Official DBZ 2015 Movie Power Discussion: "Resurrection F"

[ZombieVito]

It's been 5 years since the Buu saga, maybe Piccolo has already surpassed the boys.

Perhaps. But let's not forget the boys have a 50x power multiplier on their side. It wouldn't take long to surpass Piccolo again after moderate training sessions.

But they never train. Even D2 confirms they don't get that much stronger at EoZ.

[Terra Prime]

It's been 5 years since the Buu saga, maybe Piccolo has already surpassed the boys.

Perhaps. But let's not forget the boys have a 50x power multiplier on their side. It wouldn't take long to surpass Piccolo again after moderate training sessions.

But they never train. Even D2 confirms they don't get that much stronger at EoZ.

Understood. I just said that if they did train, they would catch up to Piccolo and eventually surpass him. Also, does Piccolo still train as seriously as he did back in the old days?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I doubt Kamiccolo is gonna make impressive gains. The Super Saiyan kids should have a fairly large lead on him in the Buu saga, and Kamiccolo is most likely maxed out post-RoSaT... there's a reason he didn't go in a 2nd time..

[ZombieVito]

Understood. I just said that if they did train, they would catch up to Piccolo and eventually surpass him. Also, does Piccolo still train as seriously as he did back in the old days?

I think so.

He was paired up with Goku and Vegeta in the "always train" category by AT after all.

I doubt Kamiccolo is gonna make impressive gains. The Super Saiyan kids should have a fairly large lead on him in the Buu saga, and Kamiccolo is most likely maxed out post-RoSaT... there's a reason he didn't go in a 2nd time..

There is no such thing in Dragon Ball.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Eh, Piccolo never had any noted power ups for Buu saga or EoZ, so I just roll with it.

I don't think Ultimate Gohan can get any stronger or weaker either.

[dbzfan7]

I don't think Ultimate Gohan can get any stronger or weaker either.

Normally I'd argue how that makes no sense as Goku and Vegeta with less potential can somehow continuously grow while someone with more potential can't. However it seems retconed that Goku and Vegeta always had limitless or huge potential now. So apparently it was them all along who truly had that hidden potential.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

That's what I hate. Gohan was always the one with the most potential. All the new movies ruin it, because fans want Goku. Goku just has to be the star, and of course Vegeta has to keep up also, no one wants Goku far outstripping Vegeta either.

[TheGmGoken]

I don't think Ultimate Gohan can get any stronger or weaker either.

Normally I'd argue how that makes no sense as Goku and Vegeta with less potential can somehow continuously grow while someone with more potential can't. However it seems retconed that Goku and Vegeta always had limitless or huge potential now. So apparently it was them all along who truly had that hidden potential.

Toriyama ripped off DC Universe again and created a Flashpoint arc that's unaired.

Anyone find it interesting that Goku is the jerk now while Vegeta is the calm one. If these movies are indicators. Goku and Vegeta might get the same personality once training is over. Also how do Return of F affect Oob's power.

[Terra Prime]

Also how do Return of F affect Oob's power.

I don't think it affects him at all. Goku didn't fight seriously against Uub; he was likely partially suppressed. Uub just has the potential to reach Kid Buu's power level and probably go beyond that by training.

[AvatarReiko]

Also how do Return of F affect Oob's power.

it puts Oob in league with the gods. Goku, after receiving the god power considered Oob a challenge and wanted to fight him while both of them were at full strength.

[Zephyr]

I don't think Ultimate Gohan can get any stronger or weaker either.

Well let's look at the transformation Gohan undergoes between the Cell Games and the Buu arc. He slacked off, didn't train, and got rusty. Now's he's got more potential being un-utilized to be drawn out.

Then he gets that drawn out.

Now we see him slacking off, not training, and getting rusty again. I'd say it would be consistent for him to now have some potential to be drawn out.

Anyone find it interesting that Goku is the jerk now while Vegeta is the calm one. If these movies are indicators. Goku and Vegeta might get the same personality once training is over.

There was a thread here a while back that posited the theory that the Vegetto fusion may have resulted in a degree of personality overlap/swap/switch between Goku and Vegeta. This could give credence to that theory.

[Dyno]

I don't think it affects him at all. Goku didn't fight seriously against Uub; he was likely partially suppressed. Uub just has the potential to reach Kid Buu's power level and probably go beyond that by training.

Even if Kakarot doesn't fight seriously, none other characters can kick him and his arm got trembled in the process. I admit it is kind strange, but yes... These new movies are affecting Uub's power, he is becoming stronger without even appearing yet.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I don't think Ultimate Gohan can get any stronger or weaker either.

Well let's look at the transformation Gohan undergoes between the Cell Games and the Buu arc. He slacked off, didn't train, and got rusty. Now's he's got more potential being un-utilized to be drawn out.

Then he gets that drawn out.

Now we see him slacking off, not training, and getting rusty again. I'd say it would be consistent for him to now have some potential to be drawn out.

Who said Gohan didn't have that much potential at the Cell Games?

[Lord Beerus]

Also how do Return of F affect Oob's power.

Resurrection F won't affect Oob's power in any way.

[Zephyr]

Who said Gohan didn't have that much potential at the Cell Games?

It's definitely possible that he had it back then as well. Seems open to interpretation one way or the other.

[Mr.Judge]

According to the promotional material, Gohan is still stronger than Goku and Vegeta. Chew on that. Also, Giant Red Bull Man is clearly the strongest character we've seen so far.

This 1000 fodders thing bothers me, Piccolo and Gohan should be so superior to them that they shouldn't be able to see them, hit them or even make them flinch. Such large power gaps leadig to stomp matches is something that was established in the manga. One AoE ki blast should vaporize them all with no problem.
The bull guy does make me curious though, but Freeza finding someone who would stomp his Namek saga 100% power would be mind boggingly stupid.

the bull guy? or you meant to say red guy with horns. Anyway you helped me coin a name for that guy based on your use of word 'bull'.

So I am beginning to lose interest in DB due to too many retcons, plotholes and inconsistencies that were introduced starting with BOG and this trend is further exacerbated going forward in upcoming movie Resurrection F.

Before BOG
Going with exact 50x ssj1 power up, the base form needed to be stronger.
Base Gohan,Base Vegeta and base Goku were stronger than Piccolo and Freeza.

after BOG
Freeza is stronger than base Saiya-jins. ssj1 can give power-up more than 50x to fight evenly with Cell.
Dont know where Piccolo stands now. He and 18 can be even weaker than 'Full Saiya-jins' in base forms.
Mystic Gohan and ssj3 Gotenks are weaker than SSJ3 Goku. These 3 are even weaker than 'Rage boost Gohan-mode' ssj2 Vegeta who can draw blood from Beerus.

after Minus
Bardock is good, loving, emphatic Saiyajin with a very human-like personality and Goku origin story now completely mimics Superman origins. Most part about DB.

My predictions based on latest trailers.

1. Yamcha may now have fallen to Chiaotzu level. Does Akira Toriyama even know Chiaotzu had Telekinesis(TK) powers which he could be developed upon?

2. Tenshinhan, Roshi, Piccolo, Gohan, Kuririn are all equal now and have difficulty fighting a red guy with horns aka Redbull . Redbull can be weaker than Tagoma as he was hyped to be around Zarbon level power or weaker than I form Freeza(before training).
Going by the established DB logic, these 1000 strong force can be even wiped out by single Reccome Eraser Gun.

A very possible theory: Red Bull must have drank Red Bull to fight Piccolo on equal terms.

3. Also Piccolo, Gohan can be weaker than 1st form Freeza considering the 1000 strong force were trembling at the mere sight of raw display of 1st form Freeza's power as soon as he was resurrected.

4. Freeza may have forgotten he once had TK powers in the upcoming movie.

5. Vegeta can even get one of these powers: Buu's regeneration,Buu's candy beam, Whis's time-travel, Shunkan Idō, Tenshinhan's 3rd eye, Goku's Kaio-ken and Freeza's TK.

6. Vegeta can also get SSJ God Moe Kawaii Mode from the magical powers of love, friendship and Bulma slap since Goku got Moe Kawaii mode in BOG.

Is destroying an island to signal Freeza's arrival in any way impressive to Vegeta and Piccolo destroying small Planets?

That brings us to the conclusion that Akira Toriyama, Animations Directors and Toei are responsible for the ongoing debacles.

Moreover the animation directors don't even interact with fans through their twitter handle/forums considering these movies are mere fan service which are meant to rake in maximum profits.

Nor does Akira Toriyama employ an capable assistant/PR to help him understand what he had written in DB.

My predictions is that the next DB movie will be drawing some sort of inspiration from Star Wars: Episode VII - The Force Awakens (2015) considering Akira Toriyama is apparently a huge fan of the Star Wars series.
This movie will make him aware of the fact that DB too had Tk powers.

[saunasolmu]

So, apparently Freeza states that his combat power has reached 1.37 million due to training.

If that's legit, have fun trying to make any sense out of it

[Saiga]

So, apparently Freeza states that his combat power has reached 1.37 million due to training.

If that's legit, have fun trying to make any sense out of it

Or just notice the contradiction and move on.

If true, it's clearly nonsense. Really not hard to see that.

[dbgtFO]

Would be funny, if it turns out freezamite's list was the one most accurate to Toriyama's thoughts after all

In any case until a proper translation comes out, it's hard to figure what exactly is meant..
Does Freeza mean he'll reach 1.3 million in his 1st form or does he think that'll be his max output after the training?
Wasn't it said in the first RF chapter that Freeza's power had weakened? So maybe, when he's healed he's not even close to the 530,000 figure he had back on Namek?

[Lord Beerus]

So, apparently Freeza states that his combat power has reached 1.37 million due to training.

If that's legit, have fun trying to make any sense out of it

That's gotta be a translation error. There is now way it would be that low.