The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

The Kaioshin gauntlet:
- Kaioshin vs Imperfect Cell (post-massive human absorption)
- Kaioshin vs Androids 17 and 18
- Kaioshin vs Android 16
- Kaioshin vs Kamiccolo (post-Cell Games)
- Kaioshin vs Yakon
- Kibito Kai vs Semi Perfect Cell
- Kibito Kai vs Cell Jrs.
- Kibito Kai vs Perfect Cell
- Kibito Kai vs Dabura
- Kibito Kai vs. Super Perfect Cell

Go!

Without his paralysis, he loses to all of them.

With his paralysis, he can keep all of them from moving, but can't do any damage to anyone except for Androids #17 and #18

[Angelus]

Let's have this for the day:

Super Buu VS Movie 10 Great Ape LSSJ Broly (ignore GT Golden Great Ape logic, just multiply Movie 10 LSSJ Broly's power by ten)
No candy beam or blowing up of planets or absorptions. Ignore GT Golden Great Ape logic or implications or multipliers. Broly will not turn SSJ4 and has full control of himself.

Videl VS Fetus Cell (the one Krillin killed in Gero's underground lab)

and...

Imagine a World Martial Arts Tournament with these guys as the 8 finalists. Who becomes the champion?

Bacterian, Giran, Nam, Ranfan, Pamput, Man-Wolf, Major Metallitron, Colonel Silver

No flying or use of merry-go-round gum and no bad odors. Killing is allowed.


former versus:

Spoiler:

100% Fourth Form Frieza VS Androids Saga (Pre-ROSAT) Base Gohan that can use Kaiokenx20 comfortably

Android 16 (no self-destruct) VS Mecha Frieza that can use Kaiokenx20 comfortably

Buu Saga Base Goku with Kaiokenx10 VS Majin Yakon and Pui Pui

Imperfect Cell (Post-Gingertown absorptions only excluding Piccolo's arm) VS Cell Games Tien that can use Kaiokenx20 comfortably, has the Buu Saga Neo-Tribeam instead, and has 100 senzu beans ready for consumption each time he's at the brink of death from firing too many Tribeams. This would strictly be a Neo-Tribeam barrage from Tien. Imperfect Cell won't be blocking and is being blasted the same way his Semi-Perfect Cell was.

Full Power Beerus VS Buu Saga SSJ3 Great Ape Vegito with Kaiokenx20

- Ignore GT Golden Great Ape logic or implications. Vegito will not turn SSJ4.
- Vegito has full control of himself. Kaioken has no strain and can be used comfortably.
- No tail-cutting/grabbing or blowing up of planets. Both Beerus and Vegito are bloodlusted.
- Fight takes place on an empty Elder Kaioshin's planet
- If Beerus get's easily stomped in the match, immediately switch with GT's Omega Shenron. However, if so, give Vegito a giant sword.

[Lord Beerus]

The Kaioshin gauntlet:
- Kaioshin vs Imperfect Cell (post-massive human absorption)
- Kaioshin vs Androids 17 and 18
- Kaioshin vs Android 16
- Kaioshin vs Kamiccolo (post-Cell Games)
- Kaioshin vs Yakon
- Kibito Kai vs Semi Perfect Cell
- Kibito Kai vs Cell Jrs.
- Kibito Kai vs Perfect Cell
- Kibito Kai vs Dabura
- Kibito Kai vs. Super Perfect Cell

Go!

Kaioshin hits a brick wall at Yakon

Let's have this for the day:

Super Buu VS Movie 10 Great Ape LSSJ Broly (ignore GT Golden Great Ape logic, just multiply Movie 10 LSSJ Broly's power by ten)
No candy beam or blowing up of planets or absorptions. Ignore GT Golden Great Ape logic or implications or multipliers. Broly will not turn SSJ4 and has full control of himself.

Videl VS Fetus Cell (the one Krillin killed in Gero's underground lab)

and...

Imagine a World Martial Arts Tournament with these guys as the 8 finalists. Who becomes the champion?

Bacterian, Giran, Nam, Ranfan, Pamput, Man-Wolf, Major Metallitron, Colonel Silver

No flying or use of merry-go-round gum and no bad odors

- Super Buu finger flicks Broly
- Uh... Videl.
- Giran becomes champion

[jcogginsa]

i can't see Giran beating Metallitron

[RandomGuy96]

The Kaioshin gauntlet:
- Kaioshin vs Imperfect Cell (post-massive human absorption)
- Kaioshin vs Androids 17 and 18
- Kaioshin vs Android 16
- Kaioshin vs Kamiccolo (post-Cell Games)
- Kaioshin vs Yakon
- Kibito Kai vs Semi Perfect Cell
- Kibito Kai vs Cell Jrs.
- Kibito Kai vs Perfect Cell
- Kibito Kai vs Dabura
- Kibito Kai vs. Super Perfect Cell

Go!

Kaioshin eviscerates everybody up to Cell Jr, who he uses has a decent fight with before winning. Then he uses his paralysis to defeat both Perfect Cell and Dabra. His paralysis technique was strong enough to both stun SS2 Gohan and render him completely defenseless, with his durability being so low that Spopovich could stab right through him with a lamp thing. Dabra and Perfect Cell are even weaker than that, and so shouldn't be able to resist the paralysis any better, letting Kaioshin eye-beam them while they're vulnerable. SPC is a bit trickier, since Kaioshin had a lot of trouble paralyzing SS2 Gohan who is probably weaker than him... but I still think Kaioshin could paralyze him and win. Barely.

[Hellspawn28]

Tullece takes this.

Salza was able to put up a fight against Piccolo after fusing with Nail and he survived at the end of Movie 5 until Piccolo killed him. Piccolo in DBZ Movie 3 looks like he is not fused with Nail. I do think Salza could win after putting up a good fight.

[In Brightest Day]

Avo and Kado vs. Vegeta, Son Gohan, Krillin (vs. 1st form Freeza) and 1st form Freeza.

Strongest character Aka could beat?

[Dayspring]

Sonic the Hedgehog. Who can he beat in regular form and in Super Sonic form? I maintain that he's nowhere near as strong as anybody who's ever completed Kamesennin's training. Super Sonic is supposed to be powered up to 1,000%, which just means he's 10x stronger.

[Dayspring]

Avo and Kado vs. Vegeta, Son Gohan, Krillin (vs. 1st form Freeza) and 1st form Freeza.

Strongest character Aka could beat?

Avo and Kado are both equal to 1st form Freeza, so they'd lose if they didn't merge. Aka would stomp all of them.

[Lord Beerus]

Avo and Kado vs. 1st form Freeza and Vegeta, Son Gohan and Krillin (vs. 1st form Freeza).

Strongest character Aka could beat?

- Vegeta and Gohan are more than enough for Avo and Kado
- The strongest character Aka could beat would be Cell Jr.

Sonic the Hedgehog. Who can he beat in regular form and in Super Sonic form? I maintain that he's nowhere near as strong as anybody who's ever completed Kamesennin's training. Super Sonic is supposed to be powered up to 1,000%, which just means he's 10x stronger.

In his regular form, Sonic can't beat anybody because he next to none knowledge in martial art. His immense speed won't make up for his lack of knowledge in fighting. As Super Sonic, the strongest person he could defeat would be First Form Freeza.

[Dayspring]

In his regular form, Sonic can't beat anybody because he next to none knowledge in martial art. His immense speed won't make up for his lack of knowledge in fighting. As Super Sonic, the strongest person he could defeat would be First Form Freeza.

No way he's as strong as Freeza. That would mean his regular strength is 53,000.

[TheBritWriter]

Up the scale with sonic in db I say upto king piccolo, who would wipe him away with a blast, or is fast enough and well trained as a fighter to deal with him. I might be generous in the expectations of sonic though.

Mercenary Tao vs Eighter

[In Brightest Day]

Vegeta and Gohan are more than enough for Avo and Kado.

Care to give a bit of reasoning for your answer?

[Lord Beerus]

In his regular form, Sonic can't beat anybody because he next to none knowledge in martial art. His immense speed won't make up for his lack of knowledge in fighting. As Super Sonic, the strongest person he could defeat would be First Form Freeza.

No way he's as strong as Freeza. That would mean his regular strength is 53,000.

It is actually confirmed that Super Sonic is x10 multiplier in the terms of strength speed, durability etc., or did you just make that up? Because I'm not a big fan of Sonic the Hedgehog, so I wouldn't know. If it just a x10 multiplier, then he doesn't make it past King Piccolo

Vegeta and Gohan are more than enough for Avo and Kado.

Care to give a bit of reasoning for your answer?

I meant that Gohan and Vegeta are more than enough in terms of supporting Freeza in taking care of Avo and Kado. I worded my original answer pretty badly.

[dbzfan7]

In his regular form, Sonic can't beat anybody because he next to none knowledge in martial art. His immense speed won't make up for his lack of knowledge in fighting. As Super Sonic, the strongest person he could defeat would be First Form Freeza.

No way he's as strong as Freeza. That would mean his regular strength is 53,000.

It is actually confirmed that Super Sonic is x10 multiplier in the terms of strength speed, durability etc., or did you just make that up? Because I'm not a big fan of Sonic the Hedgehog, so I wouldn't know. If it just a x10 multiplier, then he doesn't make it past King Piccolo

Well I think in a comic special he said 1000x speed or whatever....but really I'm not sure that's counted towards all mediums. Sonic is considered casually faster than sound, and possibly goes to mach 5 or just under it since he's always labelled as only faster than sound.

Super Sonic himself has no real labelled boost til recently perhaps, with some previous hints. We know he can hurt giants like Dark Gaia, and has a positive aura that can cancel out negative ones. Speed wise I only know of a few statements for him. In Sonic Adventure he could become a bolt of lightning to attack Perfect Chaos, so I guess lightning speed could apply. On the official website of sega japan, I think Super Sonic is listed as having the next level of speed after sound. That can be numerous things like Hypersonic or whatever. Finally in Smash 4 his entry states he's near the speed of light (The only real time he's been labelled that fast to my knowledge in an official statement.)

As for Sonic's placement he's much faster than Goku's Kintoun which is stated to be mach 1.5, and he fights Knuckles who's labelled a Martial Arts Master in his descriptions (They're about to fight in a tournament again too). I'd say Sonic could probably make it to 23rd or Raditz and have a tough time. Super Sonic I see going up to Freeza First Form like you said and that's it.

[Dayspring]

In his regular form, Sonic can't beat anybody because he next to none knowledge in martial art. His immense speed won't make up for his lack of knowledge in fighting. As Super Sonic, the strongest person he could defeat would be First Form Freeza.

No way he's as strong as Freeza. That would mean his regular strength is 53,000.

It is actually confirmed that Super Sonic is x10 multiplier in the terms of strength speed, durability etc., or did you just make that up? Because I'm not a big fan of Sonic the Hedgehog, so I wouldn't know. If it just a x10 multiplier, then he doesn't make it past King Piccolo.

I suppose it's technically not a multiplier, but the official canon is that it increases his power and all abilities to 1,000%. Basic math tells us that's the same as a x10 multiplier, though.

There appear to be two contradicting official sources pertaining to his speed. One says his top speed is 761mph (which is exactly Mach 1) while the other says his max speed is Mach 2. However, the one that says Mach 2 also says his top speed as Super Sonic is equal to the speed of light and maintains the 1,000% claim. 1,000% of Mach 2 is Mach 20, though, not the speed of light (over Mach 880,991). Because of this, and given his name both in and out of Super form, I believe his top speed is Mach 1 (which is the threshold of sonic speed) and his Super Sonic top speed is Mach 10 (which is supersonic speed by virtue of being faster than Mach 1).

Thanks to dbzfan7 for the reminder that Kintoun maxes out at Mach 1.5, though. It makes this discussion more interesting since I don't see else anything Sonic does to suggest he's stronger than someone who completed Kamesennin's training.
EDIT: Piccolo keeping up with Kintoun to the fight against Raditz would suggest that Sonic has a BP of 207-ish at most (2/3 of Piccolo's 322).

[Lord Beerus]

Thanks for the clarifications, dbzfan7 and Dayspring.

Still not interested in Sonic The Hedgehog.

[Hellspawn28]

I remember Super Sonic tank Eggman's Egg Machine beam which can blow up the Moon in Sonic 2. I think Super Sonic could make it up to the Saiyan saga since he should beat anyone before DBZ. Archie Super Sonic would solo all of Dragon Ball in one blow. Archie Sonic is more broken then Pre-Crisis Superman.

[dbzfan7]

I suppose it's technically not a multiplier, but the official canon is that it increases his power and all abilities to 1,000%. Basic math tells us that's the same as a x10 multiplier, though.

There appear to be two contradicting official sources pertaining to his speed. One says his top speed is 761mph (which is exactly Mach 1) while the other says his max speed is Mach 2. However, the one that says Mach 2 also says his top speed as Super Sonic is equal to the speed of light and maintains the 1,000% claim. 1,000% of Mach 2 is Mach 20, though, not the speed of light (over Mach 880,991). Because of this, and given his name both in and out of Super form, I believe his top speed is Mach 1 (which is the threshold of sonic speed) and his Super Sonic top speed is Mach 10 (which is supersonic speed by virtue of being faster than Mach 1).

Thanks to dbzfan7 for the reminder that Kintoun maxes out at Mach 1.5, though. It makes this discussion more interesting since I don't see else anything Sonic does to suggest he's stronger than someone who completed Kamesennin's training.
EDIT: Piccolo keeping up with Kintoun to the fight against Raditz would suggest that Sonic has a BP of 207-ish at most (2/3 of Piccolo's 322).

Only source for 1000x whatever was in the Super Sonic vs Hyper Knuckles Comic. Nowhere else is anything like that said. He's always called faster than sound while some of his friends (or at least used to before Sega stuck their dicks into them) capped around mach 1. I'd like to see your sources for those mach 2 and light speed claim. I've never heard of them and other forums of fans never brought those up. Smash 4 with Super Sonic's trophy said he's near light speed, which funny enough proves a Death Battle quote right for once.

Sonic I think you're selling a little short. He battles huge foes and damages them. I can't see Goku or Krillin beating Perfect Chaos after Kame Senin training. Since Goku was swifter than lightning after his training with Mr. Popo, that's where I draw the line for base Sonic. Super Sonic is planetary for sure since he's powered by emeralds that gave a super weapon the ability to destroy planets and pierce stars (didn't say destroy). So I think he'd cap around First Form Freeza who I think could do just that.

I remember Super Sonic tank Eggman's Egg Machine beam which can blow up the Moon in Sonic 2. I think Super Sonic could make it up to the Saiyan saga since he should beat anyone before DBZ. Archie Super Sonic would solo all of Dragon Ball in one blow. Archie Sonic is more broken then Pre-Crisis Superman.

Not sure what he can do now a days since the reboot though. Last thing I remember outside the comic special everyone likes to mention (Which I hear is taken out of context), was team with Super Mega Man, and be unable to defeat Perfect Chaos without Knuckles electrocuting him.

Thanks for the clarifications, dbzfan7 and Dayspring.

Still not interested in Sonic The Hedgehog.

Stay far away. It's a pile of shit now run by incompetent imbeciles. If anyone thought Goku was pushing aside his cast, they've yet to see Sonic nuke his own cast.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

pre-RoSaT Goten vs. Cell Games Vegeta