Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[SansrivaaL]

Its just hard to see a win from Vegeta against a tired/depleted Frieza. Frieza cheated 1st then Vegeta got a spoonfed enemy then Goku cheated. Fact is the biggest victim here is Goku, he gets slapped in the face that his over confidence took him down real bad, as a warrior thats something he will live in shame as in BoG it seems Goku has some pride now.

[Kamiccolo9]

Incorrect, sirs. It makes his opinion more well-rounded, but not more valid. I don't need to have physically viewed the movie to dislike the things I've heard about it so far. Unless those things were to magically change between now and a time when I would conceivably watch the movie, I can form a general opinion about the movie. I haven't said anything to disparage his opinion, and frankly he's becoming somewhat irritating disparaging mine and those like mine.

Anybody with a lick of sense will agree that having firsthand experience with something makes their criticism more valid than criticism coming from a person with no firsthand experience. You can try to justify yourself all you want, but you're not making an especially good accounting of yourself.

[dbzfan7]

Vegeta won IMO. When you're destroying your opponent and they have to resort to underhanded tactics in order to gain the advantage then that's a victory in my eyes. I really don't care if others agree with me on it or not.

So...19 didn't beat Goku?
SSJ2 Gohan didn't beat Cell because daddy had to help him?
Everybody ganged up on Buu. Did they not really win?

If I'm fighting for my life, and I kick my attacker in the balls in order to save myself, does that not count as a win because of some utterly stupid system of idiotic rules?

Because Vegeta didn't get the kill, they gotta try and make it seem like he still won. As Beerus once said "This isn't a game, you're fighting to live". Considering the victory condition was to kill Freeza, and he didn't, that's a clear loss. It's hilarious how people want weaker people to win by using their brains. Freeza does just that and uses saiyan physiology against Vegeta, but no that doesn't count as it's cheating in a life or death fight.

[TheGmGoken]

Its just hard to see a win from Vegeta against a tired/depleted Freeza. Freeza cheated 1st then Vegeta got a spoonfed enemy then Goku cheated. Fact is the biggest victim here is Goku, he gets slapped in the face that his over confidence took him down real bad, as a warrior thats something he will live in shame as in BoG it seems Goku has some pride now.

From what we KNOW. How was Goku over confident? Seems like Goku just beat Freeza. Freeza turnt gold. Goku notice Freeza has stamina issues. Sorgma distracts Goku. Freeza wins.

Over cocky or shitty luck?

Also how did anyone cheat? It's a fight! Not a Tenkaichi Budokai

[Kamiccolo9]

Vegeta won IMO. When you're destroying your opponent and they have to resort to underhanded tactics in order to gain the advantage then that's a victory in my eyes. I really don't care if others agree with me on it or not.

So...19 didn't beat Goku?
SSJ2 Gohan didn't beat Cell because daddy had to help him?
Everybody ganged up on Buu. Did they not really win?

If I'm fighting for my life, and I kick my attacker in the balls in order to save myself, does that not count as a win because of some utterly stupid system of idiotic rules?

Because Vegeta didn't get the kill, they gotta try and make it seem like he still won. As Beerus once said "This isn't a game, you're fighting to live". Considering the victory condition was to kill Freeza, and he didn't, that's a clear loss. It's hilarious how people want weaker people to win by using their brains. Freeza does just that and uses saiyan physiology against Vegeta, but no that doesn't count as it's cheating in a life or death fight.

Replace Vegeta with Gohan or Gotenks, and watch how all the fanboys start going on about how bad they suck now.

[shinmaru]

Just for the fun of it.

Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:15 am
I won't be surprised if Beerus destroys earth instead of Freeza.

or him defeating Freeza instead of Bejita and Goku.

Looks like a save action, but why that evil smirk on his face?

Why would he destroy earth ?

so... The scene of him creating a ki blast on earth while smiling at someone on the Trailer Z-Warrior Version was a lie?

That's the scene where Beerus stops destroying earth after being told about a sweet dessert by Bulma.

I guessed almost right

[Birusu16]

I still want to know why Beerus was going to destroy Earth? Perhaps because Vegeta and Goku were making far too much noise and disrupted his sleep? Definitely sounds like something Beerus would be quite mad about.

[Zephyr]

Incorrect, sirs. It makes his opinion more well-rounded, but not more valid. I don't need to have physically viewed the movie to dislike the things I've heard about it so far. Unless those things were to magically change between now and a time when I would conceivably watch the movie, I can form a general opinion about the movie. I haven't said anything to disparage his opinion, and frankly he's becoming somewhat irritating disparaging mine and those like mine.

His opinion is more informed. He has a more solid and legitimate epistemic foundation for his conclusions than you, I, and everyone else who have not yet seen the film in action do. This means his has much more merit to it than ours.

What you have is an opinion of the conceptual outline of the narrative. What he has is an opinion of the conceptual outline of the narrative as well as its execution. That means he actually has grounds for an opinion on the film itself as a whole. All we have is grounds for an opinion on the conceptual outline, and nothing more.

Yes, you're just as entitled to your opinion on the film as a whole as he is, once you actually have the grounds to form an opinion on the film as a whole. But you don't have that yet, and he does.

[Kamiccolo9]

I still want to know why Beerus was going to destroy Earth? Perhaps because Vegeta and Goku were making far too much noise and disrupted his sleep? Definitely sounds like something Beerus would be quite mad about.

Look two posts above yours.

[SansrivaaL]

Its just hard to see a win from Vegeta against a tired/depleted Freeza. Freeza cheated 1st then Vegeta got a spoonfed enemy then Goku cheated. Fact is the biggest victim here is Goku, he gets slapped in the face that his over confidence took him down real bad, as a warrior thats something he will live in shame as in BoG it seems Goku has some pride now.

From what we KNOW. How was Goku over confident? Seems like Goku just beat Freeza. Freeza turnt gold. Goku notice Freeza has stamina issues. Sorgma distracts Goku. Freeza wins.

Over cocky or shitty luck?

I took that from Beerus since it looked like in the trailer he was talking to someone saying ''he got soft like you'' or something like that, guess over confidence wasnt the right word tho, also took it from Whis since at ch2 he says that Goku is too relaxed and that his over confidence takes the power out of him.

[Mystic Tien]

Its just hard to see a win from Vegeta against a tired/depleted Freeza. Freeza cheated 1st then Vegeta got a spoonfed enemy then Goku cheated. Fact is the biggest victim here is Goku, he gets slapped in the face that his over confidence took him down real bad, as a warrior thats something he will live in shame as in BoG it seems Goku has some pride now.

From what we KNOW. How was Goku over confident? Seems like Goku just beat Freeza. Freeza turnt gold. Goku notice Freeza has stamina issues. Sorgma distracts Goku. Freeza wins.

Over cocky or shitty luck?

Also how did anyone cheat? It's a fight! Not a Tenkaichi Budokai

Goku certainly cheated, because not only the power which was used - was something beyond any comprehension, but it wasn't even his own. He used a help of Whis to save the Earth. Either way it was doomed.

[Birusu16]

I still want to know why Beerus was going to destroy Earth? Perhaps because Vegeta and Goku were making far too much noise and disrupted his sleep? Definitely sounds like something Beerus would be quite mad about.

Look two posts above yours.

But that doesn't tell me why he was going to destroy Earth. It tells me why he stopped.

[Kamiccolo9]

Its just hard to see a win from Vegeta against a tired/depleted Freeza. Freeza cheated 1st then Vegeta got a spoonfed enemy then Goku cheated. Fact is the biggest victim here is Goku, he gets slapped in the face that his over confidence took him down real bad, as a warrior thats something he will live in shame as in BoG it seems Goku has some pride now.

From what we KNOW. How was Goku over confident? Seems like Goku just beat Freeza. Freeza turnt gold. Goku notice Freeza has stamina issues. Sorgma distracts Goku. Freeza wins.

Over cocky or shitty luck?

Also how did anyone cheat? It's a fight! Not a Tenkaichi Budokai

Goku certainly cheated, because not only the power which was used - was something beyond any comprehension, but it wasn't even his own. He used a help of Whis to save the Earth. Either way it was doomed.

How is it "cheating?" What set of rules are we going by, exactly? I didn't know there was a manual to follow when saving lives form galactic warlords.

[Lord Beerus]

That's the scene where Beerus stops destroying earth after being told about a sweet dessert by Bulma.

That's so Beerus

Beerus loves the dishes that Earth produce as confirmed in BOG.

[dbzfan7]

If I'm fighting for my life, and I kick my attacker in the balls in order to save myself, does that not count as a win because of some utterly stupid system of idiotic rules?

Because Vegeta didn't get the kill, they gotta try and make it seem like he still won. As Beerus once said "This isn't a game, you're fighting to live". Considering the victory condition was to kill Freeza, and he didn't, that's a clear loss. It's hilarious how people want weaker people to win by using their brains. Freeza does just that and uses saiyan physiology against Vegeta, but no that doesn't count as it's cheating in a life or death fight.

Replace Vegeta with Gohan or Gotenks, and watch how all the fanboys start going on about how bad they suck now.

Gotenks also won even though his time run out when Boo was just about killed by him. Gohan won too and only lost cause Gotenks wanted to fight again. It's not like they both failed cause the goal was to kill Boo, and not just pummel him.

[Sandubadear]

I still want to know why Beerus was going to destroy Earth? Perhaps because Vegeta and Goku were making far too much noise and disrupted his sleep? Definitely sounds like something Beerus would be quite mad about.

Look two posts above yours.

But that doesn't tell me why he was going to destroy Earth. It tells me why he stopped.

Maybe there wasn't any pudding.

[TheGmGoken]

Its just hard to see a win from Vegeta against a tired/depleted Freeza. Freeza cheated 1st then Vegeta got a spoonfed enemy then Goku cheated. Fact is the biggest victim here is Goku, he gets slapped in the face that his over confidence took him down real bad, as a warrior thats something he will live in shame as in BoG it seems Goku has some pride now.

From what we KNOW. How was Goku over confident? Seems like Goku just beat Freeza. Freeza turnt gold. Goku notice Freeza has stamina issues. Sorgma distracts Goku. Freeza wins.

Over cocky or shitty luck?

Also how did anyone cheat? It's a fight! Not a Tenkaichi Budokai

Goku certainly cheated, because not only the power which was used - was something beyond any comprehension, but it wasn't even his own. He used a help of Whis to save the Earth. Either way it was doomed.

That's not cheating. This is not Chaozu helping Ten in the Tenkaichi Budokai. Whis can do whatever he wants. It's his power. Did Goku cheat against Boo? It wasn't HIS energy in the Genki Dama.

[Kamiccolo9]

That's not cheating. This is not Chaozu helping Ten in the Tenkaichi Budokai. Whis can do whatever he wants. It's his power. Did Goku cheat against Boo? It wasn't HIS energy in the Genki Dama.

Exactly. Cheating requires rules to be broken. What rules are supposed to apply when genocidal planet destroying aliens attack?

[Dyno]

I hope that dessert is pudding, I would like to see Bills' reaction to it.

[Mystic Tien]

How is it "cheating?" What set of rules are we going by, exactly? I didn't know there was a manual to follow when saving lives form galactic warlords.

He didn't defeat him by his own strength. That's all. The same way as Vegeta didn't defeat Frieza by his own strength as well. They both failed.