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and Beerus is sleeping during the whole story tellingBaggie_Saiyan wrote:Whis gather's every up for story time about his and Beerus's past, this lasts the whole movie.
I've been wanting to make a thread on this, but I feel like whatever plans Toriyama may have had for the Makaio(shin) probably got squelched by the introduction of the Gods of Destruction in BoG. Even if Beerus is ultimately more neutral than anything else, in BoG he was a god serving as the antagonist, which presumably is the same role which any Makaio or Makaioshin would fill. Introducing them now would just make them look like a repetitive follow-up to Beerus, though maybe they could serve as something other than main antagonists. Also, it may be telling that Chouzenshuu 4 retells the same background information on the Kaios and Kaioshins that Toriyama introduced in the Super Exciting Guides, but leaves out every mention of any Makaio or Makaioshin. They may be retconning them out completely in light of BoG.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:The Multiverse hasn't been too bad of a wait yet, but the Makaio(shin) have been a dangling thread for almost going on a decade now...
Yeah, I know. I won't be shocked if they just fade into the abyss, but I'd like them not to. While it is probably ultimately pointless, I'm going to retain a sliver of hope that they may not be forever forgotten since they still remain mentioned in Chozenshu #1 and the Buu Arc Full Color interviews with Toriyama (the latter of which was released after Chozenshu #4, though it was just recycled info).Herms wrote:I've been wanting to make a thread on this, but I feel like whatever plans Toriyama may have had for the Makaio(shin) probably got squelched by the introduction of the Gods of Destruction in BoG. Even if Beerus is ultimately more neutral than anything else, in BoG he was a god serving as the antagonist, which presumably is the same role which any Makaio or Makaioshin would fill. Introducing them now would just make them look like a repetitive follow-up to Beerus, though maybe they could serve as something other than main antagonists. Also, it may be telling that Chouzenshuu 4 retells the same background information on the Kaios and Kaioshins that Toriyama introduced in the Super Exciting Guides, but leaves out every mention of any Makaio or Makaioshin. They may be retconning them out completely in light of BoG.
Typical BeerusBeerus-sama wrote:and Beerus is sleeping during the whole story tellingBaggie_Saiyan wrote:Whis gather's every up for story time about his and Beerus's past, this lasts the whole movie.
or maybe he goes to sleep at the begining of the movie so Whis decides he wants to tell their story to everyone :3
or this happens straight after RF and everyone is eating pudding, once Beerus finishes his, he goes to sleep 
No more Saiyan worship....xJeffx wrote:An Ancient evil Saiyan king who was known as the strongest Saiyan in history was sealed away by the previous ssj god, his seal broke once Goku became ssj god. The evil Saiyan king heads to earth to defeat Goku and conquer earth.
Zephyr wrote:The fandom's collective fetishizing of "moments" is also ridiculous to me. No, not everyone needs a fucking "shine" moment. If that's all you want, then all you want is fanservice, rather than an actual coherent story. And of course those aren't mutually exclusive; you could have a coherent story with "shine" moments! But if a story is perfectly coherent (and I'm really not seeing any compelling arguments that this one is anything but, despite constantly recurring, really poorly reasoned, attempts to argue otherwise), and you're bemoaning the lack of "shine" moments as a reason for the story's poor quality, then you're letting your thirst for "shine" moments obfuscate your ability to detect basic storytelling when it's right in front of you.
fadeddreams5 wrote:Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
jjgp1112 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.
I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.
Truthfully, I don't expect much at all from Toriyama's interpretation of the 12 universes, so it'd never kill my hype. I think what people really want are just Toriyama designs of the 12 gods of destruction and other characters that parallel existing ones (e.g. a hero like Goku from another universe, or another universe's set of Kais/Kaioshins). Besides that, there's not much he can do. Either a god of destruction rebels (or they all do, minus Beerus), a new villain appears who's stronger than and affiliated with them, a tournament is formed that features them, or they have a party.Barunks wrote:Am I literally the only one who wants toriyama to stay as far away from the 12 universes as possible? The possibilities are literally so vast that probably everyone has a completely different idea of what they would be like, so by the time they actually do get introduced everybody will come away dissapointed because they don't your own personal imagination. Why would you guys want to set yourselves up for that?
Eh, I don't think it'd be a problem if the movie focused on only one of those universes. Introduce one of them with villains and maybe some new heroes that can stand alongside Goku and Vegeta and go from there. I think we'd only get a waste if they attempted to introduce multiple universes at once. Then they'd likely be just fodder.Barunks wrote:Am I literally the only one who wants toriyama to stay as far away from the 12 universes as possible? The possibilities are literally so vast that probably everyone has a completely different idea of what they would be like, so by the time they actually do get introduced everybody will come away dissapointed because they don't match your own personal imagination. Why would you guys want to set yourselves up for that?
I like this idea. Not too serious, and it continues the plotline of Goku (and Vegeta I suppose) being in league with the biggest almighties of DB's universes. I think it'd be an excellent way to wrap up the "God" trilogy.fadeddreams5 wrote:- The ultimate tournament is set: all the gods of destruction gather to determine who's the strongest in the multiverse. Goku and Vegeta, not resisting the urge to test their new strength, join to fight their toughest opponents yet. The fight is on! Featuring the rematch of the century: Goku vs Vegeta. You can just imagine this in movie posters.
voltlunok wrote: I would like a movie that focuses on everyone else while Goku and Vegeta are away having their godly bromance, I'd like to see everyone else save the world.
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jcogginsa wrote:Beerus is contacted by the God of Creation, who's job is to take the remains of what he destroys and remake it into something new.
Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/ ... yama-2013/Kanzenshuu Translation of a Toriyama Interview wrote: Interviewer: In the film Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods, coming out in March 2013, a new god, the “God of Destruction”, appears. In this [book], Kaiō-sama and Kaiōshin-sama are described as “Gods of Creation”, but do they have the power to create things like planets?
AT: Rather than Kaiōshin-sama making planets, he is able to provide the impetus for them to be born. Also, he will sometimes divide up one planet and increase the number of planets. He will even do things like create life-forms, or transplant them from another planet, but his basic job is to watch over the numerous planets. Because the number of planets is so very large, the four Kaiō-sama help him out as well. They intervene if it appears that the world’s balance will crumble, but normally, they merely act in an advisory role for new life-forms, and don’t get involved. In order to provide a balance to the constantly increasing number of planets, the God of Destruction destroys [them], but he does not act on Kaiōshin’s orders; he destroys according to his own individual judgment. Except, he is capricious, so he will destroy even an important world without a second thought, or when he finds it bothersome, let someone else act as an agent of destruction.
What about Towa and Demigra from Xenoverse? They're both evil shinjin from the Demon Realm, and Towa is reveiled to be Dabra's brother (seemingly confirming speculation that Dabra is a makaioshin). Not that Toriyama sat down and wrote the plot for DBO or Xenoverse, but they seem to be building off of that idea.Herms wrote:I've been wanting to make a thread on this, but I feel like whatever plans Toriyama may have had for the Makaio(shin) probably got squelched by the introduction of the Gods of Destruction in BoG. Even if Beerus is ultimately more neutral than anything else, in BoG he was a god serving as the antagonist, which presumably is the same role which any Makaio or Makaioshin would fill. Introducing them now would just make them look like a repetitive follow-up to Beerus, though maybe they could serve as something other than main antagonists. Also, it may be telling that Chouzenshuu 4 retells the same background information on the Kaios and Kaioshins that Toriyama introduced in the Super Exciting Guides, but leaves out every mention of any Makaio or Makaioshin. They may be retconning them out completely in light of BoG.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:The Multiverse hasn't been too bad of a wait yet, but the Makaio(shin) have been a dangling thread for almost going on a decade now...
This would be a nice little retcon.Dayspring wrote:During the events of this film, the Oracle Fish tells Goku about how Uub will become a great fighter one day and that he'll meet him at the 28th Budokai.
True that. But I feel it's still a surprise after the 2nd movie. At least more so than an evil god. There's no indication he's bad at all.TheDevilsCorpse wrote:As much as I like Whis, I wouldn't mind seeing him betraying everyone. Though I don't really see that as anything new or unexpected twist though. People, myself included, were speculating that he might be a Makaioshin and the true villain of Battle of Gods from almost the moment he was introduced. Even after we found out his actual role in the film, some of us still held on to the idea that he could be a turncoat in later movies. It obviously didn't happen this time and becomes less likely with each new film, but I don't think it would be a huge shocker to at least a large number of fans.
Evil Shinjin were stated to be sent to Makai to be with the Makaio(shin), not that they become them. We currently don't know what said gods of Makai are, just that they were intended to exist at one point in supplemental information. It's possible they were going to build upon this idea with Dragon Ball Online, but they never got far enough to confirm anything. Now, with Xenoverse, even if that was their original path, they don't seem to be going down it anymore.batistabus wrote:What about Towa and Demigra from Xenoverse? They're both evil shinjin from the Demon Realm, and Towa is reveiled to be Dabra's brother (seemingly confirming speculation that Dabra is a makaioshin). Not that Toriyama sat down and wrote the plot for DBO or Xenoverse, but they seem to be building off of that idea.
