Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[MasterVampire]

I dont see how Freeza is a joke.

He fought Vegeta but couldn't beat him.

Even with his new bullshit power up it wasn't enough which is kinda like a defeat.

[GodOfTheSaiyans]

Although not the new name of the new ssjblue know ??

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Even Cooler's Revenge and the first Broly movie are better than this garbage.

Right, because you have seen the movie?

I have no idea why this keeps being used as an argument. You can dislike something without seeing it just based on information. For example, if I dislike the general premise of bringing Freeza back and sidelining everybody except Goku and Vegeta, that's grounds enough for me to dislike this movie, regardless of whatever else happens.

Wow!! That is the silliest thing I have read.

[Gonstead]

Even Cooler's Revenge and the first Broly movie are better than this garbage.

Right, because you have seen the movie?

I have no idea why this keeps being used as an argument. You can dislike something without seeing it just based on information. For example, if I dislike the general premise of bringing Freeza back and sidelining everybody except Goku and Vegeta, that's grounds enough for me to dislike this movie, regardless of whatever else happens.

Well, sure, you technically can but your opinion of said disliked material will be severely limited when asked why.

"Oh, I didn't watch it. It just sounded bad."

It's a terrible way of creating an opinion on something which you have never even laid eyes on and are basing your own opinion on what others have said. It might as well not be an opinion at all.

[Saiga]

If 18's part is as kei17 presents it, and I have no reason to doubt him/her, then this movie just crossed the line from "bland, illogical, and bad" to "bland, illogical, and insultingly bad". It makes no sense at all from an in-universe point of view, since 18 is like a hundred times stronger than Krillin, and is supposed to be the dominant one in the relationship to begin with. I see no reason for her to stay back; it's even less logical than Goten, Trunks, and Buu staying out of it, even though they're all stronger than her.

Like, I'm not one to accuse someone of sexism at the drop of a hat, but some of Toriyama's recent material is very questionable in that regard. First, the only females in BOG served to get slapped or carry babies. Then, Goku's mom is revealed in DBM to be the complete opposite of every other saiyan we've seen, and also a useless weakling who was sent to work in the kitchen because she was such a load in combat that not even her husband wanted her on the team. Now, the strongest female character in the cast, who also happens to be stronger than many of the male characters that actually showed up, has to sit the movie out, because her much weaker husband told her to. Finally, her response to being told to stay home and watch the kid while her husband goes out to do stuff is a completely OOC "he's so cool". It's just suspicious, that's all.

I agree. I also found with worse than Goten/Trunks/Boo not appearing. Boo's isn't really insulting in that they actually wanted him present, but couldn't have that. The fact that Goten and Trunks are cheeky little idiots isn't enough to make sense of them being left out, but at least it's an established part of their characters.

18's is just.. ehhhh. For starters, unlike the others she actually shows up. And she's still not allowed to fight, even after expressing a desire to. Marron would be in less danger if 18 was on the frontlines, because then there would be far less chance of the enemies getting through or winning the fight, and Kuririn is in more danger on the frontlines than Marron would be staying back. It just doesn't make sense, and actually reminds me of the "hold the fort" trope commonly used in fiction where a powerful/adult character has to convince a weaker/child character to stay out of a fight. "I have a very important task for you. You need to stay back here and protect everyone, it's the most important thing of all. That's why I'm trusting it to you". It's practically a stock phrase, and it's exactly what Kuririn does to #18 here.

Having 18 show up, be told what to do by her man and swooning over it, might have been worse than just not having her show up and giving her some reason like that she thought the battles were beneath her, since she only knows Freeza as this one guy she was already stronger than. But the best result would be to actually have her fight. She's never really fought for the good side before, she's hardly fought at all and could use the time more than most of the other fighters present, and it'd be a lot cuter watching her save Kuririn than thinking he's cool.

I agree on the final paragraph as well. I'm not one to call this out often, and I'd say I'd see Dragon Ball as less sexist than a large number of other fans (I wouldn't call the manga sexist, except possibly for the way it treats sexual assault. Dunno how that plays into it). But a lot of the recent material, is at the very least, eyebrow-raising. It's even making me question earlier parts of the manga involving Kuririn and #18, because it looks more and more like she was never anything but his prize.

"Oh, I didn't watch it. It just sounded bad."

It's much closer to "everything I've seen looked bad, and I saw no reason to expect the rest of the product would be different". It's not like we don't already know quite a lot about the film at this point.

[RandomGuy96]

Well, sure, you technically can but your opinion of said disliked material will be severely limited when asked why.

"Oh, I didn't watch it. It just sounded bad."

It's a terrible way of creating an opinion on something which you have never even laid eyes on and are basing your own opinion on what others have said. It might as well not be an opinion at all.

No, I can actually cite reasons why I would dislike it, from both accounts of people who have seen it, and promotional material (such as trailers) specifically intended to summarize the and hype up the movie. Reasons such as "Freeza is the main villain, and I just think that's just a boring idea. Plus, I don't like Freeza". Or "my favorite characters aren't in it". Or "there doesn't seem to be anything to the plot other than fight fight fight". Et cetera.

Again, the idea that you need to actually see something to have an opinion is idiotic. What would actually seeing a plot in motion affect when someone already knows the plot and dislikes it?

[Sshadow5001]

http://kotaku.com/new-dragon-ball-anime ... 1694720725

Kotaku mentions Kanzenshuu and Kei17 in their post

[JamesOwnz]

Even Cooler's Revenge and the first Broly movie are better than this garbage.

Right, because you have seen the movie?

I have no idea why this keeps being used as an argument. You can dislike something without seeing it just based on information. For example, if I dislike the general premise of bringing Freeza back and sidelining everybody except Goku and Vegeta, that's grounds enough for me to dislike this movie, regardless of whatever else happens.

But everyone but goku and vegeta have been sidelined for a long time already.

[bubibartra]

The argument is simple: all this training, simple training.

Freezer is a lesson for Goku, Goku looks like all die to learn to be merciful. Goku then kill Friezzer with treachery and cheating. Interesting,

Next will be a lesson for Vegeta with a Bulma pregnant in danger.

When we finish the lessons, the real enemy appears,

[Low Tone G]

The argument is simple: all this training, simple training.

Freezer is a lesson for Goku, Goku looks like all die to learn to be merciful. Goku then kill Friezzer with treachery and cheating. Interesting,

Next will be a lesson for Vegeta with a Bulma pregnant in danger.

When we finish the lessons, the real enemy appears,

Really, do you think so? I personally don't see any new movie after this one, there isn't any hints that Toriyama will continue making up new stories. He said the characters in EOZ are too old, and there is only 4-5 years till EOZ from now, not mention that the remaining period is described to be peaceful.

[sintzu]

I personally don't see any new movie after this one.

there isn't any hints that Toriyama will continue making up new stories.

With the amount of $$$ BOG made and the amount this one will make I'll be surprised if we don't get at least one more.

Whis is the strongest character in the story and we know little to nothing about him.
We know there are 12 universes yet we've only seen one.

I don't think he would write these 2 if he wasn't going to use them later on.

[bubibartra]

The argument is simple: all this training, simple training.

Freezer is a lesson for Goku, Goku looks like all die to learn to be merciful. Goku then kill Friezzer with treachery and cheating. Interesting,

Next will be a lesson for Vegeta with a Bulma pregnant in danger.

When we finish the lessons, the real enemy appears,

Really, do you think so? I personally don't see any new movie after this one, there isn't any hints that Toriyama will continue making up new stories. He said the characters in EOZ are too old, and there is only 4-5 years till EOZ from now, not mention that the remaining period is described to be peaceful.

The role of Whiss is in the air ...

Whis is the best thing that Toriyama done since the original Freezer .
Wish has made Goku run out mercy, and goku is a cheater in this film . Sweet


Toriyama end it, Sure

[ShaneisMC]

If theres no third movie after this considering how the ending is...... its kinda weird to say the least. Its like these past two movies were just made for the hell of it if they dont expand some more. I would feel much better and have a sense of reasoning behind it all if at the end of the last movie the final scene is either everyone gathering at the final budokai or something to that affect. Just bring it full circle, tie it back into the already existing material or something, otherwise it just seems random.

[Low Tone G]

I personally don't see any new movie after this one.

there isn't any hints that Toriyama will continue making up new stories.

With the amount of $$$ BOG made and the amount this one will make I'll be surprised if we don't get at least one more.

Whis is the strongest character in the story and we know little to nothing about him.
We know there are 12 universes yet we've only seen one.

I don't think he would write these 2 if he wasn't going to use them later on.

Not really... this film will end without any surprise, without any base to go on with. Freeza is dead... his army is dead, Sorbet is also dead, no one will resurrect Freeza again. Toriyama mentiones the characters are useless in EoZ, so Goku will train with his younger son after this film.. The other universes are still too big hunk to explore them in this short period of time which is peaceful. My only hopes were in this film to uncover something more about other universes and possibly to uncover 1 year of advatures in other worlds in a third film.

[sintzu]

Did anyone bring up how much time had based since BOG ?

[bubibartra]

I personally don't see any new movie after this one.

there isn't any hints that Toriyama will continue making up new stories.

With the amount of $$$ BOG made and the amount this one will make I'll be surprised if we don't get at least one more.

Whis is the strongest character in the story and we know little to nothing about him.
We know there are 12 universes yet we've only seen one.

I don't think he would write these 2 if he wasn't going to use them later on.

Not really... this film will end without any surprise, without any base to go on with. Freeza is dead... his army is dead, Sorbet is also dead, no one will resurrect Freeza again. Toriyama mentiones the character are useless in EoZ, so Goku will train with his younger son after this film.. The other universes are still too big hunk to explore then in this short period of time which is peaceful. My only hopes were in this film to uncover something more about other universes and possibly to uncover 1 year of advatures in other worlds in a third film.

Freezer is not important.
He is just a sparring.

Important is why Whiss help them...

[sintzu]

This film will end without any surprise, without any base to go on with.

The surprises don't have to be at the end so until we know all the details we can't say that there wasn't any hints to new stories and even if there wasn't we still have Whis and the 12 universes to explore.

[SSJGFrieza]

The wait and suspense for Julian's summary is killing me

[Low Tone G]

This film will end without any surprise, without any base to go on with.

The surprises don't have to be at the end so until we know all the details we can't say that there wasn't any hints to new stories and even if there wasn't we still have Whis and the 12 universes to explore.

My point is that this Freeza movie was completely useless, if Toriyama really wanted to continue the story in the future and being that Toriyama likes Freeza(because he is a being that incorporates his worst fears), I'd say that he just wanted to close the story with his ultimate defeat. I'm still waiting for the summary, but the reason that I want to watch the film is to see Beerus and Whis once again, as them being indeed entertaining characters.

[Friezacooler]

So from what I understand Freeza didn't lose, as long as his elite's and dragon balls are still there.