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Post by Wilderness » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:08 am

Long manga strips not embedded in spoiler tags, and then quoted and replied with more strips definitely isn't inconvenient for mobile users. ;)

I've not been part of the DBZ community for long (some would some I'm barely in it now), but you guys do love a good moan. I don't get how you can already hate a movie that you haven't even seen? Just because your favourite muscleman character didn't kill the bad guy, that's enough for you to say 'hey this movie that I haven't seen sucks' - makes no sense to me.
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Post by Mystic Tien » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:09 am

UpFromTheSkies wrote:Has anyone mentioned what this new SSJ form means for GT? It seems to me like this is the final "nail in the coffin" for GT being a part of the official continuity.
Different timelines, different universes, besides Toriyama doesn't know anything about DBZ and GT anyway, he knows only about his manga, so he doesn't even try to make it consistent with anime.
Chuquita wrote: Even if we have split it, I can't imagine them officially acknowledging it; Dragon Ball Heroes is too dependent on GT to have it officially invalidated.
No one in Toei, and especially Toriyama, cares about continuity.
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UpFromTheSkies wrote:Has anyone mentioned what this new SSJ form means for GT? It seems to me like this is the final "nail in the coffin" for GT being a part of the official continuity.
Well I think about the only thing you can get everyone to agree on is that the original manga is the "official continuity" and everything else is just whatever you decide. Want this movie to be "official," well go right ahead because otherwise people will point out that Toriyama said it was made AS IF the manga was continued. Want the TOEI movies to count? Good luck! But you can if you like. Want GT to count? Ignore these new movies and try to accept GT as the logical next step after DBZ ends.

Personally, I consider the manga Toriyama wrote and the anime from DB to DBZ + Yo! Son Goku + BOG + ROF as the official continuity making GT now retconned. And the previous 13 movies are all "what if" scenario side stories.
And it also is possible to make everything count, by just letting everything happening in different timelines and universes. What doesn't fit is just happening in the other universe/timeline.
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Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.

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Post by SansrivaaL » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:10 am

vegitot wrote: Goku got hits without any preparation
And
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Goku? also Cell just got out of his new form and he looks good as new, Goku on the other hand was exhausted after the fight and just let his guard down. Is it so hard to understand that the guy let his guard down? that it was even foreshadowed at the beginning when they were training? Whis told him that, Frieza told him that, Whis told him that Vegeta told him that, another example is him against majin Vegeta, both of them were worn down but a surprise 1hit from Vegeta the guy gets knocked out.

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Post by mAcChaos » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:10 am

rereboy wrote:
mAcChaos wrote:The real question is, how was Vegeta going to survive after blowing up the Earth in the Saiyan arc. :V
That's only a problem if you assume that the Earth would instantly blow up. As long as it took a few minutes to actually explode (like Namek), Vegeta would have time to summon his ship and get out.
Ah, I forgot about this option.

Yeah that makes sense.
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Post by rereboy » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:12 am

Wilderness wrote:Long manga strips not embedded in spoiler tags, and then quoted and replied with more strips definitely isn't inconvenient for mobile users. ;)

I've not been part of the DBZ community for long (some would some I'm barely in it now), but you guys do love a good moan. I don't get how you can already hate a movie that you haven't even seen? Just because your favourite muscleman character didn't kill the bad guy, that's enough for you to say 'hey this movie that I haven't seen sucks' - makes no sense to me.
We have a pretty detailed summary. There's nothing wrong with criticizing plot points. And there's little worse than people who blindly accept everything as great and don't have an opinion of their own on things. Criticism is great and necessary. But of course I agree that exaggerated negativity is unwelcome.

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Post by Sparko33 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:17 am

rereboy wrote: We have a pretty detailed summary. There's nothing wrong with criticizing plot points. And there's little worse than people who blindly accept everything as great and don't have an opinion of their own on things. Criticism is great and necessary. But of course I agree that exaggerated negativity is unwelcome.
^This. If people just blindly accept everything about every movie/series/episode that comes out, then the creators will keep making what they see fit even if it has bad flaws, since the money would still be coming in. Criticism is healthy, and I think the majority of people have found something they really disliked about this movie, whether it was plot, character interactions or flaws, plot holes, the ending itself or even the fact that it doesn't build up to another possible movie. Nothing wrong with stating your opinion.

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Post by Chuquita » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:18 am

I'm really curious to read how the detailed summary differs from the condensed one. I feel like I'm probably gonna like the detailed summary better.
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Post by vegitot » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:18 am

SansrivaaL wrote:
vegitot wrote: Goku got hits without any preparation
And
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Goku? also Cell just got out of his new form and he looks good as new, Goku on the other hand was exhausted after the fight and just let his guard down. Is it so hard to understand that the guy let his guard down? that it was even foreshadowed at the beginning when they were training? Whis told him that, Freeza told him that, Whis told him that Vegeta told him that, another example is him against majin Vegeta, both of them were worn down but a surprise 1hit from Vegeta the guy gets knocked out.
And Sorbet can compare to Goku? :lol: Krillin hit Cell with his full force.Cell even didn't care. Did Cell get hurt?
And like i wrote,Goku already is a powerful martial artist,with a lot of experience,skills...But this time they make him look like an amateur fighter.
Majin Vegeta=Goku SSJ2. Both are exhausted and Vegeta hit in the Goku's neck-one of the weakest part on the body(like kick in the nut)

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Post by Saiga » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:21 am

UpFromTheSkies wrote:
Saiga wrote:That's a pretty unfair and inaccurate way to put it. Not all fans are identical, even the critical ones, so generalizing like that doesn't really work.
Have you interacted with fans from other series? It's completely accurate. They would really like to have the series that they are fans of frozen in time and placed behind glass so no one can ever touch it again... and they can admire it forever, and complain that it ended.
And this is nothing more than another generalisation... you have no examples to work with. It's barely even anecdotal.

So no, no accuracy in this at all... just you deciding what other fans want.
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Post by vegitot » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:22 am

rereboy wrote:
mAcChaos wrote:The real question is, how was Vegeta going to survive after blowing up the Earth in the Saiyan arc. :V
That's only a problem if you assume that the Earth would instantly blow up. As long as it took a few minutes to actually explode (like Namek), Vegeta would have time to summon his ship and get out.
i don't think he needed time.

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Post by FinalFlash » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:24 am

Hey Kei17, I have a pretty minor question that I'm curious about. The summary states that Kuririn rushes home to have 18 shave his head. Where do they live now? Are they still mooching off of Roshi or do they have their own place?

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Post by rereboy » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:25 am

vegitot wrote: i don't think he needed time.
I don't think you understood what I stated. People were saying that if Vegeta destroyed Earth, he would die with it, which is a logical problem. And I stated that that's only a problem if Earth exploded instantly with his blast. If Earth, after being hit with his blast, took a few minutes to explode, like Namek, he would have time to leave the planet in his ship, so he wouldn't die.

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Post by bubibartra » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:29 am

SansrivaaL wrote:
vegitot wrote:
VegettoEX wrote:I'm flabbergasted why people have a problem with the shot-through-the-heart thing.

The whole setup with Whis early on foreshadowed how Goku leaves himself open. Goku left himself open. He got shot. Through a vital organ.

He had a heart disease before, too. Disease of the same vital organ. It's already been established that damage to the heart is a serious problem.

To be consistent, if you have a problem with one, you have to have a problem with both. Do you?
I've posted the Goku vs Tao Pai Pai. And the gap between Goku and Tao Pai Pai simply can't compare to Goku and Sorbet one.
And the heart disease was a stupid thing. How could a super saiyan have a disease?
By the way,Goku is a powerful martial artist with a lot of experience,skills. He's learned many things from many different masters.He could overcome his weaknesses...But this time,AT makes him look like an amateur fighter with zero experience.
Poor Goku
I'd rather take Goku's over confidence getting shot than Vegeta being nervous to fight Freeza even after he consumed the god form and taking on a weak Freeza lol, its like AT tells us ''yea people, Vegeta is still Freeza's b*tch even after all these years''

but then continues....

"Beerus notes that Vegeta isn’t fighting together with Goku, and that the two of them are just too proud. Beerus calls them both fools, which Whis says is just like the God himself."

Beerus not think Vegeta afraid, think Vegeta and Goku had a problem of pride,

And I think that you is rushing to say that Vegeta was afraid,


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Post by BrandonR24 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:35 am

Reading through all the comments, I'm personally hyped. I don't think it will live up to BoG's, that movie was just too great in my opinion. This sounds like some good butt-kicking fun. Hoping the next film continues the BoG's story though with the 12 universes and what-not, really wanted to see what would happen! Just happy this gets dubbed for this summer, better believe I'm gonna be there!

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Post by Mystic Tien » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:36 am

Sparko33 wrote: I agree, some people just like to associate themselves with certain characters I guess, which is why they go all 'fanboyism' mode on everything.

I wonder whatever happened to the good old days where everyone would just enjoy DBZ like when we were kids; nowadays all I see is power level talk and character fanboys fighting. Don't think AT ever intended for this to happen, thank God he'll never see some of these comments because he'd definately decline working another movie again.
On the contrary. He would deliberately put everything which fans disliked in this movie in the other movie, and would even increase its amount to the highest degree. This is just his personality.
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Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.

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Post by kei17 » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:41 am

rereboy wrote:Then there's no point in Krillin bothering to shave his head and going. Just stay home and let them handle it.

If Krillin goes it's because he thinks he might be useful. And if he might useful, then #18 has a much higher chance of being useful than him. There's no logic in Krillin going because he thinks he might be useful but #18 staying.
After introducing him as a police officer with a strong sense of justice, letting him just stay home in front of the world's crisis would have been a very weird choice. Also, as I stated, they obviously gathered the characters from the early arcs and made Krillin bald again to remind us the Freeza arc. In addition, focusing more on someone already connected with Freeza is a pretty natural choise story-wise.

Making everything logical plot-wise is not necessarily a good way to write a fun story. If rationality is everything, you should argue it's not logical that Freeza doesn't destroy the earth with a single shot from outer space before being noticed. Some degree of illogicalness is necessary for entertainment.

I wonder why this kind of people expect logic in every bit of fiction. Have you every been perfectly logical? Why shouldn't fictinal characters make any mistake?
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Post by Xeogran » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:47 am

Two things guys:

Did that Sorbet "Just as planned" line turn out to be fake?

And also, what's up with Nakao saying that Freeza lost the battle but won the war?
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Post by sintzu » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:47 am

Kei17,how long were the 2 fight scenes with Freeza ?
Nightstar1994 wrote:Two things guys:

Did that Sorbet "Just as planned" line turn out to be fake?

And also, what's up with Nakao saying that Freeza lost the battle but won the war?
It was fake.

He lost the battle against Vegeta but won the war by blowing up earth.
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Post by Doctor. » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:54 am

Noah wrote:
Doctor. wrote:Personal changes I’d make to the movie, based on the synopsis:
Not trying to sound pretentious by saying I could write a better movie than Toriyama, of course not that's never my intention. However, these are some changes that I would personally make to the film, while keeping the same premise, if I was in charge of the script. Everything I didn’t change from the synopsis, either I like or don’t mind.
Congratulations, Doctor. :clap: :clap: :clap:

If things went that way that would be surely a movie that I would have the pleasure of watching.

Toriyama sin consisting in wanting to be real simple and not give us the important details about the plot, unfortunately.
Thanks, I just thought the premise of this film really had a lot of potential but they ultimately did close to nothing with it; so, I made my own version of how I'd like things to pan out.

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Post by SansrivaaL » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:55 am

vegitot wrote:
SansrivaaL wrote:
vegitot wrote: Goku got hits without any preparation
And
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Goku? also Cell just got out of his new form and he looks good as new, Goku on the other hand was exhausted after the fight and just let his guard down. Is it so hard to understand that the guy let his guard down? that it was even foreshadowed at the beginning when they were training? Whis told him that, Freeza told him that, Whis told him that Vegeta told him that, another example is him against majin Vegeta, both of them were worn down but a surprise 1hit from Vegeta the guy gets knocked out.
And Sorbet can compare to Goku? :lol: Krillin hit Cell with his full force.Cell even didn't care. Did Cell get hurt?
And like i wrote,Goku already is a powerful martial artist,with a lot of experience,skills...But this time they make him look like an amateur fighter.
Majin Vegeta=Goku SSJ2. Both are exhausted and Vegeta hit in the Goku's neck-one of the weakest part on the body(like kick in the nut)
I used that as an example that Goku is soft not with powerlevels, his personality itself, yes he is a genius martial artist but still that does not make him perfect atm as I said for about a lot of times he has a flaw and whis,frieza,beerus,vegeta stated that. This is basically just AT's way that Goku is still growing,unless u didnt get the foreshadowing u are too biased.

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