Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[shinmaru]

Never heard someone complain when Goku got hurt by a punch in the face by Krillin. Even if it was Movie and not in the Manga, there are more examples like this in DB. People now days watch new DBZ with magnifying glasses.

18 is stronger then Krillin, but I still think Krillin is more a tactical fighter.

[Mystic Tien]

I'd rather take Goku's over confidence getting shot than Vegeta being nervous to fight Freeza even after he consumed the god form and taking on a weak Freeza lol, its like AT tells us ''yea people, Vegeta is still Freeza's b*tch even after all these years''

No, thats mostly you being biased towards one of the protagonists and have a seemingly disgust of the other (along with another couple of members who post in this thread for the past few days). We haven't seen the nervous scene yet so we're not sure exactly what it meant.

I am pretty sure that this is it


And it looks shockingly similar to reaction of Vegeta towards Beerus from BoG.


He seems to be scared for me in this scene, the same way as he was horrified by sight of Beerus in Battle of Gods. Kei, may you confirm, if this screenshot (which was later shown in a trailer as well) was indeed in a movie and if it was in that particular scene with Vegeta being nervous?

[Rocketman]

Mind if I ask if you had a manga/anime pic showing this?

It's right after he arrives to fight Super Buu - Piccolo comments on it.

Then there's no point in Krillin bothering to shave his head and going. Just stay home and let them handle it.

If Krillin goes it's because he thinks he might be useful. And if he might useful, then #18 has a much higher chance of being useful than him. There's no logic in Krillin going because he thinks he might be useful but #18 staying.

18 has a vagina, though. Vagina-havers don't get to fight after they squirt out a babby.

[Mystic Tien]

Because they think Freeza is going to get one-shotted by half the cast so nobody thinks it's serious enough to actually bring out everybody to fight.

Then there was no reason for Krillin to go fight at all, if he thought that Freeza would be so easily defeated.

[Chuquita]

Would've liked to have seen Bulma pilot an attack mech against the Freeza forces instead of just verbally chew Freeza out.
Ah well.

[Mystic Tien]

Goku got hits without any preparation
And

Spoiler:

...

Goku? also Cell just got out of his new form and he looks good as new, Goku on the other hand was exhausted after the fight and just let his guard down. Is it so hard to understand that the guy let his guard down? that it was even foreshadowed at the beginning when they were training? Whis told him that, Freeza told him that, Whis told him that Vegeta told him that, another example is him against majin Vegeta, both of them were worn down but a surprise 1hit from Vegeta the guy gets knocked out.

How was he exhausted if Frieza's strongest punch in the face didn't bring any damage to him?

[mAcChaos]

Because they think Freeza is going to get one-shotted by half the cast so nobody thinks it's serious enough to actually bring out everybody to fight.

Then there was no reason for Krillin to go fight at all, if he thought that Freeza would be so easily defeated.

There's still something to be said for showing support though.

Like how at work you wouldn't want to be the only guy skipping a meeting even if it wasn't mandatory.

[rereboy]

After introducing him as a police officer with a strong sense of justice, letting him just stay home in front of the world's crisis would have been a very weird choice. Also, as I stated, they obviously gathered the characters from the early arcs and made Krillin bald again to remind us the Freeza arc. In addition, focusing more on someone already connected with Freeza is a pretty natural choise story-wise.

Making everything logical plot-wise is not necessarily a good way to write a fun story. If rationality is everything, you should argue it's not logical that Freeza doesn't destroy the earth with a single shot from outer space before being noticed. Some degree of illogicalness is necessary for entertainment.

I wonder why this kind of people expect logic in every bit of fiction. Have you every been perfectly logical? Why shouldn't fictinal characters make any mistake?

Freeza destroying the Earth from space has already been addressed by Cold when he and Mecha Freeza reached Earth. Freeza said that that wouldn't be satisfying. Freeza has a sense of pride in his personality and him wanting to actually beat Goku, not just kill him, fits him.

As for Krillin, I don't have a problem with Krillin going. I also think that him going fits him so he should go.

What I have a problem with is him going and #18 not going, with Krillin even telling her to stay safe. It would have been far more satisfying to see them both go, or, if we must have #18 stay, seeing Krillin insisting that #18 should come since she can be much more useful than Krillin and she refusing, saying "nah, I'm not the hero type, I have no interest in fighting that guy or his goons. Gohan and the others can handle it, so there's no danger. Go if you must but it will be a waste of time. Don't be reckless, though, I'll be waiting for you."

At least this dialog would fit #18 much better regarding her personality, imo, while still having Krillin recognize that she would be much more useful than him and try to convince her to go with him instead of telling her to just stay safe, and #18 refusing to go simply because she basically acts out of self-interest, and seeing no real danger, she refuses to waste time going.

But it still would be better to see her go with Krillin even if only out of concern for him, if not interest in fighting.

As for not needing everything to be perfectly logical, you are right in theory, but this isn't even something that they would have much trouble with. Just have #18 and Buu there taking care of some goons, and also have Goten and Trunks in there also taking care of some goons and thinking about fusing into Gotenks before Goku shows up. The added time to the movie to include this would amount to maybe a minute or two longer for some lines and some quick scenes of goons being beat up.

What actually bothers people is the lack of care in setting it up, like somehow any justification will suffice. It's not the actual importance of the option for the movie that bothers people. For example, Goten and Trunks would hardly matter if they were there, but the lack of care in telling us why they aren't there by having Gohan tells us that he simply didn't inform them of the battle because they might be rash is laughable and frankly it looks bad.

The fans are already suspending their belief by accepting that superpowered people are throwing lasers and stuff, but some suspension of belief being required is no excuse for very noticeable lame excuses and justifications for certain things.

And characters can make mistakes, but when that mistake is very noticeably there just to make something happen, it's not a mistake that flows naturally form the character and his personality. It feels fake and it feels lame.

[SansrivaaL]

Goku got hits without any preparation
And

Spoiler:

...

Goku? also Cell just got out of his new form and he looks good as new, Goku on the other hand was exhausted after the fight and just let his guard down. Is it so hard to understand that the guy let his guard down? that it was even foreshadowed at the beginning when they were training? Whis told him that, Freeza told him that, Whis told him that Vegeta told him that, another example is him against majin Vegeta, both of them were worn down but a surprise 1hit from Vegeta the guy gets knocked out.

How was he exhausted if Freeza's strongest punch in the face didn't bring any damage to him?

Wasnt that the part where Frieza was already losing his power/stamina? + I was saying that compared to cell that just got a boost and was in perfect shape unlike Goku that has already fought with Frieza prior to him being shot through his chest unless Frieza never had a moment hurting Goku?

[Noah]

It's right after he arrives to fight Super Buu - Piccolo comments on it.

But you said that was "when Uub arrives" so Gohan was in his "Ultimate" state in EoZ?

[Zephyr]

It's right after he arrives to fight Super Buu - Piccolo comments on it.

But you said that was "when Uub arrives" so Gohan was in his "Ultimate" state in EoZ?

He's probably referring to Gohan's eyes. Because that is of course the most important detail of all.

[Mystic Tien]

Personal changes I’d make to the movie, based on the synopsis:

Spoiler:

- Increase the number of soldiers. Seriously, since when is 1k a threat? Bump it up to 10k or 100k and then maybe the Z fighters are forced to actually have a little trouble.

- So you want me to believe that various Ki locating specialists, who sensed Goku and Boo fighting in a different dimension, can’t sense when two huge powerlevels approach Earth? Not even the GOD of Earth who’s supposed to oversee things and be alert to these kinds of things? No! Add some kind of cloaking device to Sorbet’s ship, that hides their Ki while they’re on Earth. It’s much more believable that they’d find the DBs that way.

- Increase Freeza’s training time. This is obvious; I can accept the whole excuse that he’s a prodigy and whatnot, but at least make his training longer, like a year at least. Also show it. Even if it’s something generic like gravity training, at least show us the kind of training Freeza will put himself through in order to get revenge.

- Explain Golden Freeza. I mean, what the hell? We don’t know anything about it, what is it? How did Freeza know how to achieve it? Is it the reason why first form and final form Freeza are so strong, did he manage to use part of its power in those forms like SSJG? Does every race have a transformation that they can access or are the Saiyans and Freeza just special?

- Nitpick, but I think that Freeza asking the Z-fighters for Future Trunks would have been a cool interaction, he speaks about getting revenge on both Saiyans but then is obsessed with Goku the rest of the film.

- Cast of characters chosen are fine. I can understand 18 not fighting. Trunks and Goten would make for some good interactions between them and Freeza, but I don’t mind it much that they were left out. Mr. Boo, however, is a must. Freeza mentions him, it would provide us with great interactions between the two and we haven’t seen Mr. Boo fight in a loooong time.

- I can understand why they left Boo and Gotenks out and why they nerfed Gohan, they would get rid of the army too easily, I get that. But if you think they’re too powerful, don’t nerf them, make the opponents more powerful instead. Increase the number of soldiers like I said; this movie was a perfect opportunity to introduce a few new interesting characters like the Ginyu Force but we only get Tagoma, who gets killed very early on, and Sorbet. Add like 4 new guys, the new Ginyu Force or something. Have them be new recruits from different dimensions or something, or they trained along with Freeza to increase their power. One at SSJ2 level would be fine for Mr. Boo, one at Perfect Cell level for Piccolo and the other two at like 50% Freeza level for Kuririn and Tenshinhan.

- Do not disrespect Gohan, don’t forget about his ultimate power-up. While everyone else deals with fodder soldiers and the new Ginyu Force, let ultimate Gohan stomp first form Freeza for a while, and then proceed to get stomped (or an even fight, either or) by final form Freeza when he transforms. Then Gohan doesn’t have a good moment at the cost of Piccolo’s dignity like in this movie, and he doesn’t immediately get one shot. He also keeps his title of strongest non-fused and non-deity Z fighter; the whole scene of Freeza almost killing Gohan can be kept.

- Why were they sparring their opponents? Only Goku has been worried with that in the past, and he has let go of that habit, then why is everyone doing it now? Is it just to say they’re holding back and that’s why they have a bit of trouble? Is it just to make Freeza look badass by killing his own men? I can appreciate the second option, but it’s really out of character for people like Piccolo to spare his opponents when he has never done that before. Let them kill them, geez.

- More info on SSJG. It’s such a cheap transformation that they can abuse so easily. If they sensed Freeza’s ki, why didn’t Gohan and the others ask to do the ritual? Just to be sure they’re ready if Freeza - no, if any threat ever comes to Earth again. There’s no drawback to SSJG, if they fail to absorb the Godly Ki, just re-do the ritual until they get it right. Add some restrictions to it, damn. Make it so that beings with Godly Ki can’t participate in the ritual, and since there’s only Trunks, Goten, Gohan, Pan, Bra and Vegeta left, they could only do the ritual to one more person (Vegeta ofc). This also allows for a further ritual if F. Trunks ever comes back or Tarble returns to Earth.

- Better explanation on the Blue SSJG. It’s “Super Saiyan fused with Super Saiyan God” but we already saw Goku turning SSJ in BoG. Is it like a mastered form? How did they achieve it? Does it have a time limit? If they can turn Blue Super Saiyan God now, does it mean they can turn into the normal SSJG at will too?

- Why the hell does Freeza believe Vegeta still has some loyalty left? I understand if he asks it one time and lets it go when Vegeta says no, but he kept insisting throughout their fight. It seems like forced lines just so that Vegeta can admit he likes Goku or whatever.

- I like that Golden Freeza has a drawback, but don’t make the fights so one-sided. Freeza was literally a punching bag the entire fight. Make G. Freeza vs Goku an even fight until Goku gets distracted and let G. Freeza hit Vegeta with a few good hits, even if the latter has the advantage.

- What the hell was Sorbet’s ring all about? It seemed like it had so much potential from the trailer and in the film it only serves to shoot one beam, what?! And it comes out of nowhere as well, with no mention prior of it in the film (not in the summary at least). Why does he need a ring, does it hold some type of special power? Can he not use Ki? The ring could have been a great tool, it has been a long time since someone in DB has used items. In my opinion, the ring should have some type of ability like absorbing Ki in a specific area (the entire battlefield, just exclude Freeza as I’m sure he won’t like it). Something like 2% every 5 minutes or something.

- And with the above in mind, now it would make sense for Sorbet to actually manage to hurt Goku. There have been cases of weaker characters hurting stronger characters in the past, but this is like Mr. Satan hurting SSJ Vegetto, it doesn’t make any sense. If Sorbet’s ring had some kind of Ki absorbing ability and then could convert it into beams, then it’d make sense for him to hurt Goku, as he’d actually have part of Mr. Boo’s and Gohan’s Ki incorporated into it. Not enough to actually hurt Goku when he’s with his guard up, but when he’s distracted it works. Either that, or make G. Freeza pull a Piccolo Jr. and shoot a death beam through Goku’s chest when he though Freeza was dead.

- Change the ending completely. Get rid of that stupid plot device that made Freeza a joke. Have Freeza die not in a way that completely humiliates his character. Let him suicide by blowing up Earth and killing everyone. Let Whis save those that were on the battlefield (Jaco, Bulma, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Roshi, Boo, Gohan, Piccolo). Vegeta, Goku and Beerus don’t need saving because they’re strong enough to survive Freeza’s blast and since they’re actually Gods now, it’s about time Goku and Vegeta got over their weakness of not being able to survive in space. If there’s a good excuse as to why now they can when they couldn’t before it’s definitely Godly Ki. Have Goku lament for his inability to save everyone and say it’s all his fault; have him also ask Whis to turn back time and then have Whis refuse because Goku needs to take responsibility for his mistakes, which will make his character a very harsh teacher when he needs to be. Either go to Namek and make a wish or, like I said before, come up with an excuse as to why the Namek balls don’t work and have Whis offer Goku and Vegeta a way to go to another universe to use their Dragon Balls. This way, there's a cliffhanger for the next movie, this ending allows closure for Vegeta (it’s only debatable because Trunks died in the blast, but he will obviously resurrect him the future) while simultaneously giving him his moment to shine, Goku also gets a time to shine for a while, Freeza’s resurrection isn’t pointless, he doesn’t get completely humiliated and his death accomplished something.

Not trying to sound pretentious by saying I could write a better movie than Toriyama, of course not that's never my intention. However, these are some changes that I would personally make to the film, while keeping the same premise, if I was in charge of the script. Everything I didn’t change from the synopsis, either I like or don’t mind.

Congratulations, Doctor.

If things went that way that would be surely a movie that I would have the pleasure of watching.

Toriyama sin consisting in wanting to be real simple and not give us the important details about the plot, unfortunately.

Thanks, I just thought the premise of this film really had a lot of potential but they ultimately did close to nothing with it; so, I made my own version of how I'd like things to pan out.

Your version is the one which I want to see. No joke.

[MagicBox]

What I have a problem with is him going and #18 not going, with Krillin even telling her to stay safe. It would have been far more satisfying to see them both go, or, if we must have #18 stay, seeing Krillin insisting that #18 should come since she can be much more useful than Krillin and she refusing, saying "nah, I'm not the hero type, I have no interest in fighting that guy or his goons. Gohan and the others can handle it, so there's no danger. Go if you must but it will be a waste of time. Don't be reckless, though, I'll be waiting for you."

But they do acknowledge that No. 18 would be more useful than Kuririn. I see nothing wrong with Kuririn not wanting her to have to get involved. If there's an unarmed burglar in my house, and my wife happens to be stronger than me, I'm not just going to say "Well, it's probably not much of a threat, and you're stronger, so go take care of it. See ya." I'm still not going to want her to have to get involved. I would have liked to see No. 18 fight as well, but I can understand, in-universe, why their conversation went the way it did.

It's the same logic behind the complaints for why Goten and Trunks weren't invited to the fight. Yeah, they're stronger than some of the other characters, but not every decision is going to be based on power levels. They're still children and the adults don't want to have to send them in if they don't have to. They replied on Goten and Trunks in the Buu arc because they had no other choice. Here, they honestly believed they had a choice.

[Zephyr]

It's the same logic behind the complaints for why Goten and Trunks weren't invited to the fight. Yeah, they're stronger than some of the other characters, but not every decision is going to be based on power levels. They're still children and the adults don't want to have to send them in if they don't have to. They replied on Goten and Trunks in the Buu arc because they had no other choice. Here, they honestly believed they had a choice.

To add to this, they don't seem to be thought to be needed until it is too late to go and just grab them. Or at least that's what I thought when I read the synopsis.

[Mystic Tien]

Because they think Freeza is going to get one-shotted by half the cast so nobody thinks it's serious enough to actually bring out everybody to fight.

Then there was no reason for Krillin to go fight at all, if he thought that Freeza would be so easily defeated.

There's still something to be said for showing support though.

Like how at work you wouldn't want to be the only guy skipping a meeting even if it wasn't mandatory.

Well, for some reasons, Tien decided that it would be okay for both Yamcha and Chiaotzu to not be at the battleground. So I don't see how Krillin being in a battleground is a necessity.

[soulnova]

Personal changes I’d make to the movie, based on the synopsis:

Spoiler:

- Increase the number of soldiers. Seriously, since when is 1k a threat? Bump it up to 10k or 100k and then maybe the Z fighters are forced to actually have a little trouble.

- So you want me to believe that various Ki locating specialists, who sensed Goku and Boo fighting in a different dimension, can’t sense when two huge powerlevels approach Earth? Not even the GOD of Earth who’s supposed to oversee things and be alert to these kinds of things? No! Add some kind of cloaking device to Sorbet’s ship, that hides their Ki while they’re on Earth. It’s much more believable that they’d find the DBs that way.

- Increase Freeza’s training time. This is obvious; I can accept the whole excuse that he’s a prodigy and whatnot, but at least make his training longer, like a year at least. Also show it. Even if it’s something generic like gravity training, at least show us the kind of training Freeza will put himself through in order to get revenge.

- Explain Golden Freeza. I mean, what the hell? We don’t know anything about it, what is it? How did Freeza know how to achieve it? Is it the reason why first form and final form Freeza are so strong, did he manage to use part of its power in those forms like SSJG? Does every race have a transformation that they can access or are the Saiyans and Freeza just special?

- Nitpick, but I think that Freeza asking the Z-fighters for Future Trunks would have been a cool interaction, he speaks about getting revenge on both Saiyans but then is obsessed with Goku the rest of the film.

- Cast of characters chosen are fine. I can understand 18 not fighting. Trunks and Goten would make for some good interactions between them and Freeza, but I don’t mind it much that they were left out. Mr. Boo, however, is a must. Freeza mentions him, it would provide us with great interactions between the two and we haven’t seen Mr. Boo fight in a loooong time.

- I can understand why they left Boo and Gotenks out and why they nerfed Gohan, they would get rid of the army too easily, I get that. But if you think they’re too powerful, don’t nerf them, make the opponents more powerful instead. Increase the number of soldiers like I said; this movie was a perfect opportunity to introduce a few new interesting characters like the Ginyu Force but we only get Tagoma, who gets killed very early on, and Sorbet. Add like 4 new guys, the new Ginyu Force or something. Have them be new recruits from different dimensions or something, or they trained along with Freeza to increase their power. One at SSJ2 level would be fine for Mr. Boo, one at Perfect Cell level for Piccolo and the other two at like 50% Freeza level for Kuririn and Tenshinhan.

- Do not disrespect Gohan, don’t forget about his ultimate power-up. While everyone else deals with fodder soldiers and the new Ginyu Force, let ultimate Gohan stomp first form Freeza for a while, and then proceed to get stomped (or an even fight, either or) by final form Freeza when he transforms. Then Gohan doesn’t have a good moment at the cost of Piccolo’s dignity like in this movie, and he doesn’t immediately get one shot. He also keeps his title of strongest non-fused and non-deity Z fighter; the whole scene of Freeza almost killing Gohan can be kept.

- Why were they sparring their opponents? Only Goku has been worried with that in the past, and he has let go of that habit, then why is everyone doing it now? Is it just to say they’re holding back and that’s why they have a bit of trouble? Is it just to make Freeza look badass by killing his own men? I can appreciate the second option, but it’s really out of character for people like Piccolo to spare his opponents when he has never done that before. Let them kill them, geez.

- More info on SSJG. It’s such a cheap transformation that they can abuse so easily. If they sensed Freeza’s ki, why didn’t Gohan and the others ask to do the ritual? Just to be sure they’re ready if Freeza - no, if any threat ever comes to Earth again. There’s no drawback to SSJG, if they fail to absorb the Godly Ki, just re-do the ritual until they get it right. Add some restrictions to it, damn. Make it so that beings with Godly Ki can’t participate in the ritual, and since there’s only Trunks, Goten, Gohan, Pan, Bra and Vegeta left, they could only do the ritual to one more person (Vegeta ofc). This also allows for a further ritual if F. Trunks ever comes back or Tarble returns to Earth.

- Better explanation on the Blue SSJG. It’s “Super Saiyan fused with Super Saiyan God” but we already saw Goku turning SSJ in BoG. Is it like a mastered form? How did they achieve it? Does it have a time limit? If they can turn Blue Super Saiyan God now, does it mean they can turn into the normal SSJG at will too?

- Why the hell does Freeza believe Vegeta still has some loyalty left? I understand if he asks it one time and lets it go when Vegeta says no, but he kept insisting throughout their fight. It seems like forced lines just so that Vegeta can admit he likes Goku or whatever.

- I like that Golden Freeza has a drawback, but don’t make the fights so one-sided. Freeza was literally a punching bag the entire fight. Make G. Freeza vs Goku an even fight until Goku gets distracted and let G. Freeza hit Vegeta with a few good hits, even if the latter has the advantage.

- What the hell was Sorbet’s ring all about? It seemed like it had so much potential from the trailer and in the film it only serves to shoot one beam, what?! And it comes out of nowhere as well, with no mention prior of it in the film (not in the summary at least). Why does he need a ring, does it hold some type of special power? Can he not use Ki? The ring could have been a great tool, it has been a long time since someone in DB has used items. In my opinion, the ring should have some type of ability like absorbing Ki in a specific area (the entire battlefield, just exclude Freeza as I’m sure he won’t like it). Something like 2% every 5 minutes or something.

- And with the above in mind, now it would make sense for Sorbet to actually manage to hurt Goku. There have been cases of weaker characters hurting stronger characters in the past, but this is like Mr. Satan hurting SSJ Vegetto, it doesn’t make any sense. If Sorbet’s ring had some kind of Ki absorbing ability and then could convert it into beams, then it’d make sense for him to hurt Goku, as he’d actually have part of Mr. Boo’s and Gohan’s Ki incorporated into it. Not enough to actually hurt Goku when he’s with his guard up, but when he’s distracted it works. Either that, or make G. Freeza pull a Piccolo Jr. and shoot a death beam through Goku’s chest when he though Freeza was dead.

- Change the ending completely. Get rid of that stupid plot device that made Freeza a joke. Have Freeza die not in a way that completely humiliates his character. Let him suicide by blowing up Earth and killing everyone. Let Whis save those that were on the battlefield (Jaco, Bulma, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Roshi, Boo, Gohan, Piccolo). Vegeta, Goku and Beerus don’t need saving because they’re strong enough to survive Freeza’s blast and since they’re actually Gods now, it’s about time Goku and Vegeta got over their weakness of not being able to survive in space. If there’s a good excuse as to why now they can when they couldn’t before it’s definitely Godly Ki. Have Goku lament for his inability to save everyone and say it’s all his fault; have him also ask Whis to turn back time and then have Whis refuse because Goku needs to take responsibility for his mistakes, which will make his character a very harsh teacher when he needs to be. Either go to Namek and make a wish or, like I said before, come up with an excuse as to why the Namek balls don’t work and have Whis offer Goku and Vegeta a way to go to another universe to use their Dragon Balls. This way, there's a cliffhanger for the next movie, this ending allows closure for Vegeta (it’s only debatable because Trunks died in the blast, but he will obviously resurrect him the future) while simultaneously giving him his moment to shine, Goku also gets a time to shine for a while, Freeza’s resurrection isn’t pointless, he doesn’t get completely humiliated and his death accomplished something.

Not trying to sound pretentious by saying I could write a better movie than Toriyama, of course not that's never my intention. However, these are some changes that I would personally make to the film, while keeping the same premise, if I was in charge of the script. Everything I didn’t change from the synopsis, either I like or don’t mind.

That's a wonderful fix, I must say. Specially the ending. Kudos.

[Mystic Tien]

Wasnt that the part where Freeza was already losing his power/stamina? + I was saying that compared to cell that just got a boost and was in perfect shape unlike Goku that has already fought with Freeza prior to him being shot through his chest unless Freeza never had a moment hurting Goku?

It may very well have been, yet Frieza's punch did nothing to Goku, and after it Goku defeated Frieza by a single Kamehameha. I just don't see him being very exhausted.

I agree that he wasn't in a perfect state, like Cell was, but he wasn't significantly weakened either, because if he was, he would have at least have some slight problems with Frieza, and wouldn't have one-shotted him.

[kei17]

Personal changes I’d make to the movie, based on the synopsis:

Spoiler:

- Increase the number of soldiers. Seriously, since when is 1k a threat? Bump it up to 10k or 100k and then maybe the Z fighters are forced to actually have a little trouble.

- So you want me to believe that various Ki locating specialists, who sensed Goku and Boo fighting in a different dimension, can’t sense when two huge powerlevels approach Earth? Not even the GOD of Earth who’s supposed to oversee things and be alert to these kinds of things? No! Add some kind of cloaking device to Sorbet’s ship, that hides their Ki while they’re on Earth. It’s much more believable that they’d find the DBs that way.

- Increase Freeza’s training time. This is obvious; I can accept the whole excuse that he’s a prodigy and whatnot, but at least make his training longer, like a year at least. Also show it. Even if it’s something generic like gravity training, at least show us the kind of training Freeza will put himself through in order to get revenge.

- Explain Golden Freeza. I mean, what the hell? We don’t know anything about it, what is it? How did Freeza know how to achieve it? Is it the reason why first form and final form Freeza are so strong, did he manage to use part of its power in those forms like SSJG? Does every race have a transformation that they can access or are the Saiyans and Freeza just special?

- Nitpick, but I think that Freeza asking the Z-fighters for Future Trunks would have been a cool interaction, he speaks about getting revenge on both Saiyans but then is obsessed with Goku the rest of the film.

- Cast of characters chosen are fine. I can understand 18 not fighting. Trunks and Goten would make for some good interactions between them and Freeza, but I don’t mind it much that they were left out. Mr. Boo, however, is a must. Freeza mentions him, it would provide us with great interactions between the two and we haven’t seen Mr. Boo fight in a loooong time.

- I can understand why they left Boo and Gotenks out and why they nerfed Gohan, they would get rid of the army too easily, I get that. But if you think they’re too powerful, don’t nerf them, make the opponents more powerful instead. Increase the number of soldiers like I said; this movie was a perfect opportunity to introduce a few new interesting characters like the Ginyu Force but we only get Tagoma, who gets killed very early on, and Sorbet. Add like 4 new guys, the new Ginyu Force or something. Have them be new recruits from different dimensions or something, or they trained along with Freeza to increase their power. One at SSJ2 level would be fine for Mr. Boo, one at Perfect Cell level for Piccolo and the other two at like 50% Freeza level for Kuririn and Tenshinhan.

- Do not disrespect Gohan, don’t forget about his ultimate power-up. While everyone else deals with fodder soldiers and the new Ginyu Force, let ultimate Gohan stomp first form Freeza for a while, and then proceed to get stomped (or an even fight, either or) by final form Freeza when he transforms. Then Gohan doesn’t have a good moment at the cost of Piccolo’s dignity like in this movie, and he doesn’t immediately get one shot. He also keeps his title of strongest non-fused and non-deity Z fighter; the whole scene of Freeza almost killing Gohan can be kept.

- Why were they sparring their opponents? Only Goku has been worried with that in the past, and he has let go of that habit, then why is everyone doing it now? Is it just to say they’re holding back and that’s why they have a bit of trouble? Is it just to make Freeza look badass by killing his own men? I can appreciate the second option, but it’s really out of character for people like Piccolo to spare his opponents when he has never done that before. Let them kill them, geez.

- More info on SSJG. It’s such a cheap transformation that they can abuse so easily. If they sensed Freeza’s ki, why didn’t Gohan and the others ask to do the ritual? Just to be sure they’re ready if Freeza - no, if any threat ever comes to Earth again. There’s no drawback to SSJG, if they fail to absorb the Godly Ki, just re-do the ritual until they get it right. Add some restrictions to it, damn. Make it so that beings with Godly Ki can’t participate in the ritual, and since there’s only Trunks, Goten, Gohan, Pan, Bra and Vegeta left, they could only do the ritual to one more person (Vegeta ofc). This also allows for a further ritual if F. Trunks ever comes back or Tarble returns to Earth.

- Better explanation on the Blue SSJG. It’s “Super Saiyan fused with Super Saiyan God” but we already saw Goku turning SSJ in BoG. Is it like a mastered form? How did they achieve it? Does it have a time limit? If they can turn Blue Super Saiyan God now, does it mean they can turn into the normal SSJG at will too?

- Why the hell does Freeza believe Vegeta still has some loyalty left? I understand if he asks it one time and lets it go when Vegeta says no, but he kept insisting throughout their fight. It seems like forced lines just so that Vegeta can admit he likes Goku or whatever.

- I like that Golden Freeza has a drawback, but don’t make the fights so one-sided. Freeza was literally a punching bag the entire fight. Make G. Freeza vs Goku an even fight until Goku gets distracted and let G. Freeza hit Vegeta with a few good hits, even if the latter has the advantage.

- What the hell was Sorbet’s ring all about? It seemed like it had so much potential from the trailer and in the film it only serves to shoot one beam, what?! And it comes out of nowhere as well, with no mention prior of it in the film (not in the summary at least). Why does he need a ring, does it hold some type of special power? Can he not use Ki? The ring could have been a great tool, it has been a long time since someone in DB has used items. In my opinion, the ring should have some type of ability like absorbing Ki in a specific area (the entire battlefield, just exclude Freeza as I’m sure he won’t like it). Something like 2% every 5 minutes or something.

- And with the above in mind, now it would make sense for Sorbet to actually manage to hurt Goku. There have been cases of weaker characters hurting stronger characters in the past, but this is like Mr. Satan hurting SSJ Vegetto, it doesn’t make any sense. If Sorbet’s ring had some kind of Ki absorbing ability and then could convert it into beams, then it’d make sense for him to hurt Goku, as he’d actually have part of Mr. Boo’s and Gohan’s Ki incorporated into it. Not enough to actually hurt Goku when he’s with his guard up, but when he’s distracted it works. Either that, or make G. Freeza pull a Piccolo Jr. and shoot a death beam through Goku’s chest when he though Freeza was dead.

- Change the ending completely. Get rid of that stupid plot device that made Freeza a joke. Have Freeza die not in a way that completely humiliates his character. Let him suicide by blowing up Earth and killing everyone. Let Whis save those that were on the battlefield (Jaco, Bulma, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Roshi, Boo, Gohan, Piccolo). Vegeta, Goku and Beerus don’t need saving because they’re strong enough to survive Freeza’s blast and since they’re actually Gods now, it’s about time Goku and Vegeta got over their weakness of not being able to survive in space. If there’s a good excuse as to why now they can when they couldn’t before it’s definitely Godly Ki. Have Goku lament for his inability to save everyone and say it’s all his fault; have him also ask Whis to turn back time and then have Whis refuse because Goku needs to take responsibility for his mistakes, which will make his character a very harsh teacher when he needs to be. Either go to Namek and make a wish or, like I said before, come up with an excuse as to why the Namek balls don’t work and have Whis offer Goku and Vegeta a way to go to another universe to use their Dragon Balls. This way, there's a cliffhanger for the next movie, this ending allows closure for Vegeta (it’s only debatable because Trunks died in the blast, but he will obviously resurrect him the future) while simultaneously giving him his moment to shine, Goku also gets a time to shine for a while, Freeza’s resurrection isn’t pointless, he doesn’t get completely humiliated and his death accomplished something.

Not trying to sound pretentious by saying I could write a better movie than Toriyama

"I spotted a mistake in Picasso's painting, so I must have been able to make something better than Picasso."

Of course not. Because you didn't produce anything from scratch, which is the hardest and most difficult part of creation. I am one trillion percent sure people with that kind of mindset never produce anything remarkable themselves.

[Doctor.]

Obviously not, I'm not a writer nor a mangaka. I'm not the creator of the series, not the scriptwriter of this film. I'm simply a fan of a very talented artist with a creative mind I can't hope to comprehend, who felt disappointed, expressed his concerns and wrote his opinion on what should have and shouldn't have happened. I'm aware that pointing out mistakes in the work of other people is easy. My opinion will in no way alter the original project and I'm okay with that. There are a lot of projects out there of people re-writing GT in their own way, I just did a similar thing with this film.

Maybe I worded that sentence wrong. I meant that my fixes are not supposed to give people the impression that I can write a better movie; just that I think some things should have been different.

[rereboy]

But they do acknowledge that No. 18 would be more useful than Kuririn. I see nothing wrong with Kuririn not wanting her to have to get involved. If there's an unarmed burglar in my house, and my wife happens to be stronger than me, I'm not just going to say "Well, it's probably not much of a threat, and you're stronger, so go take care of it. See ya." I'm still not going to want her to have to get involved. I would have liked to see No. 18 fight as well, but I can understand, in-universe, why their conversation went the way it did.

It's the same logic behind the complaints for why Goten and Trunks weren't invited to the fight. Yeah, they're stronger than some of the other characters, but not every decision is going to be based on power levels. They're still children and the adults don't want to have to send them in if they don't have to. They replied on Goten and Trunks in the Buu arc because they had no other choice. Here, they honestly believed they had a choice.

Your example doesn't make much sense. If your wife was a Navy Seal, master in all kinds of hand to hand combat and you were just a skinny office clerk, you would just be a fool by saying to her to stay safe while you are off facing the burglar, not to mention inherently sexist since apparently, even though its obvious that she is far more qualified to take him down and that taking care of guys is part of her professional training and duties, you assume that that can't be her role, her role is to stay there while her man takes care of business.

That's not logic, that's preconceptions.

Krillin is an ant compared to #18. He's like a male mouse saying to his female elephant wife that he is off to fight the tiger that is entering the forest and to remain safe. Treating her like she is a slightly stronger female mouse than him doesn't make sense.

As for Goten and Trunks, it even makes less sense. Just not telling what was going on would not prevent them from coming to the fight (and they would want to come) and despite their youth, they would still be more useful than most of the gang there, not to mention that they are now older and more experienced than in the Buu arc.