Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[ShadowWolf87]

We are you getting that it was a training session for Goku and Vegeta? If you are talking Kei17's comment, then wasn't that just his interpretation? Freeza knocked down Goku and blew up Earth, if it weren't for Whis then Freeza would have had the perfect revenge, hardly ruined his image at all.

Judging by the spoilers Freeza never had a chance against either of them.

He only beat Goku with interference from Sorbet and then got whooped by Vegeta.

He was stomping Goku until Goku found a potential weak point and exploited it. Were it not for that they were screwed, man.

Credit where Credit's due, Freeza was a legitimate threat, Goku just strategized and found a means to even the odds.

[Lord Beerus]

If you watch Dragon Ball expecting serious plot and character development, you're going to have a bad time.

Nobody's talking Oscar drama stories and characterization. But action shows require strong plotting and character arcs to become more than just action romps, early DBZ delivered that and is the reason this show got as huge as it did. Case in point - is Buu saga the most popular? Nope. It's Saiyan/Namek/Android/Cell arcs, with strongest plot, heaviest character arcs, biggest lore dumps and world building etc.

I'd say the Majin Boo arc did just as much world building as the previous arcs did.

[Mystic Tien]

-Frieza revived ever since DB and DBZ anime was released Freeza had always been one of the best arch enemy the franchise had (at least for me)

Was beaten like some kind of a joke by a single Kamehameha.

Man, why is everyone acting like he went back and nuked a fresh Freeza? A weakened, desperate Freeza gets taken down before he can destroy the planet and suddenly we talk like they made him fodder.

My problem with it is actually that Frieza wasn't defeated in a long and actual fight, but was defeated because of Goku cheating, eating senzu and going back in time, finishing Frieza with just one Kamehameha. There is a fair question then, why Vegeta couldn't do the same, if by the time fight between him and Frieza started, Frieza was already quite weakened and weary?

[Basaku]

I'd say the Majin Boo arc did just as much world building as the previous arcs did.

But it's story was bare-bones, Goku got even dumber than before and other characters barely had any developement other than Vegeta. So yeah.

[Gonstead]

What would actually seeing a plot in motion affect when someone already knows the plot and dislikes it?

Because you will actually be experiencing the main product for yourself to determine if what is said about the movie holds true instead of relying on hearsay, trailers which aren't representative of the full complete product and very, VERY basic and nitpicky details at best.

Here, let me give you some examples of my own experiences.

Batman and Robin - Regarded as the worst Superhero movie of all time for various reasons. While I can understand the view, I didn't think it was too bad. The side-story on Alfred and the resolution was pretty swell.

Batman Begins - High ratings across the net and praised for being innovative and refreshing. After viewing, I think it's a total letdown on what I read up about it. Also boring. Just felt unnecessarily dragged and misuse of a Batman villain who becomes a total joke by the time Rises came out.

The Madoka Magica movies - They're compilation movies, which in the world of anime means squeezing episodes into a movie form and cutting out content, which usually doesn't hold well for most fans. Although there were a few hiccups, I actually was pretty okay with them in the end since the pacing held up well enough and the redubbed dialogue + visuals gives a new experience not able to be had in the TV series.

Hellsing (TV) - Ugly cheap art, only adapts not even half of the manga before going full-original story, ends on a cliffhanger and re-arranges story events. Has some pretty decent focus on one of the main characters coming to terms with what they were which was lacking in the Manga and the music is A+ material which was very missed when the OVA series started coming out.

Surely at some point in your life you have watched a movie and had a vastly different opinion on a movie than someone else has or at least viewed something and came to the same conclusion as another person without seeing what others have said, right?

But hey, it's your own fault for spoiling yourself on the plot and if you choose to not watch it, I'm certainly not stopping you from doing so. Just note you have nobody else but yourself to blame.

[Beerus-sama]

Maybe because he wasnt that serious (only if he felt like it), maybe he remembered something that happened between them that he didnt like?
and why interfere when there are people able to control him and willing to protect their planet?

Maybe he asked Goku and Vegeta to kill Freeza in his place? Maybe he wanted to test them, or to see how people who he began to respect may defeat the person he dislikes?

We dont actually know what happened between Beerus and Freeza, this should be something to elaborate in a new movie/special or something. (I would like that)
For what I have read, this is part of Whis test as their new master.

And Beerus wouldnt even fight Freeza to destroy him so it wouldnt be fun.

[Lord Beerus]

But Vegeta, Piccolo, Tenshinhan. Even Gohan himself had a lot of character development. This time they could do a lot with Beerus... But as I understand from Kei's comment, they didn't. I still hope that they'll develop/reveal more about Whis in the next movie if there ever is one.

They had some development, mostly Vegeta and Piccolo, but compared to plot and development in serious film or literature, we may as well say that it's non existent. I think the nostalgic factor blinds people from seeing the flaws of the original Dragon Ball Z*, and they only notice it when someting new comes out. Z is nothing more than a series of battles and training sessions with some humor mixed it, that's it.

*It's not really a flaw though, because it's a shonen manga, not Shakespeare, so it isn't really supposed to have serious plot and character development.

But Dragon Ball Z is just a continuation of Dragon Ball. It's only treated as a completely different show or series by Toei for the sake of convenience and differentiation. Z picks up from where the King Piccolo arc ended.

[ShadowWolf87]

If 18's part is as kei17 presents it, and I have no reason to doubt him/her, then this movie just crossed the line from "bland, illogical, and bad" to "bland, illogical, and insultingly bad". It makes no sense at all from an in-universe point of view, since 18 is like a hundred times stronger than Krillin, and is supposed to be the dominant one in the relationship to begin with. I see no reason for her to stay back; it's even less logical than Goten, Trunks, and Buu staying out of it, even though they're all stronger than her.

To be fair, 18 DOES say "but I'm far stronger than you," and Krillin says he's fine because he's still thinking that Freeza is very weak at the point.

Ah, an implication that Krililn had at least surpassed 1st form Freeza.
This can only be good
EDIT: Although Krilln could be thinking Gohan and Piccolo would take care of it It ends up being ambigious that way and we won't get closer to finding out, oh well nevermind...

Wasn't that already implied back in Yo when he was actually eager for a chance to fight enemies with the same power as Freeza?

[Lord Beerus]

I'd say the Majin Boo arc did just as much world building as the previous arcs did.

But it's story was bare-bones, Goku got even dumber than before and other characters barely had any developement other than Vegeta. So yeah.

All of the arcs in Z didn't have much meat in their plot, with the exceptions of perhaps the Freeza arc and the Android arc.

And only Vegeta got character development? What about Mr Satan? Majin Boo? Videl?

[Chuquita]

It's 11pm in Japan, so I guess maybe late today EST we'll get a summary?

[mAcChaos]

Wasn't that already implied back in Yo when he was actually eager for a chance to fight enemies with the same power as Freeza?

It's easy to be eager when your friends who can all one-shot him are with you.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Oh man gotta love Toriyama, Freeza finally becomes Gold only to find out Blue is the new Super Saiyan

[Mystic Tien]

I'd say the Majin Boo arc did just as much world building as the previous arcs did.

But it's story was bare-bones, Goku got even dumber than before and other characters barely had any developement other than Vegeta. So yeah.

Well, the story and especially backstory (Kaioshins vs Buu) was actually quite good, the real problem for me was that it wasn't actually connected with anything, unlike previous arcs were. Androids saga was connected with Frieza saga by Frieza himself and Red Ribbon army from the early Dragon Ball. Saiyan Saga was connected with previous arcs of Dragon Ball by revealing nature of Piccolo's race and revealing nature of Goku's race as well. But Buu arc kind of didn't have these connections. The major one was Vegeta's character even further developing, showing his relationships with Trunks and Bulma, but other than that we didn't get to learn much about Goku, Piccolo or pretty much any old characters from earlier arcs, nor we had earlier characters reappearing. This is only my problem with it though.

[UpFromTheSkies]

But Vegeta, Piccolo, Tenshinhan. Even Gohan himself had a lot of character development. This time they could do a lot with Beerus... But as I understand from Kei's comment, they didn't. I still hope that they'll develop/reveal more about Whis in the next movie if there ever is one.

They had some development, mostly Vegeta and Piccolo, but compared to plot and development in serious film or literature, we may as well say that it's non existent. I think the nostalgic factor blinds people from seeing the flaws of the original Dragon Ball Z*, and they only notice it when someting new comes out. Z is nothing more than a series of battles and training sessions with some humor mixed it, that's it.

*It's not really a flaw though, because it's a shonen manga, not Shakespeare, so it isn't really supposed to have serious plot and character development.

But Dragon Ball Z is just a continuation of Dragon Ball. It's only treated as a completely different show or series by Toei for the sake of convenience and differentiation. Z picks up from where the King Piccolo arc ended.

I know, they were planning to end the series and added a Z to indicate it was the "final chapter", but it was so successful that they kept making it.

[Lord Beerus]

Maybe because he wasnt that serious (only if he felt like it), maybe he remembered something that happened between them that he didnt like?
and why interfere when there are people able to control him and willing to protect their planet?

Maybe he asked Goku and Vegeta to kill Freeza in his place? Maybe he wanted to test them, or to see how people who he began to respect may defeat the person he dislikes?

We dont actually know what happened between Beerus and Freeza, this should be something to elaborate in a new movie/special or something. (I would like that)
For what I have read, this is part of Whis test as their new master.

And Beerus wouldnt even fight Freeza to destroy him so it wouldnt be fun.

But you know how Beerus is. Even if it may be entirely fun, his mindset would still be to destroy and wreck for the hell of it.

I know, they were planning to end the series and added a Z to indicate it was the "final chapter", but it was so successful that they kept making it.

And you got confirmation of this from where?

[UpFromTheSkies]

Oh man gotta love Toriyama, Freeza finally becomes Gold only to find out Blue is the new Super Saiyan

Is it confirmed there is actually a blue transformation in the movie?

[Ajay]

Oh man gotta love Toriyama, Freeza finally becomes Gold only to find out Blue is the new Super Saiyan

Is it confirmed there is actually a blue transformation in the movie?

Yeah, Kei confirmed it in the middle of him answering my other questions - http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 87#p900887

[UpFromTheSkies]

I know, they were planning to end the series and added a Z to indicate it was the "final chapter", but it was so successful that they kept making it.

And you got confirmation of this from where?

I don't remember, it was from one of the guide books or interviews. It wasn't mentioned exactly where they were planning to end it, just that it would end soon, thus the Z.

Oh man gotta love Toriyama, Freeza finally becomes Gold only to find out Blue is the new Super Saiyan

Is it confirmed there is actually a blue transformation in the movie?

Yeah, Kei confirmed it in the middle of him answering my other questions - http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtop ... 87#p900887

Hm, should be fun to watch. I wonder if all the blue fan art had an influence on it? I remember someone here showing fan art of a blue haired SSJG Vegeta to some of the Japanese voice actors and they liked it, maybe they mentioned it to Toriyama.

[Mystic Tien]

Videl?

Speaking about Videl, I wonder, what was her role in Fukkatsu no F? Was she only shown to be with Gohan while showing off Pan to Piccolo? I mean she is a daughter of Mister Satan, the world hero, she had a huge desire to surpass her father, and had a strong will to train and become the local super hero, yet what happened with all of it? I am very sad that Videl apparently gets Chichi's treatment. I of course don't expect her fighting with anyone strong, because she is weak as hell, but showing her fighting with crime once or twice or being trained by such guys as Roshi would be good.

[ShadowWolf87]

I know, they were planning to end the series and added a Z to indicate it was the "final chapter", but it was so successful that they kept making it.

And you got confirmation of this from where?

I don't remember, it was from one of the guide books or interviews. It wasn't mentioned exactly where they were planning to end it, just that it would end soon, thus the Z.

I recall reading that Toriyama had intended to actually end it with the Saiyans, which I can actually believe. But I don't know if the man himself has actually outright spoken on it.