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dbzfan7 wrote:Really bugs me they don't just give a simple explanation to just get it out there. Perhaps only SSJ can be used as the other forms as Toriyama called them, were just extensions of SSJ. Perhaps they can't use higher SSJ forms yet and they wouldn't be able to keep their ki under control. Then again no real explanation for Freeza either and his amazing super awesome training we'll never hear about.
At this point, I'm hoping that Toriyama wrote some of this background information and it just didn't get added into the movie because Yamamuro wanted to focus on more action after some responses to Battle of Gods (blame him instead of Toriyama for now), or that they just didn't have time to finish everything like with Battle of Gods as well.
Maybe we'll either see another extended edition, or we have lots of background info for interviews...please? lol
Direct translations of the Korean DB Online timeline and guidebook.
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But wasn't she be able to do this because of Videl using her flow of ki or something like that?
Nothing like that was ever mentioned anywhere that I've seen.
This is what I thought was happening in BoG, because I just can't see how an unborn child can use and contribute ki to someone. And I thought that Videl utilized Pan's ki in some way and lent it Goku.
Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
dbzfan7 wrote:Really bugs me they don't just give a simple explanation to just get it out there. Perhaps only SSJ can be used as the other forms as Toriyama called them, were just extensions of SSJ. Perhaps they can't use higher SSJ forms yet and they wouldn't be able to keep their ki under control. Then again no real explanation for Freeza either and his amazing super awesome training we'll never hear about.
At this point, I'm hoping that Toriyama wrote some of this background information and it just didn't get added into the movie because Yamamuro wanted to focus on more action after some responses to Battle of Gods (blame him instead of Toriyama for now), or that they just didn't have time to finish everything like with Battle of Gods as well.
Maybe we'll either see another extended edition, or we have lots of background info for interviews...please? lol
I hope that booklet thing or whatever it is that's handed out, holds some explanations.
Mystic Tien wrote:Whis did it Everything was made by Whis! Whis is the real God!
You don't get the joke. You see a Toriyama tidbit had him saying Beerus was the one who sealed up the Elder Kaioshin. This goes against what Elder Kaioshin said as he stated that the ridiculously strong and bad dude was not as strong as Majin Boo. But Beerus is stronger so that makes no sense. Also people aren't happy about it being possible that Beerus had something to do with Freeza destroying the saiyans. The wording is weird. So the meme BEERUS DID IT was born for everything that doesn't make sense, or to make things make less sense.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Freeza probably just did a lot of push-ups and sit-ups and drank a lot of juice.
Already made that joke buddy.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Kinda anxious to know what he says! I really like to hear Ryusei Nakao's voice.
There's also a game....I shot Freeza a whole bunch. Someone give me a medal, I saved the world and not Goku or Vegeta.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Kei said, as other sources said, that this is regular Super Saiyan with God's power, not Super Saiyan God. This seems to be a form beyond Super Saiyan God, since DBHeroes calls Goku in that form "Saiyan who has surpassed God."
But... the hair was yellow in BOG after Goku got those godly powers I don't get it, it's rather big thing if he's gonna have blue hair every time he goes SSJ from now on (without going SSJG red hair prior)
DBZGTKOSDH wrote:
Kei said, as other sources said, that this is regular Super Saiyan with God's power, not Super Saiyan God. This seems to be a form beyond Super Saiyan God, since DBHeroes calls Goku in that form "Saiyan who has surpassed God."
But... the hair was yellow in BOG after Goku got those godly powers I don't get it, it's rather big thing if he's gonna have blue hair every time he goes SSJ from now on (without going SSJG red hair prior)
He didn't master it? Perhaps you need to master SSG to retain its power.
Kinda anxious to know what he says! I really like to hear Ryusei Nakao's voice.
There's also a game....I shot Freeza a whole bunch. Someone give me a medal, I saved the world and not Goku or Vegeta.
Well then clearly that game sucks and whoever made it deserves to be insulted and have physical violence threatened against their person!
"I wanted you to see what real courage is, instead of getting the idea that courage is a man with a gun in his hand. It’s when you know you’re licked before you begin but you begin anyway and you see it through no matter what." - Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird (1960)
“I learned that courage was not the absence of fear, but the triumph over it. The brave man is not he who does not feel afraid, but he who conquers that fear.” - Nelson Mandela
Kinda anxious to know what he says! I really like to hear Ryusei Nakao's voice.
There's also a game on the website....I shot Freeza a whole bunch. Someone give me a medal, I saved the world and not Goku or Vegeta.
Well then clearly that game sucks and whoever made it deserves to be insulted and have physical violence threatened against their person!
People will just be mad cause I saved the world and not Vegeta. Suck it Prince of all bitches. I killed Freeza before you did.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
dbzfan7 wrote:
You don't get the joke. You see a Toriyama tidbit had him saying Beerus was the one who sealed up the Elder Kaioshin. This goes against what Elder Kaioshin said as he stated that the ridiculously strong and bad dude was not as strong as Majin Boo. But Beerus is stronger so that makes no sense. Also people aren't happy about it being possible that Beerus had something to do with Freeza destroying the saiyans. The wording is weird. So the meme BEERUS DID IT was born for everything that doesn't make sense, or to make things make less sense.
Yeah, but after Whis introducing his time rewind ability, he can do everything, so everything was made by Whis! He manipulated Beerus into doing everything he did! "Whis did it" is the next line I expect to hear in Toriyama's interview
To be honest, it is indeed rather funny that Toriyama is trying to explain everything with Beerus. And Beerus being the one who sealed Old Kaioshin doesn't make any sense, nor does Beerus having anything to do with Freeza destroying the saiyans. Though apparently they are buddies now, judging by Beerus knowing Frieza, and the other way around in FnF.
Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
You don't get the joke. You see a Toriyama tidbit had him saying Beerus was the one who sealed up the Elder Kaioshin. This goes against what Elder Kaioshin said as he stated that the ridiculously strong and bad dude was not as strong as Majin Boo. But Beerus is stronger so that makes no sense. Also people aren't happy about it being possible that Beerus had something to do with Freeza destroying the saiyans. The wording is weird. So the meme BEERUS DID IT was born for everything that doesn't make sense, or to make things make less sense.
That happened literally millions of years ago. Beerus can train too ya know. Especially since it's pretty much confirmed he does train with saying Whis is his martial arts master.
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What about that picture of Frieza's final form choking Vegeta with his tail? Seems to imply that Vegeta was weaker than Frieza before Frieza ever powered up to his final evolution gold form.
mikey41 wrote:What about that picture of Freeza's final form choking Vegeta with his tail? Seems to imply that Vegeta was weaker than Freeza before Freeza ever powered up to his final evolution gold form.
This was before Vegeta went Blue SSJ with Godly energy or whatever it is called now, I guess.
Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
mikey41 wrote:What about that picture of Freeza's final form choking Vegeta with his tail? Seems to imply that Vegeta was weaker than Freeza before Freeza ever powered up to his final evolution gold form.
You mean that fake fan image mirroring what happened on namek?
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
mikey41 wrote:What about that picture of Freeza's final form choking Vegeta with his tail? Seems to imply that Vegeta was weaker than Freeza before Freeza ever powered up to his final evolution gold form.
You mean that fake fan image mirroring what happened on namek?
By the way, I still didn't get it. Who was the first to fight Frieza? Was it Goku or Vegeta? Were they in Blue SSJ or they were in base until Frieza transformed into his golden form?
Marco Polo wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
mikey41 wrote:What about that picture of Freeza's final form choking Vegeta with his tail? Seems to imply that Vegeta was weaker than Freeza before Freeza ever powered up to his final evolution gold form.
This was before Vegeta went Blue SSJ with Godly energy or whatever it is called now, I guess.
Just seems weird he didn't power up first. Also, was there any indication that the Z-fighters thought Frieza didn't change and were confident to fight him? The second manga that came out made it seem like Gohan and Piccolo were nervous to see Frieza, which I don't like at all. I also wonder if Frieza shows his second and third form.
I don't get it, it's rather big thing if he's gonna have blue hair every time he goes SSJ from now on (without going SSJG red hair prior)
