Now that I checked it, you are right, guys. My mistakeTheDevilsCorpse wrote:It's not "Super Saiyan God" though, it's Super Saiyan...with godly energy. Meaning this isn't a powerup of the magenta form.
kei17 wrote:It's just Super Saiyan fused with Godly power. It happens solely for a powerup and has no interesting story behind it.
Marco Polo wrote:He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
Kei said, as other sources said, that this is regular Super Saiyan with God's power, not Super Saiyan God. This seems to be a form beyond Super Saiyan God, since DBHeroes calls Goku in that form "Saiyan who has surpassed God."Mystic Tien wrote:Actually it is Super Saiyan God by Kei's words.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Regular Super Saiyan turned blue.Mystic Tenshinhan wrote:But it is blue
kei17 wrote:It's just Super Saiyan fused with Godly power. It happens solely for a powerup and has no interesting story behind it.
Exactly, look how strong they were without doing any serious training, and their battle powers weren't even close to Freeza's 84 million (we never saw anyone commenting baby Trunks' power, so it should have been normal). Freeza didn't just get the largest power-up (by far) in the history of the franchise, he was also born with the largest battle power (by far) in the history of the franchise.rereboy wrote:So what? Trunks and Goten, in the Buu arc, with just 7 years of being alive and no real training besides playing around, were already stronger than Freeza. Goten didn't even know how to fly.
Vegeta was only a villain in the Saiyan arc, he was never an iconic villain, he is an iconic rival of Goku in the franchise. After that, he became an ally of the Z-Senshi, and he eventually became a good guy. Freeza has been an iconic, pure evil villain for decades.Mystic Tien wrote:I'd argue that Vegeta was worse than Freeza in Saiyan Saga, though after this movie they are kind of on the same scale. No one expected for Vegeta to become good (unless obviously they knew prior it), yet he turned from one of the evilest characters in the series to a proper hero. Comparing Saiyan Saga Vegeta and post Buu saga Vegeta, it is like two completely different persons. Vegeta was an iconic villain, who became one the most beloved characters in Dragon Ball franchise, after becoming good (well, at least for saiyan standards). And he is the same guy who stated that he was pure evil all the way in Android Saga, even after both Saiyan Saga and Namek Saga already ended.
And Goku learned from his mistake for letting Freeza go, which is why he could force his sons kill Cell & Boo, and kill Freeza & Cold (Trunks' world), Yakon, and Boo without a second thought.But Goku is exactly known for being dumb. This is the same Goku, who spared Piccolo Jr, released Raditz's tail, told Krillin to spare Vegeta, spared Freeza, giving him some energy to survive and finally gave Cell a senzu bean. Goku is known for acting dumb in a lot of situations.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
This is what was my original ideamasta_mind257 wrote:Couple ideas I had:
Whis is quite a mysterious character, what if he's got an ulterior motive? Possibly training Goku and Vegeta to invade other universes?
An SSG can't give their power to another saiyan to make them an SSG, Vegeta makes Bulla for another 5th saiyan
Also this is the first time the bad guy could be beat by the Z fighters and was weaker than the previous antagonist, there was no need for a power-up etc.
Marco Polo wrote:He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
Heroes calls base Goku with Super Saiyan God's power absorbed "Saiyan who has surpassed God", because Goku transcended that form by absorbing it's power without needing to actually transform anymore.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Kei said, as other sources said, that this is regular Super Saiyan with God's power, not Super Saiyan God. This seems to be a form beyond Super Saiyan God, since DBHeroes calls Goku in that form "Saiyan who has surpassed God."Mystic Tenshinhan wrote:Actually it is Super Saiyan God by Kei's words.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Regular Super Saiyan turned blue.
If you (or anyone else) see a problematic post, please just use the report function and let the staff handle it. Turning things into a conversation piece derails the thread and makes our job much harder.Black_Liger wrote:I'm no mod, but this guy is getting really violent with his dislike a movie he hasn't even seen.
Super Fetus Pan was able to donate her energy, I'm almost certain Super Baby Pan would be able to contribute.But how Vegeta became the SSJ God then? I doubt that Bulla is born at the time of FnF. And Pan most likely won't be able to contribute her energy as well. Though who knows.
Does that mean Goku can still go SSJ3 with his God ki?TheDevilsCorpse wrote: Heroes calls base Goku with Super Saiyan God's power absorbed "Saiyan who has surpassed God", because Goku transcended that form by absorbing it's power without needing to actually transform anymore.
Likewise, as Kei described, Goku and Vegeta have trained with this godly ki and can now utilize the regular Super Saiyan state to get stronger again (unlike in Battle of Gods), but the hair turns blue as a result. If anything, this would probably be coined "Super Saiyan who has surpassed God".
It has already been commented in that topic.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Exactly, look how strong they were without doing any serious training, and their battle powers weren't even close to Freeza's 84 million (we never saw anyone commenting baby Trunks' power, so it should have been normal). Freeza didn't just get the largest power-up (by far) in the history of the franchise, he was also born with the largest battle power (by far) in the history of the franchise.
Anyway, if you want to discuss this further, take it to the BP thread.
Yeah, I already checked by myself. My mistake.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: Kei said, as other sources said, that this is regular Super Saiyan with God's power, not Super Saiyan God. This seems to be a form beyond Super Saiyan God, since DBHeroes calls Goku in that form "Saiyan who has surpassed God."
kei17 wrote:It's just Super Saiyan fused with Godly power. It happens solely for a powerup and has no interesting story behind it.
But he still was a bad guy even in Namek, sure he wasn't the main one, but he still was a villain even there. He became a proper ally only in Android Saga, in Namek Saga he acted at his own interest, and didn't really care if anyone was beaten/killed by Frieza and his henchman or not, he just wanted to gain an immortality, the very exact same thing Frieza desired.kei17 wrote:IVegeta was only a villain in the Saiyan arc, he was never an iconic villain, he is an iconic rival of Goku in the franchise. After that, he became an ally of the Z-Senshi, and he eventually became a good guy. Freeza has been an iconic, pure evil villain for decades.
And that is exactly my point. Frieza may have gone through something similar, like wanting to get revenge on Goku and training hardly for years to accomplish this, he could not even began a good guy at all in the end like Vegeta did, he could just be the rival trying to kill Goku, leading for Goku constantly surpassing him through the hard training. I mean Beerus will not be much of a rival in the near future, saiyans get close to his power level, and Beerus doesn't seem to enjoy training as for now, he prefers to sleep a lot, so having Freeza as a constant rival can be good. He may even serve the same role as Vegeta served in Namek, allying with Goku (without actually wanting to do it at all) to be able to reach his selfish desires (like immortality) by first defeating a much stronger enemy, and he could die after it/in the process of it, I wouldn't mind it, but returning him just to immediately kill him again... Just seems pointless for me. There could be so much more they could have done with his character.kei17 wrote:And Vegeta went through years for him to become a good guy. He met his son from the future, fell in love with Bulma, had a family peacefully on Earth for years, got sick of his new self & forcibly turned evil again, sacrificed himself after realized he was wrong, and accepted the fact that Goku was better than him.
Apparently though he became soft once again, he sure became more harsh with time, but he still always wanted to fight with strong enemies even if it potentially endangered his close ones. He may have spared Frieza for this very same reason he spared his other enemies again, he may have wanted to have a rematch with him just like he wanted a rematch with Piccolo Jr, Frieza and later Buu, which returned in the end in the form of Uub.DBZGTKOSDH wrote: And Goku learned from his mistake for letting Freeza go, which is why he could force his sons kill Cell & Boo, and kill Freeza & Cold (Trunks' world), Yakon, and Boo without a second thought.
But wasn't she be able to do this because of Videl using her flow of ki or something like that?singsing wrote:Super Fetus Pan was able to donate her energy, I'm almost certain Super Baby Pan would be able to contribute.But how Vegeta became the SSJ God then? I doubt that Bulla is born at the time of FnF. And Pan most likely won't be able to contribute her energy as well. Though who knows.
Marco Polo wrote:He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
I still want my Super Fetus Goddess Toriyama. Or in this case....Super Baby Pan Goddess.Dyno wrote:Wait, Vegeta indeed got Super Saiyan God off-screen?
If so, maybe the ritual was done when Pan was still inside Videl.
I beleive that's the implication, since we don't really know any other way for Vegeta to end up at the same state of power as Goku.Dyno wrote:Wait, Vegeta indeed got Super Saiyan God off-screen?
No idea. Maybe? According to Kei there weren't very many details. So I guess it was just "Goku has god ki, and he can use Super Saiya with it...oh, and it's blue". Toriyama says we likely won't see SS2 and SS3 anymore though, so...WittyUsername wrote:Does that mean Goku can still go SSJ3 with his God ki?
Pretty sure that wasn't given away at the preview screenings? Though I don't know for certain. For Battle of Gods, people were tweeting the goodies being given away, but no such luck for Resurrection F. So I guess there just weren't any unti the official release.UpFromTheSkies wrote:Does anyone know if there's anything in the manga/script that was given away that's not in the movie? And are there any photos of the art inside?
No confirmation from Kei as for now, it seems, but sounds like the most logical conclusion.Dyno wrote:Wait, Vegeta indeed got Super Saiyan God off-screen?
If so, maybe the ritual was done when Pan was still inside Videl.
Marco Polo wrote:He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
Really bugs me they don't just give a simple explanation to just get it out there. Perhaps only SSJ can be used as the other forms as Toriyama called them, were just extensions of SSJ. Perhaps they can't use higher SSJ forms yet and they wouldn't be able to keep their ki under control. Then again no real explanation for Freeza either and his amazing super awesome training we'll never hear about.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:No idea. Maybe? According to Kei there weren't very many details. So I'm guess it was just "Goku has god ki, and he can use Super Saiya with it...oh, and it's blue". Toriyama says we likely won't see SS2 and SS3 anymore though, so...WittyUsername wrote:Does that mean Goku can still go SSJ3 with his God ki?
Nothing like that was ever mentioned anywhere that I've seen.But wasn't she be able to do this because of Videl using her flow of ki or something like that?
Default response: One is prodigy.dbzfan7 wrote:Then again no real explanation for Freeza either and his amazing super awesome training we'll never hear about.
Shit...my answer was BEERUS DID IT!Dyno wrote:Default response: One is prodigy.dbzfan7 wrote:Then again no real explanation for Freeza either and his amazing super awesome training we'll never hear about.
