Do we know how strong Tarble is?

[Dayspring]

Was it ever said anywhere how powerful Tarble is? I know people assume he's a lot stronger than Ginyu on account of how he "gave Abo and Cado troubles," but I always took that to mean he was disrupting their plans, not that he was fighting them to a standstill.

Based on how he was sent away for being weak, this tells me he'd be much, much stronger than Raditz. In fact, given all the special circumstances Goku got growing up, I'd argue he'd only be about as strong as Raditz-saga Goku.

[Lord Beerus]

I'd put Tarble's BP somewhere between 10,000 - 20,000.

[Duo]

I'd put Tarble's BP somewhere between 10,000 - 20,000.

That's agreeable. He's probably talented among the Saiyans of his time, but he definitely doesn't seem like he would have compared to Vegeta when he first arrived on Earth.

As far as Dayspring's actual question goes - I do not believe there is any real information on the issue.

[Dayspring]

I'd put Tarble's BP somewhere between 10,000 - 20,000.

That's agreeable. He's probably talented among the Saiyans of his time, but he definitely doesn't seem like he would have compared to Vegeta when he first arrived on Earth.

As far as Dayspring's actual question goes - I do not believe there is any real information on the issue.

Then where does the idea that he'd be between 10,000 and 20,000 come from? That puts him on par with his father, which seems unlikely since he was weak by low-level Saiyans' standards when he was born.

[Duo]

Was he? I don't recall the 08' special dialogue all that well. I had thought he was considered inferior to what was expected of royalty. Maybe we're looking at something closer to Nappa level? I'm also operating under the assumption that he's never done anything meaningful to increase his natural power in his entire life.

[Dayspring]

Was he? I don't recall the 08' special dialogue all that well. I had thought he was considered inferior to what was expected of royalty. Maybe we're looking at something closer to Nappa level? I'm also operating under the assumption that he's never done anything meaningful to increase his natural power in his entire life.

I forget the specific wording, but Vegeta implies he was incredibly weak. Like, baby Goku levels of weak. Now that we know there are people like Gine among the Saiyans, possibly even as weak as she was. Even saying he'd be close to Nappa seems very, very unlikely since that still puts him among the species' elite warriors.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The problem is, perspectives change. Child Vegeta's notion of weak and Buu Arc Vegeta's notions likely aren't even close to being the same. Back before planet Vegeta blew up, if a Saiyan as near 60,000 without being an Ozaru, he would have been viewed as unimaginably strong (as Jheese noted no one, at least in recent times, had heard of a Saiyan being that strong). But to Vegeta in the Buu Arc, you could be stronger than 100% Freeza and he'd still consider you not worth his time. So even if Vegeta calls him weak in the special, does that mean he HAS to be completely pitiful? Because while I don't think he's super strong (not certain if he surpasses non-Ghurd members of the Ginyu Squad), if he's not even breaking Nappa's numbers, I don't see how Abo and Kado would have trouble with him. They'd be stronger, faster, etc. Even if Tarble is just using guerilla tactics to disrupt their plans and run away, the brothers should be fast enough to catch him before he can even turn to blink, similar to when Gohan and Kaioshin try to escape Buu.

[Sandubadear]

Weaker than Raditz, possibly.

[TheGmGoken]

Maybe Tarble had a rage boost when Abo and Cado hit his wife.

*fan theory*

[Dayspring]

The problem is, perspectives change. Child Vegeta's notion of weak and Buu Arc Vegeta's notions likely aren't even close to being the same. Back before planet Vegeta blew up, if a Saiyan as near 60,000 without being an Ozaru, he would have been viewed as unimaginably strong (as Jheese noted no one, at least in recent times, had heard of a Saiyan being that strong). But to Vegeta in the Buu Arc, you could be stronger than 100% Freeza and he'd still consider you not worth his time. So even if Vegeta calls him weak in the special, does that mean he HAS to be completely pitiful? Because while I don't think he's super strong (not certain if he surpasses non-Ghurd members of the Ginyu Squad), if he's not even breaking Nappa's numbers, I don't see how Abo and Kado would have trouble with him. They'd be stronger, faster, etc. Even if Tarble is just using guerilla tactics to disrupt their plans and run away, the brothers should be fast enough to catch him before he can even turn to blink, similar to when Gohan and Kaioshin try to escape Buu.

True, but even if he were as strong as the non-Guldo Ginyu members, that would still be the case. The impression I got was that he was avoiding them because they were on a different planet. By the time they found him, he made a beeline to Earth.

Also, it's not just Jeice who said that 60,000 BP is beyond what Saiyans get. The narrator confirmed Goku had surpassed what Saiyans can achieve while he was still training (edit: meaning, while en route to Namek).

[TheDevilsCorpse]

The further the gap though, the less believable him surviving any sort of actual encounter with them would be. If he gets at least close to Ginyu levels, then you start to breach into Gohan, Kuririn and Vegeta fighting Freeza territory. Unlikely, but not entirely impossible if he's smarter than his opponents.

BTW, I was talking about this line:

Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P11.1-3
Ginyu: "In my estimation, his ability looks like it's about 60,000."
Jheese: "Six... 60,000!? H-he's a Saiyan!! Whoever heard of a Saiyan at 60,000...?!!"
Ginyu: “It’s not impossible. He could be like us, a super-gifted warrior, born with a mutation…Looks like this will be an unprecedentedly entertaining battle…I never thought the time would come for me to show my true power.”

[Dayspring]

The further the gap though, the less believable him surviving any sort of actual encounter with them would be. If he gets at least close to Ginyu levels, then you start to breach into Gohan, Kuririn and Vegeta fighting Freeza territory. Unlikely, but not entirely impossible if he's smarter than his opponents.

Both Vegeta and Gohan vastly surpassed the Ginyu squad at this point, though.

Also I meant more this how I saw the "fight" between Abo and Cado with Tarble:

Abo and Cado: "What keeps happening every time we send a low-level goon to conquer the Tek-Tek homeworld?"
Tarble: "I've been killing them! It's under my protection now! And don't think of sending any elite warriors - I'm a Saiyan! Saiyans are so strong they killed Freeza!"
Abo and Cado: "Oh, wow, that IS a strong species to be defending the Tek-Teks. Ok, we'll personally come and conquer it then."
Tarble: "WHAT?! OH SHIT, OH SHIT, OH SHIT. I know! I'll get my brother Vegeta!"
**Weeks of space travel**
Abo and Cado: "Where's Tarble?"
Random Tek-Tek: "He went to Namek to find out where his brother lives."
Abo and Cado: "Seriously? UGH! Fine, we'll go kill him over there."
**Months of space travel**
Abo and Cado: "Where's Tarble?"
Random Namek: "He went to Earth to find his brother."
Abo and Cado: "Oh, come ON! Really? This Tarble guy is causing us a lot of problems."
**Weeks of space travel**
Abo and Cado: "You've been causing us a lot of problems, Tarble."

BTW, I was talking about this line:

Chapter: 283 (DBZ 89), P11.1-3
Ginyu: "In my estimation, his ability looks like it's about 60,000."
Jheese: "Six... 60,000!? H-he's a Saiyan!! Whoever heard of a Saiyan at 60,000...?!!"
Ginyu: “It’s not impossible. He could be like us, a super-gifted warrior, born with a mutation…Looks like this will be an unprecedentedly entertaining battle…I never thought the time would come for me to show my true power.”

No, I know. I was just saying the narrator backs up what this said while Goku is still en route to Namek.

[RancorSnp]

Tarble is most likely between 800 - 5.000
If he was so weak, that King Vegeta expelled him, so the Royal family does not look bad in front of other Saiyans, it means either :

a) He is weaker than Nappa, and Royal family can't afford to have someone weaker than any other Saiyan. Tarble would be 3000 - 5000 in this case (Less likely). [Remember according to anime Nappa was Commander in Chief of the Sayan army, so I put him as an exceptional example]

Or b) He is the average low class Saiyan born with power level less than 10. That would put him in range of 800-1100 assuming he trained to the fullest of his potential and of course does not happen to be one of the people who can overcome limits of power his race can achieve. (More likely)

On the other hand if he did not train, it's possible he may be around 10 - 100 (but I doubt that).

[Doctor.]

Doesn't #18 or Kuririn say "there's a powerful Ki" coming? That should be indicative of something, at least.

[Dyno]

Some numbers you are all saying just put Tarble above Bardock... If he belonged at least to the mid-class, I don't think he would be rejected.

[Dayspring]

Doesn't #18 or Kuririn say "there's a powerful Ki" coming? That should be indicative of something, at least.

#18 says that in a very "huh, go figure" sort of way. Krillin does freak out, but he also freaks out over the knowledge that it's a Saiyan. Nobody else but him (meaning, even Kamesennin) seems even remotely worried about the power, so much as curious that it would be powerful.

However, keep in mind they're on Earth. Vegeta says Tarble was cast away for not being able to fight, not for being a low-level Saiyan. He also has a wife. All that suggests he's more like Gine and likely nowhere near as powerful as Raditz, let alone one of the strongest Saiyans of all time.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Gohan doesn't like to fight either, and look where he got. Not liking to fight (or not being good at it) and actually being weak are two different things. Just because he doesn't like to fight doesn't mean he doesn't at least try to train or that he hasn't ended up in a scuffle or two and gotten a near death boost out of them. Honestly, it's just hard to peg someone who does nothing within the time we see him.

[Dayspring]

Gohan doesn't like to fight either, and look where he got. Not liking to fight (or not being good at it) and actually being weak are two different things. Just because he doesn't like to fight doesn't mean he doesn't at least try to train or that he hasn't ended up in a scuffle or two and gotten a near death boost out of them. Honestly, it's just hard to peg someone who does nothing within the time we see him.

True, but Tarble doesn't suggest he got any stronger, so it doesn't make sense to assume he's the first or second-strongest Saiyan of them all after the SSJs. He also doesn't trigger people's ki detecting abilities until he's literally on their doorstep. That would suggest he's weaker than Raditz.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Tarble isn't much more than a plot device to get the bad guys to Earth. Even if he did get stronger, there's not much reason to mention it because he's barely relevant to his own special. Though I'm not saying Tarble HAS to be stronger than every other Saiyan before Vegeta was destroyed anyway, but that also doesn't mean that he's weaker than Raditz. His power can be pretty much anything less than 530,000.

Using ki sensing feats doesn't really mean anything either, at least not to me. It's a very inconsistent plot element and is just utilized however it's convenient to the writer. Kuririn is often shown to be one of the first people to notice things, including the insight into things like Trunks hiding Super Saiyan grade III. But in Resurrection F, Freeza is revived and powers up to the level of the gods. SS3 Goku could already be sensed in the Kaioshin Realm without even looking for the ki signature, but yet no one, including Kuririn, could tell that Freeza was out in the universe and had gotten way, WAY stronger than the same characters who could be sensed in the Kaioshin Realm until the alien arrived on Earth.