Okay but that doesn't really answer the other questions I asked in that comment:DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Just listen to the podcast... They go through all 7 Daizenshuu one by one, and say what mistakes each have. The mistakes are small typos about character appearances in volumes (like, X first appeared in vol. 6 instead of vol. 9, or Y appeared in vol. 30 instead of vol. 30+), and there is also the mistake of saying that Tenshinhan fought #19 for some reason. There are also Raditz's & Nappa's battle powers, which are debatable if they are wrong or not (I believe they are, personally).
"They have the manga in front of them so what excuse do they have for not double checking? If don't put much effort into copying and pasting information then are you saying all their new information accurate without any doubt in your mind? I know you're going to say "as long as it doesn't contradict the manga" but imagine any sort of guidebook or encyclopedia that contradicts the source material and can't even copy information from it correctly several times. That would be like a video game guide that occasionally contradicted the game it was writing about or copied instructions wrong. I honestly can't think of any type of guide material that would still be considered reliable after such simple mistakes."
That still raises the question of why he's bringing it up at all. Did they already bring the 50x multiplier to his attention when they were working on the Daizenshuu and he forgot that too? If you're saying he forgot that Oozaru was 10x base then how would you know the 2x and 4x multipliers are accurate? SSJ2 could've been more and he also forgot that. There are multiple occasions in the manga when a character mentions they are only using half their power so someone mentioning that a SSJ2 is double the power of a SSJ1 would just be the other way around. Instead of saying half or 50% they would say double.The x10 multiplier that Toriyama is suggesting makes no sense, and to be honest, I suspect that Toriyama may have mixed up the x10 multiplier of Oozaru in his mind with the SS multiplier during the interview. I'm not saying that it is him that came up with the x50 multiplier, but this is Toriyama we are talking about, in 2013 he thought that SS3 was SS2, and that #18 was the android with the purple hair while this is actually Arale from Dr. Slump... Maybe the x10 multiplier he mentioned was actually about Oozaru, and he confused the Saiyan transformations in his mind in 2009. But this is just speculation. The fact is, he supervised the section in SEG that has the SS multipliers for the 3 forms, so since the book states that these are the multipliers, then this means that Toriyama is OK with the multipliers. Toriyama doesn't say in his interview "the books say that the multiplier is x50, but I say that it is x10", he is basically saying "the books say that the multiplier is x50, but back then, I felt like the multiplier was x10".
That's kinda the point. Toriyama doesn't care about power levels which is why I have trouble understanding it when someone says "The guidebooks power levels are 100% undeniably confirmed by Toriyama!" The author has already abandoned them for a few years then it seems unlikely he would care much for other people's power levels.They don't have to ask Toriyama about battle powers, they can make them up by themselves. I doubt Toriyama would even bother to make numbers about story arcs he had finished for years now.
Hmm I didn't know about that so I'm not really sure now. Are there any other differences between the movie and manga adaption of BoG?No, he said "You became an amazing Super Saiyan", which isn't clear about if Goku is talking about regular Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan in general. The manga adaptation of the scene shows that Vegeta has sparks when he powers up, for what it's worth.
I guess. I'm not sure why Toriyama would say he would continue training in SSJ if it doesn't increase his power at all. If training in SSJ is supposed to give him a better workout then he would be better off training in SSJ2 or SSJ3 since there's even more strain.I don't know. He transformed by accident against Beerus (he hadn't even realized that he had reverted from SSGod, let alone that he turned SS), and he says to Freeza that he doesn't need to transform anymore. Maybe turning into Super Saiyan during training helps him somehow, like it did inside the RoSaT while he was mastering it? The fact is, it doesn't make him any stronger, nor does SS2, SS3, and SSGod. Hopefully the new movie will clear things up.
Saying something is canon as long as it isn't contradict is much different than saying it's canon because the author takes that information into consideration when continuing his old story. It would be just be luck if the information in the guidebooks aren't contradicted since neither Toriyama or Toei will be looking into them. Toei is animating the new movies so they have the rights to the animated version of BoG and FnF and they would be less likely to double-check the Shueisha's guidebooks if Toriyama isn't.My personal canon is still Toriyama's works + Shueisha's guidebooks on the manga. Toriyama may not care about the guidebooks, but he doesn't own the franchise alone, and he doesn't make all of the decisions alone, and so far, none of his new stuff have contradicted the guidebooks.
