Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Mystic Tien]

Thank you sir for showing you can be a mature Vegeta fan. One who is a fan of Vegeta, but not a fanboy. We need more posters like you who can tell the difference between being a hater, and making a point. Some of my favourite moments in DBZ are Vegeta moments. Like when he schooled 19. The Final Flash. His sacrifice. Vegeta making the plan to kill Boo. Vegeta saving Goku in prior toei movies. I can name cool moments too and Vegeta knows how to be cool, but I can still see through bullshit.

Thank you for the good words! Vegeta's sacrifice is probably my favorite moment in the whole DB series, and I also appreciated him trying to take down Perfect Cell, as well as him fighting against 19 and even holding his own against Frieza for a time. Vegeta and Goku's interactions from Fusion Reborn as well as Vegeta helping Goku in his fight against Meta Cooler are ones of my favorite moments with Vegeta as well. Yet just because I love a certain character, I am not blinded by it to the point of believing that he accomplished something, that he didn't. And while I will protect Vegeta when he is unfairly criticized, I will also not defend him and his actions, when he fails, especially when he does it deliberately (Vegeta letting 2 form of Cell to transform into Perfect Cell, Vegeta destroying a crowd in Buu arc and letting Majin Buu being released), but I can also greatly appreciate the moments where he indeed tries to fight for his family, like he did in Buu arc, while sacrificing himself for sake of Bulma and Trunks, and later fighting with Kid Buu, when he was trying to defeat Perfect Cell after Future Trunks was killed by him, and when he was fighting against Beerus (even though I greatly NOT appreciate him giving up in this very fight), so I may see both flaws and positives of this character, and I won't defend him when he fails, and won't try to make it look as he wins.

[TheGmGoken]

Wait, shouldn't Beerus and Whis count as characters who never died either?

Beerus once accidentally killed himself but Whis reversed time. Just joking. I wonder if Beerus or Whis will die in a future movie. "My last wish... Whis-Sama...is PUDDING!".

[Vidmusc]

Doesn't it take a lot to kill Boo? It may be easy to knock him out but to straight up kill the pink monster... quite curious on why (if he did) he died? Maybe he didn't finish regenerating.

But everything was gone and everyone that wasn't close to Whis and Beerus died so I doubt he lived

[ArchedThunder]

Wait, shouldn't Beerus and Whis count as characters who never died either?

Beerus once accidentally killed himself but Whis reversed time. Just joking. I wonder if Beerus or Whis will die in a future movie. "My last wish... Whis-Sama...is PUDDING!".

I like them both, but if I had to pick one I'd pick Whis to die. I like him and all, but Beerus is a more fun character and Whis's time travel abilities remove the last bit of tension left in the series after there now being two sets of Dragon Balls at once. I'd also like to see Beerus get stronger when Goku and Vegeta reach and surpass his strength so that those three can be the main characters together. As for Whis staying dead they could just simply say that because he's a God (or what ever he is) he can't be brought back by the Dragon Balls, which they could also use to add more tension with Beerus, Goku and Vegeta since they are all Gods.

[Kamiccolo9]

Thank you sir for showing you can be a mature Vegeta fan. One who is a fan of Vegeta, but not a fanboy. We need more posters like you who can tell the difference between being a hater, and making a point. Some of my favourite moments in DBZ are Vegeta moments. Like when he schooled 19. The Final Flash. His sacrifice. Vegeta making the plan to kill Boo. Vegeta saving Goku in prior toei movies. I can name cool moments too and Vegeta knows how to be cool, but I can still see through bullshit.

Thank you for the good words! Vegeta's sacrifice is probably my favorite moment in the whole DB series, and I also appreciated him trying to take down Perfect Cell, as well as him fighting against 19 and even holding his own against Freeza for a time. Vegeta and Goku's interactions from Fusion Reborn as well as Vegeta helping Goku in his fight against Meta Cooler are ones of my favorite moments with Vegeta as well. Yet just because I love a certain character, I am not blinded by it to the point of believing that he accomplished something, that he didn't. And while I will protect Vegeta when he is unfairly criticized, I will also not defend him and his actions, when he fails, especially when he does it deliberately (Vegeta letting 2 form of Cell to transform into Perfect Cell, Vegeta destroying a crowd in Buu arc and letting Majin Buu being released), but I can also greatly appreciate the moments where he indeed tries to fight for his family, like he did in Buu arc, while sacrificing himself for sake of Bulma and Trunks, and later fighting with Kid Buu, when he was trying to defeat Perfect Cell after Future Trunks was killed by him, and when he was fighting against Beerus (even though I greatly NOT appreciate him giving up in this very fight), so I may see both flaws and positives of this character, and I won't defend him when he fails, and won't try to make it look as he wins.

I've always found Vegeta to be a more interesting character when he loses. Whenever he wins, he becomes a one-note arrogant dick that screws everything up for everybody (see the entire Cell Arc and the early Buu Arc.)

But when he loses, that's when he undergoes development. His craftiness on Namek. His contemplation of and achievement of a new Super Saiyan form after losing to 18. Him finally showing that he cares about Trunks after Cell kills him. Him realizing what it will take to stop(?) Buu. His admission about Goku at the end of the Buu Arc. These are Vegeta's best showings, and they don't occur during his "badass" moments, they occur when he's hit rock bottom and has to actually move forward as a character to pull himself back out.

[VegettoEX]

The Vegeta talk is always interested and engaging, but let's try to keep the discussion here in this thread strictly related to the new movie (or at least Vegeta IN THIS NEW MOVIE ^_~). Thanks.

[Doctor.]

I'm curious to see Freeza's transformation into his true form. I wonder if he'll go directly into it, or if we'll get brief shots of the other two forms as well. I hope they just don't ignore them, but I'll understand the reasoning if they do.

[Mystic Tien]

Wait, shouldn't Beerus and Whis count as characters who never died either?

Them and Oracle Fish, I guess There is also Uranai Baba who may have not been on Earth, as she has an ability to visit Other Word, but unless she indeed was there, she died as well. There are also 3 Kaio, and Bulla seems to take it fine, as according to spoilers, she still wasn't born, because if she was, I guess, it would have been mentioned.

[Sparko33]

But when he loses, that's when he undergoes development. His craftiness on Namek. His contemplation of and achievement of a new Super Saiyan form after losing to 18. Him finally showing that he cares about Trunks after Cell kills him. Him realizing what it will take to stop(?) Buu. His admission about Goku at the end of the Buu Arc. These are Vegeta's best showings, and they don't occur during his "badass" moments, they occur when he's hit rock bottom and has to actually move forward as a character to pull himself back out.

We've disagreed on most posts here, but I 100% agree with this (which is ironically what Vegeta told Goku at the end of RoF it seems). Vegeta seems to be the best he can be when he is facing a ''fight or flight'' situation from within. Maybe his slow acting/arrogance in this movie will promote new growth. Afterall he himself admits that defeating Goku is his goal, and that he wants to defeat him one day, and even says he keeps him around for his personal ambitions in this movie. Its kinda weird, he can't be the best when he's the best (in terms of power etc) but when he has a target to chase and try to accomplish (in this case surpassing Goku). I don't think its even about power level anymore, since they're not that far apart (if not on par), but mainly in terms of the fact that Goku has some character traits that he lacks at times (tapping into his latent ability when his loved ones are in danger like in BoG) and the fact that he still refuses to work as a team due to pride. Will we get a movie where both characters develop? Who knows, one can hope.

[Lord Beerus]

While I don't feel like this movie is bad.. I'll definitely say it's pretty pointless from reading the synopsis. Unlike BoG that expands the lore, RoF is just pointless fun (for lack of a better way to put it).


I'm still on board to go see it in theaters and even buy the DVD when it comes out.

Yeah, the movie is essentially a Toei movie with more of a Toriyama touch to it and expanded by about 40 minutes. Dragon Ball Z movies have never been rich on plot but most of them have still been widely entertaining, regardless. Fusion Reborn had zero plot but the only movies I would rank above that are Wrath Of The Dragon and BOG. So that certainty says something. When I watch the movie and if it can keep me engaged and entertained from start to finish, then mission accomplished, I will have enjoyed the movie. And that is all that will really matter to me.

[Mystic Tien]

I've always found Vegeta to be a more interesting character when he loses. Whenever he wins, he becomes a one-note arrogant dick that screws everything up for everybody (see the entire Cell Arc and the early Buu Arc.)

But when he loses, that's when he undergoes development. His craftiness on Namek. His contemplation of and achievement of a new Super Saiyan form after losing to 18. Him finally showing that he cares about Trunks after Cell kills him. Him realizing what it will take to stop(?) Buu. His admission about Goku at the end of the Buu Arc. These are Vegeta's best showings, and they don't occur during his "badass" moments, they occur when he's hit rock bottom and has to actually move forward as a character to pull himself back out.

I completely agree with you, that's why most of my favorite moments with Vegeta which I listed was him losing (for most of time), yet it led to him having a beautiful character development and showing his geniune care for his loved ones, as well as his close friend and rival, Son Goku. His speech about Goku in the end of Buu arc was delightful as well, it showed the ending of his character development, as he admitted that Goku was better.

So I am perfectly fine with Vegeta fighting against Frieza, being it weakened, or not, in attempt to save the Earth. What I really have problems with is him not fighting against fresh Frieza when he actually had a chance to and was even given an offer from Goku, which he rejected... Because of being nervous. This just doesn't sound right. After all these years, he should have finally come to terms with what he really wanted and appreciated, and starting trying to defend it, despite how strong and fearful villain is, the same way as Goku always does it. So I didn't like him refusing to fight with Frieza, when he actually had a chance. I also appreciate him appearing and saving Goku, while deflecting Frieza's beam and giving Goku a senzu bean, after which beginning his fight with Frieza. But because of his overconfidence or should I better say... indiscretion, Frieza had a chance to act, and ended up destroying the Earth, with everything which Vegeta was trying to protect. And I won't pretend, that it never happened. It happened, so, while I appreciate Vegeta fighting for Earth, after Goku was not able to do so, I won't give him any props of being a victor, because in his overall aim, he failed. He didn't save the Earth, he didn't protect his loved ones, and he failed to destroy Frieza.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

So, I have this one question for those who have seen the movie (Kei or Julian, I guess)... Does the base God state of Goku & Vegeta (aka using Super Saiyan God's power in base) work like a transformation, like it happened with Gohan's Ultimate state in M13 & BoG? Do we at least see them powering-up at all before their fights? I'm asking because it works as a transformation in Dragon Ball Heroes for Goku, and if it really does, it would easily fix the inconsistency that Super Saiyan God causes with Oob in the manga....

[Polyphase Avatron]

What about Jaco? He never died, did he?

[Mystic Tien]

What about Jaco? He never died, did he?

This is what I was interested in for a long time. I don't believe it was actually said in a summary, who exactly survived, but I guess, if he was near Whis and Goku during the fight between Vegeta and Frieza, then he survived.

[Lord Beerus]

What about Jaco? He never died, did he?

This is what I was interested in for a long time. I don't believe it was actually said in a summary, who exactly survived, but I guess, if he was near Whis and Goku during the fight between Vegeta and Freeza, then he survived.

I hope Jaco survived in Resurrection F. It would devastate me if he died. He's so awesome.

[Dyno]

Didn't you read movie's summary?

[Vidmusc]

What about Jaco? He never died, did he?

This is what I was interested in for a long time. I don't believe it was actually said in a summary, who exactly survived, but I guess, if he was near Whis and Goku during the fight between Vegeta and Freeza, then he survived.

I assume that Jaco did survive considering this was in the synopsis:

Bulma asks Jaco if it’s really all right for him not to be arresting Whis, since control over time is a serious offense.

I'm pretty sure Bulma and Kuririn survived as well. Not sure about Piccolo, Gohan or Roshi though. Hopefully Julian or kei could confirm who survived?

[Mystic Tien]

What about Jaco? He never died, did he?

This is what I was interested in for a long time. I don't believe it was actually said in a summary, who exactly survived, but I guess, if he was near Whis and Goku during the fight between Vegeta and Freeza, then he survived.

I assume that Jaco did survive considering this was in the synopsis:

Bulma asks Jaco if it’s really all right for him not to be arresting Whis, since control over time is a serious offense.

I'm pretty sure Bulma and Kuririn survived as well. Not sure about Piccolo, Gohan or Roshi though. Hopefully Julian or kei could confirm who survived?

But it was already after Whis rewound time. We don't know for sure if he survived Earth's destruction, or not, I guess.

[RandomGuy96]

So, I have this one question for those who have seen the movie (Kei or Julian, I guess)... Does the base God state of Goku & Vegeta (aka using Super Saiyan God's power in base) work like a transformation, like it happened with Gohan's Ultimate state in M13 & BoG? Do we at least see them powering-up at all before their fights? I'm asking because it works as a transformation in Dragon Ball Heroes for Goku, and if it really does, it would easily fix the inconsistency that Super Saiyan God causes with Oob in the manga....

No it wouldn't. Goku said he wanted to fight Uub at 100% in the manga, and still considered that a worthy fight. He also stated that fights aren't fun unless the true powers of the fighters are at least somewhat close.

[miguelnuva1]

TO have a Defeat a finishing blow needs to be delivered.

So getting someone to fall to the ground and scream in fear isn't a defeat ?

Not if they figure out a way to come back. A defeat is either killing or forcing you foe to retreat. Frieza did not die from Vegeta and Vegeta did not make him retreat. Vegeta dominated the fight, have Frieza dead to rights and then Frieza took a cheap way out to steal a victory.