Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[JahSly90]

If that's the case why did Vegeta have to die? Freeza's blast at a weak state can't possibly harm Vegeta, since it was confirmed Vegeta was much powerful at that point. So unless Vegeta died because of no air to breath, then it's inconsistent to me.

[mAcChaos]

@Vegitot: He's in an enemy base. I don't think you know what they mean by "off guard."

[rereboy]

What was up with #18, btw? Instead of saying that Krillin was cool, it would be far more helpful if she went to help him. She is stronger, after all... No logic there.

Kei17 said Krillin told her not too because he thought it was the same weak Freeza.

I already answered Kei17 on that. Freeza having the same power level or more is irrelevant to their usefulness. #18 would always be more useful than Krillin in every conceivable situation, whether its fighting Freeza's minions or Freeza himself.

Not to mention that #18 actually is stronger than Freeza was back then, while Krillin apparently isn't, so, if Freeza isn't stronger, #18 would be the one who would be safe by going, not Krillin.

That justification fails to explain why #18 is left behind while Krillin goes.

[mAcChaos]

If that's the case why did vegeta have to die? Freeza's blast at a weak state can't possibly harm vegeta since it was confirmed vegeta was much powerful at that point. So unless vegeta died because of no air to breath, then its inconsistent to me.

Nobody said he died from the blast though. I just assumed that it was from the air. Obviously if Freeza was strong enough to kill him with his blast, he would just fire at Vegeta and not resort to blowing up the planet. He couldn't hurt Vegeta so he had to kill him another way.

[Sparko33]

I'd rather take Goku's over confidence getting shot than Vegeta being nervous to fight Freeza even after he consumed the god form and taking on a weak Freeza lol, its like AT tells us ''yea people, Vegeta is still Freeza's b*tch even after all these years''

No, thats mostly you being biased towards one of the protagonists and have a seemingly disgust of the other (along with another couple of members who post in this thread for the past few days). We haven't seen the nervous scene yet so we're not sure exactly what it meant. You also CONVENIENTLY seem to forget that is was Vegeta who saved Goku (yet again) by deflecting Freeza's blasts and giving him the senzu bean; so pay respect where its due. As far as I'm concerned, I'm happy Vegeta was able to absorb the God form as well (it isn't unique to Goku anymore implying they're both prodigies and close in level if not on par). You also forget that Vegeta noted Freeza's stamina was leaving him with the new form, so both fighters figured out the weakness, nowhere is it implied that Vegeta couldn't do what Goku did against a fresh Freeza; and if anything Vegeta's beating was even worse because Freeza lost his Gold form. Vegeta was probably caught off guard when he saw Freeza rage on the floor, not expecting him to charge up his ki to blow up the planet (especially considering the fact that Freeza is known for taking long to charge his ki attacks in the past, so maybe he did it quick or something). But until I see the scene for myself, I can't fully judge, it could be another plot hole to 'let Goku take the kill' if you can call it that, because I don't really think Goku did a good job in this movie to be honest, its not like him to take help, let alone go back in time to undo a mistake lol

[mAcChaos]

What was up with #18, btw? Instead of saying that Krillin was cool, it would be far more helpful if she went to help him. She is stronger, after all... No logic there.

Kei17 said Krillin told her not too because he thought it was the same weak Freeza.

I already answered Kei17 on that. Freeza having the same power level or more is irrelevant to their usefulness. #18 would always be more useful than Krillin in every conceivable situation, whether its fighting Freeza's minions or Freeza himself.

Not to mention that #18 actually is stronger than Freeza was back then, while Krillin apparently isn't, so, if Freeza isn't stronger, #18 would be the one who would be safe by going, not Krillin.

That justification fails to explain why #18 is left behind while Krillin goes.

Because they think Freeza is going to get one-shotted by half the cast so nobody thinks it's serious enough to actually bring out everybody to fight.

[JahSly90]

If that's the case why did vegeta have to die? Freeza's blast at a weak state can't possibly harm vegeta since it was confirmed vegeta was much powerful at that point. So unless vegeta died because of no air to breath, then its inconsistent to me.

Nobody said he died from the blast though. I just assumed that it was from the air. Obviously if Freeza was strong enough to kill him with his blast, he would just fire at Vegeta and not resort to blowing up the planet. He couldn't hurt Vegeta so he had to kill him another way.

Oh ok, that makes sense then. It's basically what Freeza tried to do with Goku on Namek since he couldn't win. And I guess this would truly confirm Saiyans can't survive in space.

[vegitot]

If that's the case why did vegeta have to die? Freeza's blast at a weak state can't possibly harm vegeta since it was confirmed vegeta was much powerful at that point. So unless vegeta died because of no air to breath, then its inconsistent to me.

It confirms that Vegeta dies with the earth
How Vegeta looked like in his earrly day

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And now he is killed by an exhausted Frieza's planet busting. How fun

[SansrivaaL]

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The difference there is the Goku from that time actually keeps his guard up, he isnt as relaxed/soft and over confident as he is now + he wasnt distracted at that time + he was inside an enemy territory. Goku is stupid but not that stupid.

[mAcChaos]

The real question is, how was Vegeta going to survive after blowing up the Earth in the Saiyan arc. :V

[JahSly90]

If that's the case why did vegeta have to die? Freeza's blast at a weak state can't possibly harm vegeta since it was confirmed vegeta was much powerful at that point. So unless vegeta died because of no air to breath, then its inconsistent to me.

It confirms that Vegeta dies with the earth
How Vegeta looked like in his earrly day
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And now he is killed by an exhausted Freeza's planet busting. How fun

If he did, then it would be crazy inconsistent. It sounds to me like a plot device all just so Whis can rewind time so Goku could take the win. Freeza doesn't even need to kill himself if his aim was to destroy Earth and have Vegeta suffocate with no air. So I'm still wondering on this.

[vegitot]

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The difference there is the Goku from that time actually keeps his guard up, he isnt as relaxed/soft and over confident as he is now + he wasnt distracted at that time + he was inside an enemy territory. Goku is stupid but not that stupid.

Goku got hits without any preparation
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[Vegitofaxx]

I don't think the admins'll apreciate all the scanlations in the thread right now...

[rereboy]

Because they think Freeza is going to get one-shotted by half the cast so nobody thinks it's serious enough to actually bring out everybody to fight.

Then there's no point in Krillin bothering to shave his head and going. Just stay home and let them handle it.

If Krillin goes it's because he thinks he might be useful. And if he might useful, then #18 has a much higher chance of being useful than him. There's no logic in Krillin going because he thinks he might be useful but #18 staying.

[JahSly90]

The real question is, how was Vegeta going to survive after blowing up the Earth in the Saiyan arc. :V

Exactly. lol It was hinted for us that vegeta could survive in space even if it were for a short time. When he went to train to become SSJ wasn't he in space destroying meteors? I know the manga don't show this but even in DBZ kai that scene is not cut out as filler.

[rereboy]

The real question is, how was Vegeta going to survive after blowing up the Earth in the Saiyan arc. :V

That's only a problem if you assume that the Earth would instantly blow up. As long as it took a few minutes to actually explode (like Namek), Vegeta would have time to summon his ship and get out.

[SansrivaaL]

I'd rather take Goku's over confidence getting shot than Vegeta being nervous to fight Freeza even after he consumed the god form and taking on a weak Freeza lol, its like AT tells us ''yea people, Vegeta is still Freeza's b*tch even after all these years''

No, thats mostly you being biased towards one of the protagonists and have a seemingly disgust of the other (along with another couple of members who post in this thread for the past few days). We haven't seen the nervous scene yet so we're not sure exactly what it meant. You also CONVENIENTLY seem to forget that is was Vegeta who saved Goku (yet again) by deflecting Freeza's blasts and giving him the senzu bean; so pay respect where its due. As far as I'm concerned, I'm happy Vegeta was able to absorb the God form as well (it isn't unique to Goku anymore implying they're both prodigies and close in level if not on par). You also forget that Vegeta noted Freeza's stamina was leaving him with the new form, so both fighters figured out the weakness, nowhere is it implied that Vegeta couldn't do what Goku did against a fresh Freeza; and if anything Vegeta's beating was even worse because Freeza lost his Gold form. Vegeta was probably caught off guard when he saw Freeza rage on the floor, not expecting him to charge up his ki to blow up the planet (especially considering the fact that Freeza is known for taking long to charge his ki attacks in the past, so maybe he did it quick or something). But until I see the scene for myself, I can't fully judge, it could be another plot hole to 'let Goku take the kill' if you can call it that, because I don't really think Goku did a good job in this movie to be honest, its not like him to take help, let alone go back in time to undo a mistake lol

I dont wanna hear the word biased from a hardcore vegeta fan like yourself, u also seem to forget that it was Goku who also saved Vegeta from death, if it were not for that time travel thing Vegeta would be dead now, and srsly do u not know Vegeta's attitude? both him and Goku wanted to fight buu first but now it seems its ok for him to not fight first, u do know Vegeta was watching Goku and Frieza's fight right? analyzing wouldnt be a hard thing from my point of view, its not like Goku to take help? are u forgetting who forced Vegeta to do a fusion with him? its Vegeta I find not himself here, he always wants to fight but here it seems he only got interested after Frieza's down for the count.

[Noah]

Personal changes I’d make to the movie, based on the synopsis:

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- Increase the number of soldiers. Seriously, since when is 1k a threat? Bump it up to 10k or 100k and then maybe the Z fighters are forced to actually have a little trouble.

- So you want me to believe that various Ki locating specialists, who sensed Goku and Boo fighting in a different dimension, can’t sense when two huge powerlevels approach Earth? Not even the GOD of Earth who’s supposed to oversee things and be alert to these kinds of things? No! Add some kind of cloaking device to Sorbet’s ship, that hides their Ki while they’re on Earth. It’s much more believable that they’d find the DBs that way.

- Increase Freeza’s training time. This is obvious; I can accept the whole excuse that he’s a prodigy and whatnot, but at least make his training longer, like a year at least. Also show it. Even if it’s something generic like gravity training, at least show us the kind of training Freeza will put himself through in order to get revenge.

- Explain Golden Freeza. I mean, what the hell? We don’t know anything about it, what is it? How did Freeza know how to achieve it? Is it the reason why first form and final form Freeza are so strong, did he manage to use part of its power in those forms like SSJG? Does every race have a transformation that they can access or are the Saiyans and Freeza just special?

- Nitpick, but I think that Freeza asking the Z-fighters for Future Trunks would have been a cool interaction, he speaks about getting revenge on both Saiyans but then is obsessed with Goku the rest of the film.

- Cast of characters chosen are fine. I can understand 18 not fighting. Trunks and Goten would make for some good interactions between them and Freeza, but I don’t mind it much that they were left out. Mr. Boo, however, is a must. Freeza mentions him, it would provide us with great interactions between the two and we haven’t seen Mr. Boo fight in a loooong time.

- I can understand why they left Boo and Gotenks out and why they nerfed Gohan, they would get rid of the army too easily, I get that. But if you think they’re too powerful, don’t nerf them, make the opponents more powerful instead. Increase the number of soldiers like I said; this movie was a perfect opportunity to introduce a few new interesting characters like the Ginyu Force but we only get Tagoma, who gets killed very early on, and Sorbet. Add like 4 new guys, the new Ginyu Force or something. Have them be new recruits from different dimensions or something, or they trained along with Freeza to increase their power. One at SSJ2 level would be fine for Mr. Boo, one at Perfect Cell level for Piccolo and the other two at like 50% Freeza level for Kuririn and Tenshinhan.

- Do not disrespect Gohan, don’t forget about his ultimate power-up. While everyone else deals with fodder soldiers and the new Ginyu Force, let ultimate Gohan stomp first form Freeza for a while, and then proceed to get stomped (or an even fight, either or) by final form Freeza when he transforms. Then Gohan doesn’t have a good moment at the cost of Piccolo’s dignity like in this movie, and he doesn’t immediately get one shot. He also keeps his title of strongest non-fused and non-deity Z fighter; the whole scene of Freeza almost killing Gohan can be kept.

- Why were they sparring their opponents? Only Goku has been worried with that in the past, and he has let go of that habit, then why is everyone doing it now? Is it just to say they’re holding back and that’s why they have a bit of trouble? Is it just to make Freeza look badass by killing his own men? I can appreciate the second option, but it’s really out of character for people like Piccolo to spare his opponents when he has never done that before. Let them kill them, geez.

- More info on SSJG. It’s such a cheap transformation that they can abuse so easily. If they sensed Freeza’s ki, why didn’t Gohan and the others ask to do the ritual? Just to be sure they’re ready if Freeza - no, if any threat ever comes to Earth again. There’s no drawback to SSJG, if they fail to absorb the Godly Ki, just re-do the ritual until they get it right. Add some restrictions to it, damn. Make it so that beings with Godly Ki can’t participate in the ritual, and since there’s only Trunks, Goten, Gohan, Pan, Bra and Vegeta left, they could only do the ritual to one more person (Vegeta ofc). This also allows for a further ritual if F. Trunks ever comes back or Tarble returns to Earth.

- Better explanation on the Blue SSJG. It’s “Super Saiyan fused with Super Saiyan God” but we already saw Goku turning SSJ in BoG. Is it like a mastered form? How did they achieve it? Does it have a time limit? If they can turn Blue Super Saiyan God now, does it mean they can turn into the normal SSJG at will too?

- Why the hell does Freeza believe Vegeta still has some loyalty left? I understand if he asks it one time and lets it go when Vegeta says no, but he kept insisting throughout their fight. It seems like forced lines just so that Vegeta can admit he likes Goku or whatever.

- I like that Golden Freeza has a drawback, but don’t make the fights so one-sided. Freeza was literally a punching bag the entire fight. Make G. Freeza vs Goku an even fight until Goku gets distracted and let G. Freeza hit Vegeta with a few good hits, even if the latter has the advantage.

- What the hell was Sorbet’s ring all about? It seemed like it had so much potential from the trailer and in the film it only serves to shoot one beam, what?! And it comes out of nowhere as well, with no mention prior of it in the film (not in the summary at least). Why does he need a ring, does it hold some type of special power? Can he not use Ki? The ring could have been a great tool, it has been a long time since someone in DB has used items. In my opinion, the ring should have some type of ability like absorbing Ki in a specific area (the entire battlefield, just exclude Freeza as I’m sure he won’t like it). Something like 2% every 5 minutes or something.

- And with the above in mind, now it would make sense for Sorbet to actually manage to hurt Goku. There have been cases of weaker characters hurting stronger characters in the past, but this is like Mr. Satan hurting SSJ Vegetto, it doesn’t make any sense. If Sorbet’s ring had some kind of Ki absorbing ability and then could convert it into beams, then it’d make sense for him to hurt Goku, as he’d actually have part of Mr. Boo’s and Gohan’s Ki incorporated into it. Not enough to actually hurt Goku when he’s with his guard up, but when he’s distracted it works. Either that, or make G. Freeza pull a Piccolo Jr. and shoot a death beam through Goku’s chest when he though Freeza was dead.

- Change the ending completely. Get rid of that stupid plot device that made Freeza a joke. Have Freeza die not in a way that completely humiliates his character. Let him suicide by blowing up Earth and killing everyone. Let Whis save those that were on the battlefield (Jaco, Bulma, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Roshi, Boo, Gohan, Piccolo). Vegeta, Goku and Beerus don’t need saving because they’re strong enough to survive Freeza’s blast and since they’re actually Gods now, it’s about time Goku and Vegeta got over their weakness of not being able to survive in space. If there’s a good excuse as to why now they can when they couldn’t before it’s definitely Godly Ki. Have Goku lament for his inability to save everyone and say it’s all his fault; have him also ask Whis to turn back time and then have Whis refuse because Goku needs to take responsibility for his mistakes, which will make his character a very harsh teacher when he needs to be. Either go to Namek and make a wish or, like I said before, come up with an excuse as to why the Namek balls don’t work and have Whis offer Goku and Vegeta a way to go to another universe to use their Dragon Balls. This way, there's a cliffhanger for the next movie, this ending allows closure for Vegeta (it’s only debatable because Trunks died in the blast, but he will obviously resurrect him the future) while simultaneously giving him his moment to shine, Goku also gets a time to shine for a while, Freeza’s resurrection isn’t pointless, he doesn’t get completely humiliated and his death accomplished something.

Not trying to sound pretentious by saying I could write a better movie than Toriyama, of course not that's never my intention. However, these are some changes that I would personally make to the film, while keeping the same premise, if I was in charge of the script. Everything I didn’t change from the synopsis, either I like or don’t mind.

Congratulations, Doctor.

If things went that way that would be surely a movie that I would have the pleasure of watching.

Toriyama sin consisting in wanting to be real simple and not give us the important details about the plot, unfortunately.

[vegitot]

Vegeta dies because of the lack of oxygen is stupid too
He decided to destroy the earth when he fighted Goku
And in Battle of Gods,Goku can breath in the space. People may say that because Goku had god power.But now Vegeta has,too

[Sparko33]

Vegeta dies because of the lack of oxygen is stupid too
He decided to destroy the earth when he fighted Goku
And in Battle of Gods,Goku can breath in the space. People may say that because Goku had god power.But now Vegeta has,too

In BoG they were still within Earth's atmosphere it seems. But I can agree, there seems to be some plot holes and inconsistencies, DBZ tends to have those from time to time...