Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[vegitot]

He doesn't let Sorbet kill him,does he? Or else he is too weak now

It doesn't kill him but apparently it wrecks him enough to leave him at Freeza's mercy.

Goku againsted Tao Pai Pai

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[JahSly90]

From what i understand, only those in whis barrier survived the explosion. But isn't that inconsistent when it comes to freeza? Freeza can breath in space and can survive a planet exploding even being half dead on namek. Am i missing something?

[mAcChaos]

Goku was probably on guard then. I mean he's in the middle of a fight.

Also that was when he was a kid. By the time we get to Revival of F his attitude may have changed and he might be way more lax.

[Doctor.]

From what i understand, only those in whis barrier survived the explosion. But isn't that inconsistent when it comes to freeza? Freeza can breath in space and can survive a planet exploding even being half dead on namek. Am i missing something?

I'm assuming he died from his own blast.

[saunasolmu]

The reason it was able to do damage to Goku was stated in the movie. That's it. It wasn't because the beam was strong. It was stated to be weak.

What boggles me is, that some people, when their fan-made logic about the series is somehow contradicted, don't adjust their own fan-made logic to try and fit the new material, but rather stick to their fan-logic as absolute truth and canon and anything contradicting it is complete bullshit and not even part of the same continuity.

It's a childern's story written decades ago which was full of inconsistent internal logic even back when it was published.

[mAcChaos]

From what i understand, only those in whis barrier survived the explosion. But isn't that inconsistent when it comes to freeza? Freeza can breath in space and can survive a planet exploding even being half dead on namek. Am i missing something?

Maybe he is still alive, but they just never dwell on it.

Or he was so weak his own blast killed him.

[vegitot]

Whis while training Goku said he is too relaxed and over confident in his abilities, he was looking down on a worn down Freeza he thinks the battle is done,he was being over confident and didnt expect anything can hurt him since Freeza was down so he probably lowered his ki, we all know how important ''Ki'' is to DB verse. Also that ring may have something special in it since that wasnt a normal ki blast, its from a ring and I'm sure AT did that on purpose so that Goku can logically get injured from a grunt.

This must be happen. Or else,Goku should cry for much more weaker than himself in the past
But i don't think a Frieza's hechmen has something powerful like that

[rereboy]

I'm flabbergasted why people have a problem with the shot-through-the-heart thing.

The whole setup with Whis early on foreshadowed how Goku leaves himself open. Goku left himself open. He got shot. Through a vital organ.

He had a heart disease before, too. Disease of the same vital organ. It's already been established that damage to the heart is a serious problem.

To be consistent, if you have a problem with one, you have to have a problem with both. Do you?

I'm sorry, VegettoEX, but a decease is nowhere comparable. Nowhere in the series is stated that Goku or any Saiyan is impervious to decease. But we do have plenty of examples of Goku being impervious or almost impervious to external force (whether its Ki or something else) unless Goku lowers his defenses enough or unless the force is so great that it overpowers Goku's defenses.

So, we only have two possibilities:

a) Goku, for some reason, while the battle wasn't over yet, randomly lowered his defenses enough to be wrecked by a random laser ring, or
b) There's something special about that ring that it allowed it to bypass the defenses of someone as strong as Goku, which, if its the case, then the question becomes, how come aren't they focusing on having many more of those weapons and using them massively?

[vegitot]

From what i understand, only those in whis barrier survived the explosion. But isn't that inconsistent when it comes to freeza? Freeza can breath in space and can survive a planet exploding even being half dead on namek. Am i missing something?

Another legit thing. Or Frieza uses Kamikaze

[SansrivaaL]

Whis while training Goku said he is too relaxed and over confident in his abilities, he was looking down on a worn down Freeza he thinks the battle is done,he was being over confident and didnt expect anything can hurt him since Freeza was down so he probably lowered his ki, we all know how important ''Ki'' is to DB verse. Also that ring may have something special in it since that wasnt a normal ki blast, its from a ring and I'm sure AT did that on purpose so that Goku can logically get injured from a grunt.

This must be happen. Or else,Goku should cry for much more weaker than himself in the past
But i don't think a Freeza's hechmen has something powerful like that

I dont know why ur being so nitty about this, Whis said Goku is way to relaxed/soft, that itself is enough proof that he gets shot, and ur tao paipai vs goku u keep forcing? that wasnt a surprise attack he knew very well tao paipai is strong so he's keeping his guard up while accepting the punches, on Frieza's part Goku was blindsided by a ring beam, whats so hard to see there? he was being over confident like Whis said therefore payed the price thats all. What I find weird is Vegeta actually unable to stop Frieza's attack on destroying earth despite Vegeta being fresh and Frieza very worn down.

[mAcChaos]

I'm flabbergasted why people have a problem with the shot-through-the-heart thing.

The whole setup with Whis early on foreshadowed how Goku leaves himself open. Goku left himself open. He got shot. Through a vital organ.

He had a heart disease before, too. Disease of the same vital organ. It's already been established that damage to the heart is a serious problem.

To be consistent, if you have a problem with one, you have to have a problem with both. Do you?

I'm sorry, VegettoEX, but a decease is nowhere comparable. Nowhere in the series is stated that Goku or any Saiyan is impervious to decease. But we do have plenty of examples of Goku being impervious or almost impervious to external force (whether its Ki or something else) unless Goku lowers his defenses enough or unless the force is so great that it overpowers Goku's defenses.

So, we only have two possibilities:

a) Goku, for some reason, while the battle wasn't over yet, randomly lowered his defenses enough to be wrecked by a random laser ring, or

It is obviously the first option. The movie even makes a big deal out of it, and then it happens. Goku is already overconfident because he treats every genocidal threat as a sparring partner. This is not out of the ordinary for him.

[Sparko33]

Whis while training Goku said he is too relaxed and over confident in his abilities, he was looking down on a worn down Freeza he thinks the battle is done,he was being over confident and didnt expect anything can hurt him since Freeza was down so he probably lowered his ki, we all know how important ''Ki'' is to DB verse. Also that ring may have something special in it since that wasnt a normal ki blast, its from a ring and I'm sure AT did that on purpose so that Goku can logically get injured from a grunt.

This must be happen. Or else,Goku should cry for much more weaker than himself in the past
But i don't think a Freeza's hechmen has something powerful like that

I dont know why ur being so nitty about this, Whis said Goku is way to relaxed/soft, that itself is enough proof that he gets shot, and ur tao paipai vs goku u keep forcing? that wasnt a surprise attack he knew very well tao paipai is strong so he's keeping his guard up while accepting the punches, on Freeza's part Goku was blindsided by a ring beam, whats so hard to see there? he was being over confident like Whis said therefore payed the price thats all. What I find weird is Vegeta actually unable to stop Freeza's attack on destroying earth despite Vegeta being fresh and Freeza very worn down.

Obviously a move on the author's part to let the protagonist get the final blow. Though we haven't seen the movie yet and the summary doesn't tell us enough about that scene; maybe he was caught off guard as well? Nobody knows as of yet.

[mAcChaos]

What I find weird is Vegeta actually unable to stop Freeza's attack on destroying earth despite Vegeta being fresh and Freeza very worn down.

We never had somebody trying to destroy the Earth when their hand was touching the planet. They always through a ball high up in the air, giving time for the other person to get under it and deflect it or to fire a ki blast. How do you stop it if it is already inside the Earth though?

[SansrivaaL]

Obviously a move on the author's part to let the protagonist get the final blow. Though we haven't seen the movie yet and the summary doesn't tell us enough about that scene; maybe he was caught off guard as well? Nobody knows as of yet.

On Goku's part I can accept it since he probably wasnt aware that an attack would come from anyone other than Frieza, on Vegeta's case there was no distraction just him and Frieza, unless he decides to not look at Frieza for some reason while Frieza launches an attack to destroy earth I aint buying it.

[vegitot]

I'm flabbergasted why people have a problem with the shot-through-the-heart thing.

The whole setup with Whis early on foreshadowed how Goku leaves himself open. Goku left himself open. He got shot. Through a vital organ.

He had a heart disease before, too. Disease of the same vital organ. It's already been established that damage to the heart is a serious problem.

To be consistent, if you have a problem with one, you have to have a problem with both. Do you?

I've posted the Goku vs Tao Pai Pai. And the gap between Goku and Tao Pai Pai simply can't compare to Goku and Sorbet one.
And the heart disease was a stupid thing. How could a super saiyan have a disease?
By the way,Goku is a powerful martial artist with a lot of experience,skills. He's learned many things from many different masters.He could overcome his weaknesses...But this time,AT makes him look like an amateur fighter with zero experience.
Poor Goku

[SansrivaaL]

What I find weird is Vegeta actually unable to stop Freeza's attack on destroying earth despite Vegeta being fresh and Freeza very worn down.

We never had somebody trying to destroy the Earth when their hand was touching the planet. They always through a ball high up in the air, giving time for the other person to get under it and deflect it or to fire a ki blast. How do you stop it if it is already inside the Earth though?

Frieza was touching the earth? so Vegeta didnt realize that Frieza was consuming his ki planning to destroy earth? I give....

[Baggie_Saiyan]

What was up with #18, btw? Instead of saying that Krillin was cool, it would be far more helpful if she went to help him. She is stronger, after all... No logic there.

Kei17 said Krillin told her not too because he thought it was the same weak Freeza.

[SansrivaaL]

I'm flabbergasted why people have a problem with the shot-through-the-heart thing.

The whole setup with Whis early on foreshadowed how Goku leaves himself open. Goku left himself open. He got shot. Through a vital organ.

He had a heart disease before, too. Disease of the same vital organ. It's already been established that damage to the heart is a serious problem.

To be consistent, if you have a problem with one, you have to have a problem with both. Do you?

I've posted the Goku vs Tao Pai Pai. And the gap between Goku and Tao Pai Pai simply can't compare to Goku and Sorbet one.
And the heart disease was a stupid thing. How could a super saiyan have a disease?
By the way,Goku is a powerful martial artist with a lot of experience,skills. He's learned many things from many different masters.He could overcome his weaknesses...But this time,AT makes him look like an amateur fighter with zero experience.
Poor Goku

I'd rather take Goku's over confidence getting shot than Vegeta being nervous to fight Frieza even after he consumed the god form and taking on a weak Frieza lol, its like AT tells us ''yea people, Vegeta is still Frieza's b*tch even after all these years''

[mAcChaos]

What I find weird is Vegeta actually unable to stop Freeza's attack on destroying earth despite Vegeta being fresh and Freeza very worn down.

We never had somebody trying to destroy the Earth when their hand was touching the planet. They always through a ball high up in the air, giving time for the other person to get under it and deflect it or to fire a ki blast. How do you stop it if it is already inside the Earth though?

Freeza was touching the earth? so Vegeta didnt realize that Freeza was consuming his ki planning to destroy earth? I give....

Well, look what it says here:

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Back in his fourth form, he pounds against the ground in despair. Standing before Freeza, Vegeta prepares to deliver the final blow…

Freeza sends a ball of energy straight into the ground below him.

It says that he's pounding the ground, then sends an energy ball straight into it.

The logic of "why didn't he stop him when he was gathering the energy" can apply to any situation where the bad guy is trying to blow up the Earth. It happens every time. They gather the ki and have a chance to fire it, and nobody does anything until it's been fired.

I'd rather take Goku's over confidence getting shot than Vegeta being nervous to fight Freeza even after he consumed the god form and taking on a weak Freeza lol, its like AT tells us ''yea people, Vegeta is still Freeza's b*tch even after all these years''

If you're traumatized by somebody then your physical power doesn't always matter.

[vegitot]

I dont know why ur being so nitty about this, Whis said Goku is way to relaxed/soft, that itself is enough proof that he gets shot, and ur tao paipai vs goku u keep forcing? that wasnt a surprise attack he knew very well tao paipai is strong so he's keeping his guard up while accepting the punches, on Freeza's part Goku was blindsided by a ring beam, whats so hard to see there? he was being over confident like Whis said therefore payed the price thats all. What I find weird is Vegeta actually unable to stop Freeza's attack on destroying earth despite Vegeta being fresh and Freeza very worn down.

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