heck Goten and Trunks didn't know any techniques and Goten couldn't even fly. Yet their base forms could at least challenge 50% Freeza while their SSJ forms could stomp him. Goten and Trunks are bigger prodiges than Freeza if they trained seriously for 4 months surely you'd be fine with Gotenks stomping Whis and Beerus with ease.
Well no, I don't think Goten and Trunks were that powerful, and I'm sure they trained to some extent. I put Goku in BOG at around 70% Freeza and in my eyes even after training in the ROSAT, with their elders and with each other they still couldn't come close to matching Goku. I'm sure they came close to covering 4 months in that period. And the training in the ROSAT was serious.
End of the day Toriyama decided Freeza is the biggest prodigy. At the minute it's as simple as that.
Along with that:
- Jaco as a playable character
- A new mentor
- Five parallel quests
- Thirteen new special moves
- Gohan's sport jersey from Resurrection F as a costume
- Two new accessories from Resurrection F including Tagoma's scouter
- Three new Z Souls.
A lot of people called this. DLC3 being unknown so far and the movie coming out the same spring really hinted at this. Makes too much sense from marketing point of view.
SSJGFrieza wrote:I think it kind of that sucks RoF is back to yelling and punching because some millenials didn't think that Battle of Gods was DBZ enough.
So..anyone from 1980. You do know what a millenial is right?
Back in my day, they called us "Generation Y" because it was easier than coming up with something different after "Generation X".
That said, having been born in the middle of the 1980s, I do feel something of a disconnect with people born closer to the end of the century. I've used computers and electronics all my life, but I'd hesitate to call myself a "digital native". The internet has been a huge part of my existence for a long time, but only since about middle school (before that, CD-ROMs were where it was at). I didn't use text messaging until living in Japan more or less required it to keep in touch with acquaintances.
With that in mind... I don't think it's a generational issue so much as it is a regional one. Even younger kids in Japan who like DBZ and its endless power-ups more, still don't have anything against the broader comedy of the earlier parts of the story. That seems to be more-or-less exclusive to Western (and particularly Anglophone) fandom.
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最近、あんまし投稿してないねんけど、見てんで。いっつも見てる。
Everyone is discussing about the feasibility of Freeza's training and I'm just sitting here wondering if we are going to have pregnant Bulma at the end of the movie.
Check out Journey's End, a short story of Goku and Vegeta's final days. "Time is running out for the last two Saiyans"
Doctor. wrote:Oh wow, he looks the best he has ever looked. Which is surprising considering I hate most of Xenoverse's models.
Agree with u 100%
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soulnova wrote:Everyone is discussing about the feasibility of Freeza's training and I'm just sitting here wondering if we are going to have pregnant Bulma at the end of the movie.
Welcome to my world. I'm far more concerned with character related things, but everywhere you look - 'BUT THE POWER DISCREPANCIES'.
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SSJGFrieza wrote:I think it kind of that sucks RoF is back to yelling and punching because some millenials didn't think that Battle of Gods was DBZ enough.
So..anyone from 1980. You do know what a millenial is right?
Back in my day, they called us "Generation Y" because it was easier than coming up with something different after "Generation X".
That said, having been born in the middle of the 1980s, I do feel something of a disconnect with people born closer to the end of the century. I've used computers and electronics all my life, but I'd hesitate to call myself a "digital native". The internet has been a huge part of my existence for a long time, but only since about middle school (before that, CD-ROMs were where it was at). I didn't use text messaging until living in Japan more or less required it to keep in touch with acquaintances.
With that in mind... I don't think it's a generational issue so much as it is a regional one. Even younger kids in Japan who like DBZ and its endless power-ups more, still don't have anything against the broader comedy of the earlier parts of the story. That seems to be more-or-less exclusive to Western (and particularly Anglophone) fandom.
If I may, I think the dub work we originally got had a lot to do with that, coupled with missing an entire third of the story. Things made less sense, character backstories were unknown or not detailed, lines were radically altered so what comedy there was were really bad attempts at Westernized humor that people thought kids would like more...
Seems that way to me at least.
"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird (1960)
“I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.” - Nelson Mandela
Mystic Tenshinhan wrote: In all honesty, I am still waiting for this movie, because I want to see Vegeta's interactions with Freeza, to see how Vegeta changed in all these years, to see what would Freeza say to him, and how Goku would react to everything.
Dude, that right there; THAT is pretty much the main thing in this movie that I am so psyched to see X)
The same here =D
Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
soulnova wrote:Everyone is discussing about the feasibility of Freeza's training and I'm just sitting here wondering if we are going to have pregnant Bulma at the end of the movie.
Welcome to my world. I'm far more concerned with character related things, but everywhere you look - 'BUT THE POWER DISCREPANCIES'.
I'm actually very interested in the more, pardon the pun, "human" aspects of things as well. There's an entire army being fought, we have some interesting comments from Miki Itō and Mayumi Tanaka regarding Krillin's family, we have the potential to see Piccolo interacting with Gohan's daughter, we have Gohan being a father and seeing how that might affect him or his motivations, Bulma's likely pregnant already...
Frankly I almost care about all that more than the actual Freeza fight.
"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird (1960)
“I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.” - Nelson Mandela
Mystic Tenshinhan wrote:Yeah, I don't like it either, that Freeza knows about Buu. Doesn't make a single bit of sense, now Freeza is the same as Vegeta, just a chatterbox, who brags a lot about being the strongest in the universe, but in reality knows, that he isn't even close.
That bothered me about Vegeta too. Freeza and his elites weren't created at the time so it makes it funny that Vegeta was going on about being the strongest. There wasn't even a point for Freeza to mention Buu or Beerus and raise this question of how he knew them. It could've been something like...
Freeza: I will have my revenge!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorbet: But the Saiyan Goku has improved greatly since you last fought him!
Freeza: I have no idea how strong he is because I can't sense energy but I am confident I can surpass him in four months!
Almost the same dialogue without mentioning Buu or Beerus.
Indeed, Frieza doesn't make any sense now. Why he even mentioned Buu or Beerus besides Toriyama wanting to connect everything without any need once again?
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Mystic Tenshinhan wrote:I also think that Whis is somehow related to this, and that all of this will lead to a completely new villain/opponent with much greater powers than Freeza. As for now, indeed, Freeza may be some kind of a test, or even part of a plan of a some new villain, who may be (or may be not) related to Whis in some way.
If Freeza was meant as a test that would be funny if another version of Cell is the next one . This version of Cell has DNA from Beerus, Whis, SSJ God Goku, Vegeta, Golden Freeza, Mr. Buu, etc.
I hope he wouldn't be gold though =D Like seriously (though ironically enough him being gold would make a lot more sense than Frieza, because he possesses genes of two saiyans)
Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
ACCloud wrote:
As has been previously explained, Goku has now taken God power into his body, so he (seemingly) no longer needs to transform. Toriyama spoke about cutting down on transformations, so it seems like that's the way things are going. Here's the quote again for reference:
"After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more." (http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... mysteries/)
Also, your comments about popularity are an absolute fallacy. Don't forget, Dragon Ball was over halfway complete when Super Saiyan was introduced. The series was incredibly popular before that, and I have never seen anything to indicate that Super Saiyan or any other transformation re-defined that popularity. Toei and Funimation certainly loved using Super Saiyan in marketing, but that's about it.
Personally, I'm fine with cutting down on the transformations. I'd like to see a bit more of Super Saiyan God, but I don't need tons of new transformations (or the repetition of old ones - I've seen enough throughout the series).
Yes but how are you going to possibly prove that? We need feats not speculating opinions to assume that base goku no longer needs to transform. For me and majority of viewers we already seen it clear that in the BOG base goku wasent able to keep up with beerus, and he got quickly destroyed. Thats why when he transformed into a super saiyan he was doing much better in a fight. And maybe you fail to realize this but SSJ is a power multiplier based off your base form IT DOES NOT CAP YOUR POWERLEVEL No matter how strong goku's normal state gets your SSJ will be 50 times than you.
dbzfan7 wrote:
The prominent humans are stronger than all the past Saiyans now that's for sure.
These ones... I am not sure. If you mean that all the prominents Saiyans, then sure. But there still are those guys such as original Super Saiyan, and original Super Saiyan God, who we know nothing about. They could very well be stronger than most of humans even without transformations, even the strongest ones.
Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
Mystic Tenshinhan wrote:Yeah, I don't like it either, that Freeza knows about Buu. Doesn't make a single bit of sense, now Freeza is the same as Vegeta, just a chatterbox, who brags a lot about being the strongest in the universe, but in reality knows, that he isn't even close.
That bothered me about Vegeta too. Freeza and his elites weren't created at the time so it makes it funny that Vegeta was going on about being the strongest. There wasn't even a point for Freeza to mention Buu or Beerus and raise this question of how he knew them. It could've been something like...
Freeza: I will have my revenge!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorbet: But the Saiyan Goku has improved greatly since you last fought him!
Freeza: I have no idea how strong he is because I can't sense energy but I am confident I can surpass him in four months!
Almost the same dialogue without mentioning Buu or Beerus.
Indeed, Freeza doesn't make any sense now. Why he even mentioned Buu or Beerus besides Toriyama wanting to connect everything without any need once again?
The basic idea being that Majin Buu was of legendary power considering he rampaged across the entire universe before being sealed away on some then-nameless rock. It's quite possible that he could devise an approximation of that level of power from tales he may have heard.
But we're assuming the manga dialogue is complete and not truncated, which it undoubtedly is.
Also: Beerus mentioned Freeza in the last movie, the two have apparently interacted. It's not like that comes out of nowhere.
"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird (1960)
“I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.” - Nelson Mandela
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. This version of Cell has DNA from Beerus, Whis, SSJ God Goku, Vegeta, Golden Freeza, Mr. Buu, etc.
