Goku not being able to lift 40 tons.

[Bullza]

There's no way he weighs less than 10 stone.

[singsing]

Goku weighs 137 lbs

Is this legit? I weigh 140, I'm 5'7, I work out, and I'll tell you...I do not look like this:

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or this:

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The man is clearly 5'8-5'10 and 170+lb.

The character bio's show ALL the characters have freakishly low weight for the muscle mass.

[Doctor.]

Those two shots are from Goku right after a power-up, Super Saiyan and Kaioken x3 (or 2) respectively.

[Tectorman]

@Fadeddreams5:

Originally, I thought the same thing. Goku is presented as an imposing and heroic figure. Not super tall, but tall enough that he should feel at home in any basketball team. Piccolo looked as though he would be tall for a basketball player and Super Buu should've been pushing eight feet (minus the lekku).

But 5'7" and 137 lbs? It didn't make sense.

Then I realized that I was looking at it through the lens of American expectations of height. We have a certain standard expectation for the height at which cameras depict individuals. It should be eye height with that expectation and when characters match that height, they're expected to be pushing six feet.

So when we see anime characters matching the height of the "cameras" that depict them, we expect those "cameras" to be like our "cameras". But they're not. They're shorter, so an imposing and heroic figure over there doesn't have to be as tall to still present that way to the camera. Then it all made sense to me.

Another way to look at it: You see a figure standing in a room. The top of his head appears to be three-fourths of the way to the ceiling. If you come from a culture that expects rooms to have ten foot ceilings, then you expect him to be 7'6". But if you find out that the room was actually only eight feet tall, then he has to be only six feet tall. Right?

...

But to answer your question, yes. Goku is 5'7" and 137 lbs according to every source I've seen.

[dbzfan7]

Goku is 175cm according to the Super Exciting guide.

The conversion leads to just under 5'9 with a 5'8(57/64). Only in decimal form do we get 5.7.
http://www.metric-conversions.org/lengt ... o-feet.htm

[Presto88]

Just another one of the examples of the poor writing and inconsistency prevalent in the Buu Saga, honestly don't get caught up too much in the numbers, the scene wasn't about how much he could lift, but more of a means to show how much power he gained from going SS.

Just to give you a quick run down on numbers, the best I figure we have in the series is while Goku was training in preparation for Namek, he was stated to have trained at 100x earth's normal gravity. If you assign Goku a weight of approximately 70kg which is a little higher than the official weight given, as he is more in the 65kg area (this just keeps things nice and round and makes it a little easier to explain).

During this time his body weighed approximately 7t, with that in mind we can get a rough indication of what the guy could bench, thereby giving us an idea of what he could lift/move. Any elite athlete worth their merits can bench twice their body weight, especially when they are at the lower end of the weight spectrum, so its safe to assume that during this time Goku could have benched 14t....but wait, thats not entirely true is it, he was actually shown to still maintain some degree of super human speed and movement while at this weight. This means that at this time the 7t did not strain or slow him down enough to significantly halt his movement and speed, therefore he could have theoretically benched 10,100,1000x what his body weight was even back then. Now lets remember his PL at the time, 90 000, fast forward to the time the feat in question was performed and we have a Goku with a base level of at least 90 000 0000 (fair but lower end estimate). So he is literally 1000x more powerful than he was on Namek, in a worst case scenario, do I really need to go on?

[Dayspring]

The reason it's harder to lift it while flying is because it becomes the equivalent of lifting over 80 tons by virtue of doing two separate tasks. He's using his ki to lift his bodyweight and the 40 tons off the ground. He's not just flying and doing nothing, though, but rather he's also using his ki to power his muscles into lifting the weights in kicking and punching motions.

For example, I weight 220lbs. If I were to do an overhead press of 135lbs, then I'd be lifting 135lbs. If I were to do that while flying, I'd be lifting that combined weight of 355lbs off the ground and then lifting 135lbs over my head. That gets me a total of 490lbs being lifted by my power, despite only having one 135lb bar.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

He lifted and threw a whole car in chapter one (and the car was based on a real life one that weights 1 tonne). No matter how we look at it, base Goku having trouble lifting 40 tonnes, even if he is flying while doing, doesn't make much sense.

Doesn't that prove that ki & strength/speed, even though they increase together, don't increase equally?

[The Monkey King]

He lifted and threw a whole car in chapter one (and the car was based on a real life one that weights 1 tonne). No matter how we look at it, base Goku having trouble lifting 40 tonnes, even if he is flying while doing, doesn't make much sense.

Doesn't that prove that ki & strength/speed, even though they increase together, don't increase equally?

Since the characters are shown over powering/holding back ki blasts with physical strength I wouldn't say so.

[rereboy]

He lifted and threw a whole car in chapter one (and the car was based on a real life one that weights 1 tonne). No matter how we look at it, base Goku having trouble lifting 40 tonnes, even if he is flying while doing, doesn't make much sense.

Doesn't that prove that ki & strength/speed, even though they increase together, don't increase equally?

No, because Taopaipai pillar throwing feat requires WAY more strength than lifting 40 tons. The 40 tons are just inconsistent no matter how you look at it.

The reason it's harder to lift it while flying is because it becomes the equivalent of lifting over 80 tons by virtue of doing two separate tasks.

Like I stated, lifting 1 ton in the air could be the equivalent of lifting 10.000 tons in the ground, and it still wouldn't make much sense for Goku to not be able to do it.

[Angelus]

By the way, the 40 tons thing was filler, with South Kai and Papoi present.

Also, this 40 tons weight was done on a planet that had 10 times Earth gravity.

[dbgtFO]

By the way, the 40 tons thing was filler, with South Kai and Papoi present.

Also, this 40 tons weight was done on a planet that had 10 times Earth gravity.

1) It was not filler, it was in the manga too, just without Papoi.
2) That has yet to be confirmed anywhere.

[Bullza]

Even if it were in 10x gravity it'd still be 40 tons.

[Darkprince410]

By the way, the 40 tons thing was filler, with South Kai and Papoi present.

Also, this 40 tons weight was done on a planet that had 10 times Earth gravity.

1) Not filler:

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Furthermore, even though he's not shown like he was in the anime, Papoi is at least mentioned.

South Kaio: “In my South Area, there’s an amazingly strong guy called Papoi! Compared to him, a guy like [Goku] is noo—oothing special!”

2) At no point is it ever indicated in any source (manga, Daizenshuu, etc) that the planet Goku is on has a gravity level of 10x Earth's. In fact, outside of North Kaiou's old planet, which he obviously isn't on for that part, there's never an indication of higher than Earth's gravity anywhere in the afterlife.

[Angelus]

Oh! WTF! I always thought that those scenes that showed the other Kais... West, South, and East were all filler. So, which other Kai appeared in the manga? Did they appear in the filler anime first?

Didn't King Kai's planet get restored though? Where was Goku training in that scene? Grand Kai's planet was just filler?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

It's just North and South Kaio in the manga (though Toriyama designed Dai Kaio).

The scene with the weights was in there. They were training in Heaven, but Southy was without Papoi.

[Angelus]

And where did this training happen? On King Kai's planet? Because this training would be occurring just right before the 25th WMAT, right? King Kai's planet was restored by then... or is this on Grand Kai's planet (wasn't this planet filler)?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Like I said in the last post, they were training in Heaven. Like the literal Heaven planet:



Kaio's planet is never restored until Battle of Gods. Dai Kaio's planet is also a real place in Toriyama's cosmos (it's above Heaven, but goes unlabeled in this image), but we never see it in the manga.

[Angelus]

Oh! We never saw that in the anime, the actual Heaven planet. Interesting!

[Kamiccolo9]

Oh! We never saw that in the anime, the actual Heaven planet. Interesting!

Yes you did. The scenes with Bulma, Chi-Chi, Videl, and hippie Dabura.