Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more.
Kibito Kai (no magic materialization/paralysis/I'm) VS Cell Games SSJ/ASSJ/USSJ Future Trunks with sword and Saiyan armor [that's either SSJ, ASSJ, or USSJ Future Trunks. Whichever suits the match best]
21st WMAT Great Ape Goku VS Drum (No tail-grabbing/cutting)
Supreme Kai of Time VS Cell Jr.
Semi-Perfect Cell VS Cell Games Base Trunks with Kaiokenx10 to 20 (can use Kaioken increments comfortably)
25th WMAT Base Goten and Trunks VS Yakon and Pui Pui (not fighting in a dark place)
former versus:
Spoiler:
Android 17 VS Abo and Kado (they won't fuse)
SSJ3 Goku (in Otherworld body) VS Great Ape Giant Culture Fluid Bio-Broly (to be specific, this would be the giant Bio-Broly that is slimy and purple and is already outside of the lab, on the island, near the shore. Imagine there was a full moon and this slimy purple Broly turns into a slimy purple Great Ape. No tail cutting/grabbing and no usage of water. Broly has full control and won't turn SSJ4. Just multiply this slimy Broly's power by 10. Fight takes place on Elder Kai's planet but with bio-fluid slime flooding everywhere)
Basically, a great ape version of this one:
Full Power Beerus VS Super Buu (absorbed, see list below:)-- no stone spit, candy beam, or absorbing Beerus Mystic/Ultimate Gohan
Guldo
Captain Ginyu
Jeice
Burter
Recoome
SSJ3 Gotenks (no fusion time limit)
SSJ3 Gogeta (no fusion time limit)
SSJ3 Vegito (he won't separate inside Buu)
Original Meta-Cooler
Transformed Hirudegarn
Base Hirudegarn
Tapion
Super Janemba
Fat Infant Janemba
Pikkon
Olibu
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
Post-ROSAT SSJ Goten and Trunks
Buu Saga Piccolo, Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu
Imperfect Cell
Semi-Perfect Cell
Full Power Perfect Cell
Four Cell Jr.s
Super Perfect Cell
Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
Movie 8 LSSJ Broly
Bio-Broly
Great Ape Paragus
Super Hatchiyak
Dr. Raichi
Dr. Wheelo
Android 8, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 and Super Android 13
Mecha Frieza, King Cold, Cui, Dodoria, and transformed Zarbon
Great Ape Turles (post-2nd Fruit) and the Turles Crusher Corps.
Lord Slug (Youth restored) and his clan
5th Form Cooler and the Cooler Armored Squadron
Dabura
Yakon
Pui Pui
Aka (Abo and Kado fusion)
Great Ape Tarbles
Makyo Star Enhanced and Immortal (but not actually being unkillable) Garlic Jr. and the Spice Boys
Transformed Bojack and his Crew
SSJ Future Gohan (one-armed)
Cell Games SSJ Future Trunks
SSJ Bardock and his Great Ape Crew
Chilled
Nappa
Last edited by Angelus on Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:52 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Angelus wrote:Kibito Kai (no magic materialization/paralysis/I'm) VS Cell Games SSJ/ASSJ/USSJ Future Trunks with sword and Saiyan armor
21st WMAT Great Ape Goku VS Drum (No tail-grabbing/cutting)
Supreme Kai of Time VS Cell Jr.
Semi-Perfect Cell VS Cell Games Base Trunks with Kaiokenx10 to 20 (can use Kaioken increments comfortably)
25th WMAT Base Goten and Trunks VS Yakon and Pui Pui (not fighting in a dark place)
- Kibito Kai stomps everyone in his path.
- Great Ape Goku crushes Drum. Literally.
- Cell Jr one shots.
- Semi Perfect Cell wrecks Trunks.
- The kids finger flick Yakon and Pui Pui.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Sandubadear wrote:Freeza (Ultimate Evolution), Goku (Super Saiyan God 2), Vegeta (Super Saiyan God 2), Beerus (won't fight between themselves) vs. Whis
Whis finger flicks all of them.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Angelus wrote:What the heck is a blue Super Saiyan?
were you in a coma?
Spoiler:
Seriously, Sandubadear that is not a cool thing say, at all.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Hellspawn28 wrote:So who's the strongest DB character that Freddy (original version) can beat inside the Dream World? In the Dream World, Freddy can able to manipulate his victims' dreams to whatever he sees fit, mostly in the form of his victims' personality and/or fears. Any injury that his victims sustain in the dream word affected them in the waking world as well.
If by "original" you mean the Robert Englund character then Freddy can pretty much steamroll any DB character. Freddy's like a reality warper and immortal in the dream world, pretty much unbeatable in the films except getting taken to the real world or some deus ex machina.
If you don't fear Freddy than he loses his power. I doubt any of the serious fighters in Dragon Ball would fear him, besides possibly Goten and Trunks. Then if a teenage girl can outsmart Freddy and bring him into the real world, you can bet that prodigal combat geniuses like Goku, Piccolo, and Vegeta can too.
This is a dangerous assumption. The Z fighters aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer, for all their fighting prowess, and Freddy could tap into some seriously subconscious fears of Goku.
Full Power Beerus VS Super Buu (absorbed, see list below:)-- no stone spit, candy beam, or absorbing Beerus
Spoiler:
Mystic/Ultimate Gohan
Guldo
Captain Ginyu
Jeice
Burter
Recoome
SSJ3 Gotenks (no fusion time limit)
SSJ3 Gogeta (no fusion time limit)
SSJ3 Vegito (he won't separate inside Buu)
Original Meta-Cooler
Transformed Hirudegarn
Base Hirudegarn
Tapion
Super Janemba
Fat Infant Janemba
Paikuhan
Olibu
SSJ3 Goku
SSJ2 Majin Vegeta
Post-ROSAT SSJ Goten and Trunks
Buu Saga Piccolo, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, and Chiaotzu
Imperfect Cell
Semi-Perfect Cell
Full Power Perfect Cell
Four Cell Jr.s
Super Perfect Cell
Movie 10 LSSJ Broly
Movie 8 LSSJ Broly
Bio-Broly
Great Ape Paragus
Super Hatchiyak
Dr. Raichi
Dr. Wheelo
Android 8, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 and Super Android 13
Mecha Freeza, King Cold, Cui, Dodoria, and transformed Zarbon
Great Ape Tullece (post-2nd Fruit) and the Tullece Crusher Corps.
Lord Slug (Youth restored) and his clan
5th Form Cooler and the Cooler Armored Squadron
Dabura
Yakon
Pui Pui
Aka (Abo and Kado fusion)
Great Ape Tarbles
Makyo Star Enhanced and Immortal (but not actually being unkillable) Garlic Jr. and the Spice Boys
Transformed Bojack and his Crew
SSJ Future Gohan (one-armed)
Cell Games SSJ Future Trunks
SSJ Bardock and his Great Ape Crew
Chilled
Nappa
Vegetto alone makes this a breeze for Boo (though how Boo absorbed him is another question). Absorbing Janemba is just overkill.
Sandubadear wrote:Freeza (Ultimate Evolution), Goku (Super Saiyan God 2), Vegeta (Super Saiyan God 2), Beerus (won't fight between themselves) vs. Whis
Whis finger flicks all of them.
Yeah, I'll tentatively give this to Whis since he's apparently a reality warper (and a deity? Intermediate between god and mortal? Something?).
ZazamPow wrote:
If you don't fear Freddy than he loses his power. I doubt any of the serious fighters in Dragon Ball would fear him, besides possibly Goten and Trunks. Then if a teenage girl can outsmart Freddy and bring him into the real world, you can bet that prodigal combat geniuses like Goku, Piccolo, and Vegeta can too.
Fear is a preference, not a necessity. Freddy has been shown to pervert benign aspects of a victim's psyche, and even set them up in their optimal environments and beat them there. As for a teenage girl being able to drag Freddy to the real world, it's precisely that they're so weak that Freddy would place himself in such a compromising position. He wouldn't do that against overtly powerful opponents like the DB characters.
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Angelus wrote:I don't get it... is this the leak everyone is talking about? There's literally a leak of the full movie on the internet now?
Don't know if you got an answer. There was a preview screening the other day in Japan. Several people (including two in Kanzenshuu) now know the whole plot of the film.
Spoiler:
Blue SSJs are a thing now, apparently.
"Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone." - Akira Toriyama on Dragon Ball Super
