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Saiyan007
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by Saiyan007 » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:34 pm
saunasolmu wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:There are limits. Being off guard doesn't automatically mean that anything can kill you. This was explicitly spelled out in the 23rd Budokai. Yamcha comments on how he was able to catch Kami off guard and land a clean hit, but was forced to forfeit nonetheless, because Kami was so strong that even catching him off guard just bloodied his nose.
Krillin was able to pierce Vegeta's body on Namek once he lowered his guard and the power difference between them is much bigger..
Vegeta purposely lowered his power level so Krillin could harm him.
I take it as his ring is very powerful that it can hurt Godku
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by singsing » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:34 pm
saunasolmu wrote:RandomGuy96 wrote:There are limits. Being off guard doesn't automatically mean that anything can kill you. This was explicitly spelled out in the 23rd Budokai. Yamcha comments on how he was able to catch Kami off guard and land a clean hit, but was forced to forfeit nonetheless, because Kami was so strong that even catching him off guard just bloodied his nose.
Krillin was able to pierce Vegeta's body on Namek once he lowered his guard and the power difference between them is much bigger.
Sounds like a fun movie that I will surely enjoy watching. Again, I'm not sure what kind of story some here are expecting from a Dragon Ball movie. It's not supposed to follow some strict internal logic, it's supposed to be just fun to watch.
I don't think the power gap between Krillin and Vegeta was as much as the power gap between SSG Goku and a guy who's weaker than Zarbon... not even close. In that case, it was Vegeta purposely lowering it allll the way down so even a weakling like Krillin could pierce him. But whatever.
What I'm curious about is, didn't Goku already have SSG's power absorbed in the last movie...? That's what Beerus said, and that's what Toriyama said. Is there actually any difference between the blue SSG and the red SSG? Because if that blue one is 50x stronger I call bullshit.
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by TheRed259 » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:37 pm
- So we never learn how Freeza trained
- Shisami who has almost the same power lever as Zarbon and Dodoria can fight against Piccolo
- Freeza killed Gohan who is almost as strong as a SSJ3
- Vegeta fights Goku so that he lets him fight Freeza (childish reaction)
- Golden Freeza can keep up with SSJ God Goku (at least in the beginning)
- Vegeta becomes SSJ God out of nowhere
That's sounds more like a Fanmade movie to me.
I hope that the VAs (especially the Funimation ones) can convince us with their acting because all this seems too unrealistic!
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by radrappy » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:38 pm
ekrolo2 wrote:This is gonna be a wonderful train wreck to watch, tell me, why did this "story" deserve anything more than an OVA while the actual BoG sequels waiting to get made?
What does a criticism like this even mean? Is this just because you're upset that they didn't explore the other universes and gods?
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by kei17 » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:38 pm
SaiyanBaller22 wrote:However after reading the summary, I'm surprised to see how Gohan and even Piccolo got so much weaker. I mean how is it that Piccolo is losing to Shisami, who is on par with the likes of Zarbon and Dodoria? It doesnt make sense, after Piccolo fused with Kami he ascended past a Super Saiyan level, yet he loses to someone weaker than a Super Saiyan?
Sorbet doesn't say Shisami is as
strong as Zarbon and Dodoria. His line was a little ambiguous.
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by SansrivaaL » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:39 pm
ShadowWolf87 wrote:Welp, just read the summary.
I can safely say I'm gonna love this movie. Was exactly what I expected from it.

You and me both! hopefully others too. I bet the 3D ver of it would be sick as hell!

love the fact that master roshi gets some love other than being a perverted old man. I love the reactions of the vegeta fans, so this is how trolling people from the trailer would look like, AT must be so pleased

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by VegettoEX » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:42 pm
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Keep your personal attacks and vitriol to yourself. Knock off the mini-modding.
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by mAcChaos » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:44 pm
I'm satisfied with how Goku got beat by Freeza and Sorbet.
It fits with the theme that Goku let his guard down, and from the way we see how it works in DBZ, if you let your guard down that means you can get taken out by a much weaker attack.
Your ki is like a shield that you use to block an attack, so if someone attacks from an angle or way you don't expect, you can still be vulnerable. Or if you just put down the shield because you think you're safe.
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by FinalFlash » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:44 pm
After reading the summary, the movie definitely seems to have a different feel than the trailers did. I think I'd prefer it if Freeza seemed to be a bit more of a threat. However, it looks like a lot of fun. I'm thoroughly excited. Thanks for the summary!
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by EXBadguy » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:45 pm
If anyone saw the movie, how did Frieza transform to his golden form?
Akira Toriyama wrote:If anyone. ANYONE AT TOEI! Makes a movie about old and weak major villains returning, or making recolored versions of Super Saiyan, I'ma come to yo company and evict you from doing Dragon Ball ever again! Only I do those things, because people love me, and they despise you....derp!
Marco Polo wrote:Goku Black is a fan of DBZ who hates Super and has taken the form of a younger Goku (thinner shape, softer hair) to avenge the original series by destroying the new.
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by singsing » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:45 pm
FinalFlash wrote:After reading the summary, the movie definitely seems to have a different feel than the trailers did. I think I'd prefer it if Freeza seemed to be a bit more of a threat. However, it looks like a lot of fun. I'm thoroughly excited. Thanks for the summary!
I dunno, from the summary alone I fail to see any sense of despair or the worst wish in history.
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by ekrolo2 » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:46 pm
radrappy wrote:ekrolo2 wrote:This is gonna be a wonderful train wreck to watch, tell me, why did this "story" deserve anything more than an OVA while the actual BoG sequels waiting to get made?
What does a criticism like this even mean? Is this just because you're upset that they didn't explore the other universes and gods?
Not an unreasonable thing to ask for a sequel to actually build off of what the previous one setup instead of making a worthless fan service fest that resembles the 90s filler movies more than a proper continuation. Doesn't help that a lot of the movie is capable of happening only thanks to contrivances and retcons too. The cherry on this cake of shit is the two year wait for a movie that's basically nothing in the grand scheme of things, and no a new transformation (its really just a recolor) and DB characters training (never seen that before) doesn't count.
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by Saiyan007 » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:47 pm
mAcChaos wrote:I'm satisfied with how Goku got beat by Freeza and Sorbet.
It fits with the theme that Goku let his guard down, and from the way we see how it works in DBZ, if you let your guard down that means you can get taken out by a much weaker attack.
Your ki is like a shield that you use to block an attack, so if someone attacks from an angle or way you don't expect, you can still be vulnerable. Or if you just put down the shield because you think you're safe.
So if vegito let his guard down you think master RoshI can hurt him
Just go with his ring is really powerful it sounds much much more believable
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by jcogginsa » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:50 pm
Saiyan007 wrote:mAcChaos wrote:I'm satisfied with how Goku got beat by Freeza and Sorbet.
It fits with the theme that Goku let his guard down, and from the way we see how it works in DBZ, if you let your guard down that means you can get taken out by a much weaker attack.
Your ki is like a shield that you use to block an attack, so if someone attacks from an angle or way you don't expect, you can still be vulnerable. Or if you just put down the shield because you think you're safe.
So if vegito let his guard down you think master RoshI can hurt him
Just go with his ring is really powerful it sounds much much more believable
Seems like both being true is the best way to go
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by fadeddreams5 » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:52 pm
TheRed259 wrote:
- Freeza killed Gohan who is almost as strong as a SSJ3
I'd be surprised if he's as strong as he was when he fought Cell anymore. Remember, he only THINKS he can become a regular SSJ before he does.
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by mikey41 » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:52 pm
Letting your guard down will make you extrememly weak. Remember when Krillin threw a rock at SSJ Goku's head?
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by EXBadguy » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:53 pm
mikey41 wrote:Letting your guard down will make you extrememly weak. Remember when Krillin threw a rock at SSJ Goku's head?
*cough*not*cough*cannon*cough*
Akira Toriyama wrote:If anyone. ANYONE AT TOEI! Makes a movie about old and weak major villains returning, or making recolored versions of Super Saiyan, I'ma come to yo company and evict you from doing Dragon Ball ever again! Only I do those things, because people love me, and they despise you....derp!
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by TheGmGoken » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:55 pm
EXBadguy wrote:mikey41 wrote:Letting your guard down will make you extrememly weak. Remember when Krillin threw a rock at SSJ Goku's head?
*cough*not*cough*cannon*cough*
It's canon not cannon. A manga example is Trunks knocking Majin Boo down and Vegeta distracted Cell.
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by Birusu16 » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:55 pm
The movie sounds terrible, but a few good things did come out of it for me. Vegeta got to humiliate Freeza and more Beerus and Whis. That's all I care about.
Hopefully Akira's done. He's really dragging the DB name through the mud at this point. BoGs was decent, but this sounds like it was outright terrible. No story. Barely any character development. Mindless action. Not to mention the power levels are just all over the place. A guy as strong as Zarbon and Dodoria beats Piccolo who in turn is easily beaten by a Gohan who doesn't even know if he can go SSJ anymore? Meh, just really not my cup of tea.
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by mikey41 » Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:56 pm
TheGmGoken wrote:EXBadguy wrote:mikey41 wrote:Letting your guard down will make you extrememly weak. Remember when Krillin threw a rock at SSJ Goku's head?
*cough*not*cough*cannon*cough*
It's canon not cannon. A manga example is Trunks knocking Majin Boo down and Vegeta distracted Cell.
Cell and Buu?? What?