New "Remastered Box Set" Information

[Li'l Lemmy]

Revised English dialogue? Maybe that means the Ginyu\Frezza saga will be re dubbed? Eh, I doubt it but they were so damn vauge. Also, Japanese BGM with English voices? Where does it say that?

That particular tidbit can be found in the press release.

"For the first time, fans will be able to listen to the original Japanese score with either the original Japanese dialogue or the English dialogue."

More, etc.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

For the first time, fans will be able to listen to the original Japanese score with either the original Japanese dialogue or the English dialogue

Ok. Thats effin awesome. Didn't see that comming.

[Castor Troy]

Revised English dialogue? Maybe that means the Ginyu\Frezza saga will be re dubbed? Eh, I doubt it but they were so damn vauge. Also, Japanese BGM with English voices? Where does it say that?

You get to hear Schemmel's kamehame-dump scene without music.

[Tanooki Kuribo]

I wonder if you would be able to have Japanese audio with English music. Not that anyone would but, damn that would be really interesting to see.

[Li'l Lemmy]

Interchangable dub BGM.

Hmm. I could be wrong, but I think I remember some time ago seeing an actual online petition for this feature to be included in future releases. And despite that I would have liked this too, I distinctly recall thinking to myself something along the lines of, "not a chance in hell."

EDIT: Ha! I did see it, right here at DaizenshuuEX. It's featured in a locked thread from 2004. Hilarious that it has actually come true . . .

[Brad Redfield]

I'm really excited about this...though the widescreen thing worries me.

[ect5150]

Widescreen is an issue, I'll admit. We can and will be worried about it until we hear more details.

But I'd give more consideration to the apparent 5 disc arrangement. 39 episodes? That comes out to 8-8-8-8-7 one way or another . . . so should there be any concern with the new remastered quality being pressed for space? I'm not much of a tech person, but I think even I understand that this could be a problem.

Unless someone is willing to explain to me otherwise, which I'd love to hear. Not that it would truly matter, as I'm still definitely scooping up this release.

The way I figure it is this, the press release says 900 minutes of footage (if I do my own calculations, I get slightly less, but...) across 5 discs gives 168 minutes per disc. As far as quality and compression, that's encoding 2.8 hours of video (apparently widescreen). Movies like Return of the King are longer across the same space on DVD, so I'd say the possibility is there for them to have a quality encoding process (but the current DVDs have a crap encoding process). So the possibility is there for it to work. Will they make the most of what they have? That remains to be seen.

I still don't like the idea of widescreen. Granted, with anamorphic, it can look better on a widescreen TV/monitor, but still... I"m willing to bet we can find a few moments that fill the entire screen that won't be don'e justice due to any cropping (several in your face Kamehame-Ha's come to mind, if anyone wants to do a screen cap and post a cropped picture)

I guess we should mention the official press release made no mention of widescreen, just the video (so whoever mentioned the marketing goof may be correct).

[Li'l Lemmy]

The way I figure it is this, the press release says 900 minutes of footage (if I do my own calculations, I get slightly less, but...) across 5 discs gives 168 minutes per disc. As far as quality and compression, that's encoding 2.8 hours of video (apparently widescreen). Movies like Return of the King are longer across the same space on DVD, so I'd say the possibility is there for them to have a quality encoding process (but the current DVDs have a crap encoding process). So the possibility is there for it to work. Will they make the most of what they have? That remains to be seen.

So basically what you're saying is that it can be done. Hmm. Then we'll just have to hope that FUNi plans to make use of a new and better encoding process, starting with these highly-anticipated DVDs.

Hey, thanks for taking the time to explain that to me.

Fanboy wishing, I know, but who is it that does the narration on the FUNi dub of Dragonball?

You mean that gentle-sounding guy, whose narrative style I happen to think is the best of them all? Someone should feel free to correct me on this if necessary, but from what I remember that's actually Brice Armstrong when he's not trying to be the (re-dub) Captain Ginyu.

If they could get him to do the English-VA/Japanese Music version (keep WILD WILD MONSTWERRRRRTRUCKS guy in the 5.1 with all of the new crap) then that'd be great (it'd flow a lot better from Dragonball).

That guy is Kyle Hebert (Adult Gohan).

I wouldn't count on this happening, but just so you know I happen to like your idea.

[Brad Redfield]

I really, really hope this widescreen thing is only an option and that they also offer the 4:3 footage on the discs as well. C'mon FUNi, don't mess this thing up...

[Eclipse]

I was just watching one of my R2 DVDs...after close inspection, there is room for improvement in quality. If you don't know what I mean, pop in an R2 DVD or DBZ D-Box DVD, and look closely at the screen. There's a lot of crap seen on the screen, expecially the backrounds. If you want to see it even clearer, fulscreen the DVD on Windows Media Player. You see, Funimation could possibly provide us with "better then D-Box" quality. Yummy.

They definately won't be able to. The dub used copies of the masters, which are copies of the cells used for the show (The cells were used for the Dragon Box). Even if they cleaned it up as good as possible, it will never be superior to the original. Success breeds dirt.

My 2 cents.

Anyways, this IS big news, no matter how you think of it. Finally, FUNImation has redeemed themselves quite a bit for their past mistakes by releasing the damn 291 episodes ON dvd (High defination!!), WITH interchangeable audio, WITH Daimao's subtitles. The good thing is the fact that they're being released together, so new fans like me can finally buy ALL the DVDs (At a cheap price too!)

The widescreen thing does suck, but it's being released in February. Maybe it's not too late for them to change it?

And wait...the entire series being released on DVD with the first set containing 39 episodes. So, what, 5-10 box sets?[/quote]

[ect5150]

I really, really hope this widescreen thing is only an option and that they also offer the 4:3 footage on the discs as well. C'mon FUNi, don't mess this thing up...

For them to do this, they'd have to include 2 video streams, so we'd basically double that number of 900 minutes to 1800 minutes. Across, 5 discs that gives 6 hours of video per disc. Can you think of any single DVD out there that has 6 hours of high quality video? I only mentioned the above Return of the King, because I'd consider it a high quality encode and its 3.5 hours long (fantastic movie BTW). But with 6 hours of stuff, that might be stretching the bit rate too low to have a high quality release.

By comparison, the Dragon Ball DVDs have 7 and 8 episodes on them, and when the source was good the video quality was pretty decent on some of the episodes (some of the Piccolo Daimao eps come to mind).

Personally, I think things would be perfect if they only did widescreen on the movies. Who knows, maybe they'll do a "widescreen" release as well as a "fullscreen" release? Companies do that all the time for normal films.

[Li'l Lemmy]

All right, all right.

Lately, Nearly every other post in this thread is about yes/no to the widescreen format. Everyone's panicking all of a sudden. Granted, I suppose they have a right to do so-- widescreen, WTF?! . . . and I certainly wouldn't want to impede on everyone's right to free speech.

But after years of how FUNi has treated DBZ, I think this time we need to go on a little faith here. I think we need to believe. Regardless of the fact that we're at no more than the evening of the press release, that we still have a good three months to go-- this FEELS to me like the time when they will surprise the hell out of us all and finally get everything right in one way or another.

Lemmy's Conscience: (even if they don't I'm still buying this even if they don't I'm still buying this even if they don't I'm still buying this even if they don't I'm still buying this even if they don't I'm still buying this even if they don't I'm still buying this even if they don't I'm still buying this-- widescreen or no!!)

My opinion is this: I'll bet almost anything that this widescreen business is going to be an option. Whether by menu design or entirely separate releases, I believe in that. And you ALL want me to be right. If I turn out to be wrong, then so be it . . . but until we have confirmation of what's exactly what, we have dick.

So I think we should give FUNi some credit while we can and see what turns up. Believe with me!

For them to do this, they'd have to include 2 video streams, so we'd basically double that number of 900 minutes to 1800 minutes. Across, 5 discs that gives 6 hours of video per disc. Can you think of any single DVD out there that has 6 hours of high quality video? I only mentioned the above Return of the King, because I'd consider it a high quality encode and its 3.5 hours long (fantastic movie BTW). But with 6 hours of stuff, that might be stretching the bit rate too low to have a high quality release.

P'tak! Away with your . . . LOGIC!! (*returns to his fantasy land*)



(Am I drunk? Find out next time . . .)

[fps_anth]

I was just watching one of my R2 DVDs...after close inspection, there is room for improvement in quality. If you don't know what I mean, pop in an R2 DVD or DBZ D-Box DVD, and look closely at the screen. There's a lot of crap seen on the screen, expecially the backrounds. If you want to see it even clearer, fulscreen the DVD on Windows Media Player. You see, Funimation could possibly provide us with "better then D-Box" quality. Yummy.

And wait...the entire series being released on DVD with the first set containing 39 episodes. So, what, 5-10 box sets?

I've been thinking about that. It's probably going to be VERY general, something like this:

Saiyan Saga (Or as they like to call it, Vegeta saga)
Namek Saga (This is where I get confused. Either they include the Ginyu episodes in this set or save them for the beginning of the next one)
Freeza Saga
Garlic Junior Saga (*shudders*)
Android Saga (Trunks until the shell of Cell is found)
Cell Saga
World Tournament Saga (Or something like "Majin" saga. Goes from Dai Kaio's tournament until Majin Buu is released from his shell)
Majin Buu Saga

I doubt that they will get any more general then that. They might break up the last one into two parts, but that's a maybe. Hopefully they will keep the box sets in a low number, similar to the list I have above.

[Li'l Lemmy]

I've been thinking about that. It's probably going to be VERY general, something like this:

Saiyan Saga (Or as they like to call it, Vegeta saga)
Namek Saga (This is where I get confused. Either they include the Ginyu episodes in this set or save them for the beginning of the next one)
Freeza Saga
Garlic Junior Saga (*shudders*)
Android Saga (Trunks until the shell of Cell is found)
Cell Saga
World Tournament Saga (Or something like "Majin" saga. Goes from Dai Kaio's tournament until Majin Buu is released from his shell)
Majin Buu Saga

I doubt that they will get any more general then that. They might break up the last one into two parts, but that's a maybe. Hopefully they will keep the box sets in a low number, similar to the list I have above.

I've been thinking about it, too. Though I would discourage getting too ahead of ourselves in this manner, we all know it's fun as hell . . . so here's my thoughts:

Assuming that future sets will contain a similar number of episodes (30-40), here's a hypothesis of how I see the math breaking down:

Season 1 = 39 Episodes (Vegeta)
Season 2 = 32 Episodes (Namek)
Season 3 = 39 Episodes (Ginyu/Freeza)
Season 4 = 34 Episodes (Garlic Jr., likely to be included with Androids/Imperfect Cell)
Season 5 = 40 Episodes (Perfect Cell/Cell Games)
Season 6 = 40 Episodes (Great Saiyaman/World Tournament/Babidi)
Season 7 = 31 Episodes (Majin Buu)
Season 8 = 46 Episodes (Fusion/Kid Buu??) -- I'm not sure about this one.

This is taking into account where logically I would see the sets breaking off, based on where they chose to begin/end each of the previously released boxed sets. FUNi may instead end up choosing to end a set a few episodes into another saga or a few episodes short of one this time around, but we'll just have to wait and see.

Personally, I like them better the way you've calculated them to be. I would hate for them to break apart sagas. But somehow I just can't see them releasing as many episodes per set as your figures would suggest. (50+ in some spots!)

[the1payday]

I would much rather see a release of about 4 boxes total. Something like this:

Vegeta- (Beginning to Vegeta's departure)
Freeza- (above to right before trunks...or possibly even up until the team leaves to fight the androids?)
Cell- (above point to end of cell games)
Buu- (right after cell games until end of series)

I know that since the latter sagas would have around 75-120 episodes, they would have to charge a lot more for those sets. I say let 'em do it. I'd much rather pay a little more to have 4 sets rather then 15 or so. It also doesn't give them an excuse to keep screwing around on release dates. Let's see them all out by mid-2007

[Li'l Lemmy]

I would much rather see a release of about 4 boxes total. Something like this:

Vegeta- (Beginning to Vegeta's departure)
Freeza- (above to right before trunks...or possibly even up until the team leaves to fight the androids?)
Cell- (above point to end of cell games)
Buu- (right after cell games until end of series)

I think we would ALL like to see something like that. But I don't know how feasible it would be, considering that there's probably more money to be made in stretching out the series at least a little bit.

Four boxes is absolutely perfect, but eight or nine isn't so bad either. (For me, anyway.)

I know that since the latter sagas would have around 75-120 episodes, they would have to charge a lot more for those sets. I say let 'em do it. I'd much rather pay a little more to have 4 sets rather then 15 or so. It also doesn't give them an excuse to keep screwing around on release dates. Let's see them all out by mid-2007

I'd pay for the series that way too, but I still can't see it happening . . . yet. I say that the SECOND set will be the best determination of things to come. If it's just Namek, then I say we're in for eight boxes or more, but if it includes Ginyu and Freeza then there's a possibility that they might actually keep some of the larger sagas together later on down the road.

Mid 2007, though? I don't know about that. I think I heard somewhere that the releases would be 3-6 months apart at the very least. Let me check my sources and get back to you on that.

[fps_anth]

I would much rather see a release of about 4 boxes total. Something like this:

Vegeta- (Beginning to Vegeta's departure)
Freeza- (above to right before trunks...or possibly even up until the team leaves to fight the androids?)
Cell- (above point to end of cell games)
Buu- (right after cell games until end of series)

I know that since the latter sagas would have around 75-120 episodes, they would have to charge a lot more for those sets. I say let 'em do it. I'd much rather pay a little more to have 4 sets rather then 15 or so. It also doesn't give them an excuse to keep screwing around on release dates. Let's see them all out by mid-2007

Yeah, I'd love that too. But its probably way to general for Funi. I mean, it is possible, but I'm leaning towards atleast 6-8 boxes.

Atleast they won't be as specific as the original DVD run. (Which probably would have looked like "Raditz, Snake Way, Nappa, Vegeta, Space Ride etc.)

[Li'l Lemmy]

EVERYONE SHOULD PUT THEIR EYES AND POSSIBLY OTHER BODY PARTS ON THE FOLLOWING:

Here's what we can tell you... We're going to have some exclusive information coming next weekend. You're not only going to want to tune into the podcast for our one-year anniversary show and amazing interview, but also for this exclusive low-down on the upcoming remastered sets, only from Daizenshuu EX.

Until then, continue drooling.

Clever bastards. You know something we don't? Are you hiding things from *us*, your PUBLIC?!

I could read so much into just the "exclusive information" part-- but I'm not going to. No, I'm going to download the glorious podcast like always and see what happens . . . which is exactly what you want, I'm sure!

(Bastard.)

[BrollysKin]

You speak of the podcast as if it were the word of God.

[Li'l Lemmy]

In this case? It may very well be. And remember, there are twelve commandments and not just ten!

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