Goku and Vegeta beat Freeza's ass in this movieLord Frieza wrote:I love how people are saying Freeza is a joke in this film yet he takes down both Vegeta and Goku.
This movie's whole theme is that you should never underestimate you foe.
No, it really wouldn't. Especially since Yamcha had bowed out long ago. Krillin's never treated 18 as if she were just some piece of property. Not once. You're making a lot of assumptions based on a three sentence paragraph of a summary with only one verbatim line of dialogue contained within.rereboy wrote:Actually, Krillin being a traditionalist in this regard would actually serve as a justification for what is apparently presented. I don't really like it, but it serves. If he's not, then we are back at not making much sense.ShadowWolf87 wrote: You outright implied he would have asked if she were a man. You're accusing a character of being overtly sexist without basis. It'd be hilarious if it weren't so sad.
And wouldn't he treat her differently if she was one of the guys?
If Tenshinhan was there, wouldn't he say "hey, Tenshinhan, aren't you coming to the fight?".
If Yamcha was there, wouldn't he say "how about you, are you coming to the fight?".
#18 would be far more useful than both of them, but apparently he doesn't make the same question to her. Why? Krillin cares about Tenshinhan and Yamcha, so, obviously, its not because he cares about #18 and doesn't care about Tenshinhan or Yamcha.
(Also, yeah, "hilarious if not sad", great passive aggressive insult, it was really impressive and all that and so on).
Sorbet shots Goku through the chest when he's off guard but he dosent kill, Goku, its Frieza who beats him into the ground afterwards. So still count as a win Freeza and in a life and death battle anything goes.RandomGuy96 wrote:No he doesn't. The true villain of the film, Sorbet, takes down Goku.Lord Freeza wrote:I love how people are saying Freeza is a joke in this film yet he takes down both Vegeta and Goku.
This movie's whole theme is that you should never underestimate you foe.
I'm still not sure how Sorbet knocking out Goku is supposed to work. Goku is supposed to be a God by this point, I don't see how someone like Sorbet would be able to take him out, unless his strength is at least on par with Buu or something.ArchedThunder wrote:He's a joke because he can't land a hit, also he doesn't take them out. Sorbet takes out Goku with a cheap shot and Freeza "takes out" Vegeta by blowing up the planet really quick in a suicidal way because he isn't a match for him.Lord Freeza wrote:I love how people are saying Freeza is a joke in this film yet he takes down both Vegeta and Goku.
This movie's whole theme is that you should never underestimate you foe.
According to the synopsis he fires the blast from his ring. I guess it's a combination of the ring being special and Goku being caught off guard because he thought there was no real danger.WittyUsername wrote:I'm still not sure how Sorbet knocking out Goku is supposed to work. Goku is supposed to be a God by this point, I don't see how someone like Sorbet would be able to take him out, unless his strength is at least on par with Buu or something.ArchedThunder wrote:He's a joke because he can't land a hit, also he doesn't take them out. Sorbet takes out Goku with a cheap shot and Freeza "takes out" Vegeta by blowing up the planet really quick in a suicidal way because he isn't a match for him.Lord Freeza wrote:I love how people are saying Freeza is a joke in this film yet he takes down both Vegeta and Goku.
This movie's whole theme is that you should never underestimate you foe.
That's like saying a kid that jumps into a boxing ring to kick a knocked out boxer in the head beat him in a fight.Lord Frieza wrote:Sorbet shots Goku through the chest when he's off guard but he dosent kill, Goku, its Freeza who beats him into the ground afterwards. So still count as a win Freeza and in a life and death battle anything goes.RandomGuy96 wrote:No he doesn't. The true villain of the film, Sorbet, takes down Goku.Lord Freeza wrote:I love how people are saying Freeza is a joke in this film yet he takes down both Vegeta and Goku.
This movie's whole theme is that you should never underestimate you foe.
Just ignore them man. All these arguments are doing is clogging up the thread. It's the same 3-5 people and all they enjoy doing is baiting Vegeta fans because they can't handle the fact that some fans got overenthusiastic over his potential role. Their maturity clearly isn't at a point one would expect it to be, so just ignore them. They'll go away once they realize you don't give a damn about what they have to say.sintzu wrote:Wasn't Freeza on his hands and knees after fighting Vegeta ? wouldn't that mean he couldn't fight back ? so why isn't that a win for Vegeta ? of course this is after Whis fixed everything.dbzfan7 wrote:Nappa was crippled and literally couldn't fight back.
Last time I checked he landed plenty of hits as Golden Frieza on Goku before he started to tire. At the end of the day this is a life or death fight, so no rules in this fight. Just proves that Frieza is better because in the end he beat two people who were stronger than him. Doesn't matter how he still won.ArchedThunder wrote:He's a joke because he can't land a hit, also he doesn't take them out. Sorbet takes out Goku with a cheap shot and Freeza "takes out" Vegeta by blowing up the planet really quick in a suicidal way because he isn't a match for him.Lord Freeza wrote:I love how people are saying Freeza is a joke in this film yet he takes down both Vegeta and Goku.
This movie's whole theme is that you should never underestimate you foe.
A win is a win. Doesn't matter how in a life or death fight.Saiyan007 wrote:Goku and Vegeta beat Freeza's ass in this movieLord Freeza wrote:I love how people are saying Freeza is a joke in this film yet he takes down both Vegeta and Goku.
This movie's whole theme is that you should never underestimate you foe.
He only "won" because he was butthurt
According to the synopsis he lands one hit on Goku and he is completely unfazed. Freeza didn't win shit.Lord Frieza wrote:Last time I checked he landed plenty of hits as Golden Freeza on Goku befor he started to tire, at the end of the day this is a life or death fight so no rules in this fight. Just proves that Freeza is better because in the end he beat two people who where stronger then him. Dosent matter how he still won.ArchedThunder wrote:He's a joke because he can't land a hit, also he doesn't take them out. Sorbet takes out Goku with a cheap shot and Freeza "takes out" Vegeta by blowing up the planet really quick in a suicidal way because he isn't a match for him.Lord Freeza wrote:I love how people are saying Freeza is a joke in this film yet he takes down both Vegeta and Goku.
This movie's whole theme is that you should never underestimate you foe.
This is like claiming credit for a win by poking a guy while he's having a heart attack, five seconds after he just kicked your ass.Lord Frieza wrote:Sorbet shots Goku through the chest when he's off guard but he dosent kill, Goku, its Freeza who beats him into the ground afterwards. So still count as a win Freeza and in a life and death battle anything goes.RandomGuy96 wrote:No he doesn't. The true villain of the film, Sorbet, takes down Goku.Lord Freeza wrote:I love how people are saying Freeza is a joke in this film yet he takes down both Vegeta and Goku.
This movie's whole theme is that you should never underestimate you foe.
The Monkey King wrote:It was actually Beerus disguised as Zarbon #StayWokeRandomGuy96 wrote:He's probably referring to the Bardock special. Zarbon was the one who first recommended destroying Planet Vegeta because the saiyans were rapidly growing in strength.dbgtFO wrote: Please elaborate as I do not know what you mean by "pushing Vegeta's destruction"
Herms wrote:The fact that the ridiculous power inflation is presented so earnestly makes me just roll my eyes and snicker. Like with Freeza, where he starts off over 10 times stronger than all his henchmen except Ginyu (because...well, just because), then we find out he can transform and get even more powerful, and then he reveals he can transform two more times, before finally coming out with the fact that he hasn't even been using anywhere near 50% of his power. Oh, and he can survive in the vacuum of space. All this stuff is just presented as the way Freeza is, without even an attempt at rationalizing it, yet the tone dictates we're supposed to take all this silly grasping at straws as thrilling danger. So I guess I don't really take the power inflation in the Boo arc seriously, but I don't take the power inflation in earlier arcs seriously either, so there's no net loss of seriousness. I think a silly story presented as serious is harder to accept than a silly story presented as silly.
I guess you missed the point of their posts. They don't hate Vegeta, they are just unpleased by how people treat Vegeta as a victor in a movie, while he lost to a weakened and exhausted Frieza, and failed to protect the Earth.Birusu16 wrote:Just ignore them man. All these arguments are doing is clogging up the thread. It's the same 3-5 people and all they enjoy doing is baiting Vegeta fans because they can't handle the fact that some fans got overenthusiastic over his potential role. Their maturity clearly isn't at a point one would expect it to be, so just ignore them. They'll go away once they realize you don't give a damn about what they have to say.sintzu wrote:Wasn't Freeza on his hands and knees after fighting Vegeta ? wouldn't that mean he couldn't fight back ? so why isn't that a win for Vegeta ? of course this is after Whis fixed everything.dbzfan7 wrote:Nappa was crippled and literally couldn't fight back.
All that counts is that we as Vegeta fans thoroughly enjoy his role in this movie. I don't and no other Vegeta fan should give a damn about what anybody else thinks, let alone the opinions of a bunch of egocentric Vegeta haters.
Marco Polo wrote:He almost got Videl killed in Battle of Gods tho.Hellspawn28 wrote:Cool to see Gohan have a kill for once. He hasn't killed someone since Cell (or Broli if you want to count in General).
Never did I state that he treated her like a piece of property. That's just you exaggerating what I said.ShadowWolf87 wrote: No, it really wouldn't. Especially since Yamcha had bowed out long ago. Krillin's never treated 18 as if she were just some piece of property. Not once. You're making a lot of assumptions based on a three sentence paragraph of a summary with only one verbatim line of dialogue contained within.
Boxing is a sport with rules, this is a fight to stay alive. In the end the one left standing is the winner.ArchedThunder wrote:
That's like saying a kid that jumps into a boxing ring to kick a knocked out boxer in the head beat him in a fight.
A fight is a fight, and Freeza was the only one fighting to stay alive. Goku and Vegeta were on a completely different level above him, Sorbet cheap shotted Goku and Freeza just knocked him around, that isn't a win for Freeza. Vegeta kicked Freeza's ass and then Freeza suicide bombed the planet, that isn't a win for Freeza.Lord Frieza wrote:Boxing is a sport with rules, this is a fight to stay alive. In the end the one left standing is the winner.ArchedThunder wrote:
That's like saying a kid that jumps into a boxing ring to kick a knocked out boxer in the head beat him in a fight.
Well he shouldn't be picking fights if he has a heart problem, should he? And if he was beating the shit out of me then I guess, yes, I do win.RandomGuy96 wrote:This is like claiming credit for a win by poking a guy while he's having a heart attack, five seconds after he just kicked your ass.
Ok, so if a tiger tries to eat you and you got lucky and somehow killed it with a stick you grab, does that mean you didn't kill the tiger, saved your life and won a battle of life and death?ArchedThunder wrote:A fight is a fight, and Freeza was the only one fighting to stay alive. Goku and Vegeta were on a completely different level above him, Sorbet cheap shotted Goku and Freeza just knocked him around, that isn't a win for Freeza. Vegeta kicked Freeza's ass and then Freeza suicide bombed the planet, that isn't a win for Freeza.Lord Freeza wrote:Boxing is a sport with rules, this is a fight to stay alive. In the end the one left standing is the winner.ArchedThunder wrote:That's like saying a kid that jumps into a boxing ring to kick a knocked out boxer in the head beat him in a fight.
The point is Freeza got embarrassed and got his golden ass beat twice and had outside helpLord Frieza wrote:A win is a win. Dosent matter how in a life or death fight.Saiyan007 wrote:Goku and Vegeta beat Freeza's ass in this movieLord Freeza wrote:I love how people are saying Freeza is a joke in this film yet he takes down both Vegeta and Goku.
This movie's whole theme is that you should never underestimate you foe.
He only "won" because he was butthurt
Seems you're one of the only ones who understands. We don't hate Vegeta at all, we just see through bullshit, nor praise when he does something subpar. I can and have given Vegeta props and praise before. I don't praise Goku for his dumb choices, nor Gohan when he fucks up.Mystic Tien wrote:I guess you missed the point of their posts. They don't hate Vegeta, they are just unpleased by how people treat Vegeta as a victor in a movie, while he lost to a weakened and exhausted Freeza, and failed to protect the Earth.Birusu16 wrote:Just ignore them man. All these arguments are doing is clogging up the thread. It's the same 3-5 people and all they enjoy doing is baiting Vegeta fans because they can't handle the fact that some fans got overenthusiastic over his potential role. Their maturity clearly isn't at a point one would expect it to be, so just ignore them. They'll go away once they realize you don't give a damn about what they have to say.
All that counts is that we as Vegeta fans thoroughly enjoy his role in this movie. I don't and no other Vegeta fan should give a damn about what anybody else thinks, let alone the opinions of a bunch of egocentric Vegeta haters.
I'm talking about since Freeza arc. Not only this movie.Mystic Tien wrote:This one we don't know.FortuneSSJ wrote:Nah, I'm glad his trainning didn't made him that OP. Goku and Vegeta have been trainning much harder than him.Gianchio wrote: He should have been more powerful than Whis to become a real threat. He is basically a punching bag for most of the fight.
Toriyama was smart in doing that way.
The point of their posts is to clearly bait Vegeta fans. That much is obvious. They've been doing it since the spoilers came out and it's both sad and pathetic. They can't handle the fact that some people had an opinion different than theirs and had to listen to it on a daily basis. Guess what? Get over it. That's something that happens on a daily basis in the real world. If you can't handle it then don't bother reading those posts. Ignore them and move on. It's as simple as that. People are allowed to think what they want to think and nobody has the right to tell them otherwise.Mystic Tien wrote:I guess you missed the point of their posts. They don't hate Vegeta, they are just unpleased by how people treat Vegeta as a victor in a movie, while he lost to a weakened and exhausted Freeza, and failed to protect the Earth.
Oh yes and I bet Vegeta felt that this was all just training when he was dyeing and Goku felt the same way with a hole in his chest. yep just good old training.Saiyan007 wrote:
The point is Freeza got embarrassed and got his golden ass beat twice and had outside help
He only "won" when he blew up the planet which doesn't even count since Whis reversed time
Freeza is a joke in this movie and nothing more than training for Goku snd Vegeta
It means you got lucky and didn't die, you didn't win a fight. Also Freeza didn't live, he killed himself because he couldn't survive against Vegeta. Oh, and to compare the fight with a tiger attack it'd be more like you are getting mauled by a tiger and someone else shoots the tiger and as it is bleeding to death you kick it, that doesn't mean you beat the tiger in a fight.Lord Frieza wrote: Ok so if a tiger tries to eat you and you got lucky and somehow killed it with a stick you grab dose that mean you didn't kill the tiger, saved your life and won a battle of life and death?
