Official DBZ 2015 Movie Power Discussion: "Resurrection F"

[TheGmGoken]

That ring must be a Green Lantern Esq ring to do more damage to Goku than Freeza.

[Doctor.]

We've had occasions where weaker characters managed to hurt stronger characters, but the power difference here is just so huge.

[ZombieVito]

How the hell is a Zarbon level guy giving Piccolo a difficult fight? This seriously ruins the movie for me.

Freeza's death also seems like a joke.

[TheGmGoken]

How the hell is a Zarbon level guy giving Piccolo a difficult fight? This seriously ruins the movie for me.

Freeza's death also seems like a joke.

A Zarbon level character also pierced Goku through the heart.

[ZombieVito]

I hope to god they at least have the decency to explain he trained with Freeza or something.

[Birusu16]

So yea it seems like the hierarchy is now:

Whis>Beerus>Goku>=Vegeta>Freeza

Or we could put Sorbet above Freeza considering he managed to pierce Goku. Not how I thought it'd be. I figured Freeza would at least be stronger than Goku and Vegeta, but guess not.

[RandomGuy96]

So yea it seems like the hierarchy is now:

Whis>Beerus>Goku>=Vegeta>Freeza

Or we could put Sorbet above Freeza considering he managed to pierce Goku. Not how I thought it'd be. I figured Freeza would at least be stronger than Goku and Vegeta, but guess not.

Actually, it seems to be:

Whis > Beerus > Golden Freeza >= SSG Goku > SSG Vegeta > base Goku > base Freeza > SS/SS2 Gohan > Giant Red Bull Man > Piccolo > Krillin > Tenshinhan > the kitchen > 18

Vegeta is scared to face Freeza until he is weakened. Goku comments that Golden Freeza loses ki quickly. It's not clear, but I THINK the summary meant to say that Freeza was equal or better than Goku at first, and got curb-stomped only after losing stamina. In terms of raw power, Sorbet's ring should be above Golden Freeza at least. No idea how it compares to Beerus and Whis.

[Birusu16]

So yea it seems like the hierarchy is now:

Whis>Beerus>Goku>=Vegeta>Freeza

Or we could put Sorbet above Freeza considering he managed to pierce Goku. Not how I thought it'd be. I figured Freeza would at least be stronger than Goku and Vegeta, but guess not.

Actually, it seems to be:

Whis > Beerus > Golden Freeza >= SSG Goku > SSG Vegeta > base Goku > base Freeza > SS/SS2 Gohan > Giant Red Bull Man > Piccolo > Krillin > Tenshinhan > the kitchen > 18

Vegeta is scared to face Freeza until he is weakened. Goku comments that Golden Freeza loses ki quickly. It's not clear, but I THINK the summary meant to say that Freeza was equal or better than Goku at first, and got curb-stomped only after losing stamina. In terms of raw power, Sorbet's ring should be above Golden Freeza at least. No idea how it compares to Beerus and Whis.

I really don't make much of that comment considering Vegeta thoroughly trashed him later and I doubt he was massively weaker than when he fought Goku. And the summary made it seem like Goku was winning against Freeza. I don't know though. Either way, they're all around the same level of power, but in turn are thoroughly outclassed by Whis and Beerus.

Makes me happy. My two favorite characters (Vegeta and Beerus) are some of the strongest characters in the series. Vegeta's no longer fodder for Goku and he finally got to shine.

[Lord Beerus]

the kitchen > 18.

Are you fucking me!? I shouldn't have laughed at that as much as I did.

[Sparko33]

So yea it seems like the hierarchy is now:

Actually, it seems to be:

Whis > Beerus > Golden Freeza >= SSG Goku > SSG Vegeta > base Goku > base Freeza > SS/SS2 Gohan > Giant Red Bull Man > Piccolo > Krillin > Tenshinhan > the kitchen > 18

Vegeta is scared to face Freeza until he is weakened. Goku comments that Golden Freeza loses ki quickly. It's not clear, but I THINK the summary meant to say that Freeza was equal or better than Goku at first, and got curb-stomped only after losing stamina. In terms of raw power, Sorbet's ring should be above Golden Freeza at least. No idea how it compares to Beerus and Whis.

All we have is ''Goku offers to let Vegeta fight now, but he nervously declines''; we didn't see the actual scene, we don't know how it happens so we can't derive anything from the situation yet. Goku was losing to Golden Freeza, then he told him to quit while he was ahead, because both him and Vegeta noticed he can't sustain that kind of level for long. Too early to decipher power levels from this summary as of yet.

[Analytical Delusion]

Yikes. So what do we make of Piccolo and Gohan? There's no way Piccolo should have trouble with any henchman, and Gohan has legitimately lost his mystic/ultimate mode?

[saunasolmu]

Freeza explicitly states that the beam was weak and the only reason it pierced Goku was because he let his guard down.

With his guard down, Trunks had a power level of 5.

You're trying to forcibly find an inconsistency where it doesn't exist.

[Saiyan007]

Freeza explicitly states that the beam was weak and the only reason it pierced Goku was because he let his guard down.

With his guard down, Trunks had a power level of 5.

You're trying to forcibly find an inconsistency where it doesn't exist.

I don't understand this logic at all why would God Goku lower his level by billions of Times

Why can't his ring be that strong after all he was the one who knew Goku got stronger

He was obviously prepared

Besides how would Freeza know how strong the beam is?

[Kamiccolo9]

Freeza explicitly states that the beam was weak and the only reason it pierced Goku was because he let his guard down.

With his guard down, Trunks had a power level of 5.

You're trying to forcibly find an inconsistency where it doesn't exist.

I don't understand this logic at all why would God Goku lower his level by billions of Times

Why can't his ring be that strong after all he was the one who knew Goku got stronger

He was obviously prepared

Besides how would Freeza know how strong the beam is?

The summary said that Freeza was "utterly defeated" at that point, and the movie is said to have made a point of mentioning that they were sparing all the invaders. Goku was probably just powering down like he did the first time he fought Freeza. Remember how he reverted to base before flying away? Part of the point of the movie is showing that Goku is too soft, so this fits precisely into that.

[dbzfan7]

Freeza explicitly states that the beam was weak and the only reason it pierced Goku was because he let his guard down.

With his guard down, Trunks had a power level of 5.

You're trying to forcibly find an inconsistency where it doesn't exist.

I don't understand this logic at all why would God Goku lower his level by billions of Times

Why can't his ring be that strong after all he was the one who knew Goku got stronger

He was obviously prepared

Besides how would Freeza know how strong the beam is?

The summary said that Freeza was "utterly defeated" at that point, and the movie is said to have made a point of mentioning that they were sparing all the invaders. Goku was probably just powering down like he did the first time he fought Freeza. Remember how he reverted to base before flying away? Part of the point of the movie is showing that Goku is too soft, so this fits precisely into that.

I don't think it's too far fetched....yet. If he powers down then I can believe Goku basically relaxed himself as well as his power since he thought the fight was over. But if he's still an SSJ and is hit.....eh....then it doesn't make much sense to me.

[TJVY]

How the hell is a Zarbon level guy giving Piccolo a difficult fight? This seriously ruins the movie for me.

Same, I just read the summary and whilst I'm pleased with it I'm so baffled by this!?

the kitchen > 18.

Are you fucking me!? I shouldn't have laughed at that as much as I did.

Oh my god.

[jcogginsa]

How the hell is a Zarbon level guy giving Piccolo a difficult fight? This seriously ruins the movie for me.

Freeza's death also seems like a joke.

the statement comparing Shishame to Zarbon is ambiguous enough that it could refer to qualities besides power. It's also before the training skip, so he could have gotten stronger

[The Monkey King]

I actually like to think that he might have been a new recruit since Freeza's revival. It seems very unlikely that word of Freeza's revival and training wouldn't spread across the universe, and I can easily see warriors flocking to join him as a result. Some to willingly be part of his armies, some maybe doing so in hopes of Freeza sparing their planet in the future (think Norrin Radd/Silver Surfer in relation to Galactus), or other reasons like that. That'd explain why he's seemingly so powerful, when the likes of Sorbet and Tagoma were weaklings in comparison.

This is actually a pretty sweet explanation

Too bad the film decides such details are not relevant.

[Dorexx]

Best thing is Bulma summoning Whis.

[Mac]

Piccolo struggling, Gohan getting one shot, and Vegeta being hesitant against Freeza.

This stuff rubs me the wrong way.