What counts as "lost" content in the franchise?

[dougo13]

Dr. Slump anime? I can't find this anywhere, only about 20 episodes.

What? The first series? It was released on DVD in Japan some time ago. If you means in subs, that's different. Or do you mean the 2nd series?

[TheGreatness25]

I suppose that the Ocean/Westwood dub of the "Android Saga" and onward are "lost."

As for Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, it's included on one of the PS3 games with a translation, not relying on fansubs. I have that game, I watched it...it's pretty cool.

[bleed0range]

So a lot of people call Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans the "lost OVA" when that's not true about it at all. It's available on the JPN Dragon Boxes and fansubs of it have been available for a long time. But what actually [img]is[/img] lost content of the manga or anime? I'm not talking audio either, I mean stuff we haven't seen before. That year-end special counts, but what else is there that was shown but never released after it was aired?

Well before the recent remake and Dragon Boxes... Plan to Eradicate was pretty "lost" in that it was difficult to get a hold of, it wasn't released officially in America and it was from a pretty obscure place (some random defunct video game). Now, of course, it's a lot more widely known and easy to obtain. But at one point that wasn't really true so to American fans who didn't know about it... it was kind of treated like this "lost" thing. But I mean, once they learned about it and got a fan sub or something of it (which I did back in like 1999 or something) then you understood it wasn't really "lost" but it was also pretty obscure.

These days, with YouTube and what not, it's a lot harder for video like that to not surface. But I'd say Yo! Son Goku! is still kind of a "lost" ova in that it hasn't been officially released in America or dubbed and a lot of American fans may not be aware of it. But I mean, it's easy enough to find now on YT with subs and all that so people are more aware of it I think then Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans was in the late 90s and early 2000s.

[GS7X7]

Didn't Japanese tv have a "recap episode" similar to "Cowboy Bebop episode 13.5" that took place during the Cell saga?

I read that Ramza (famous fansubber and poster here) had a copy.


I also know that Toriyama once did a 1-2 page gag comic about a female crime fighter who winds up as a prostitute that was published in a magazine, but that has nothing to do with DB. :p

[kei17]

There's some DB-related TV shows that have never re-aired that can be called "lost," but from what I know, the only thing that may have been truly lost forever is the pilot of the original Dragon Ball that was used for the voice casting auditions. Some official books have a few cel scans of it, but they don't seem to have access to the film master anymore. The only way to see it in motion is the trailer that aired after the last few episodes of Dr. Slump, but it's consist of just a few short shots.

[testing223]

A good quality recording of the Terebikko game footage:










probably doesn't exist.



Sorry for my poor English.

[kei17]

A good quality recording of the Terebikko game footage:

*snips*

probably doesn't exist.



Sorry for my poor English.

Terebikko was officially released on VHS in good quality. I've got a brand new copy which looks pretty decent.

[Hellspawn28]

People seem to be confused on what's consider to be lost. There's a big difference between lost and hard to find. Terebikko game footage is hard to find because there's zero interest in it. Fans outside of Japan don't want to put the time and effort into it. With Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, it had old bad guys came back as ghost and a cool looking new villain. Subbers during the 90's and early 2000's put the time and effort to track it down.

[kei17]

People seem to be confused on what's consider to be lost. There's a big difference between lost and hard to find. Terebikko game footage is hard to find because there's zero interest in it. Fans outside of Japan don't want to put the time and effort into it. With Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, it had old bad guys came back as ghost and a cool looking new villain. Subbers during the 90's and early 2000's put the time and effort to track it down.

From what I can recall...

Hard to find:

• Trailers that aired after the last few episodes of Dr. Slump
• TV spots advertising DB and DBZ that randomly aired on Fuji TV
• Commercials of Toei Manga Matsuri/Anime Fair
• Some digest specials which are consist of clips from the movies and TV series
• Documentary about the process of animation production
• VHS with the opening animation of Final Bout in better quality
• Harmony Gold dub (especially the TV episodes)
• Cambodian dub
• Philippines English dub
• Korean English dub (for educational purposes)
• First Korean dub (DBZ movies and TV special 1)

Lost:

• Pilot of the original Dragon Ball (probably)

[Kakacarrottop]

Lost
* The original title card for episode 51 of the Saban dub. Apparently it first aired with the title "The Relentless Recoome", but was changed to "No Refuge from Recoome" on the second airing and has remained so ever since. The original title card has never surfaced online so i can only assume no one recorded it on the first airing.
* Big Green dub for the GT special, people have confirmed it exists and aired on TV but it's never surfaced online.

Hard to find
* Westwood dub & Blue Water dub. Never released on home video and haven't aired in years. Currently they only exist via the internet and home recordings.
* The FUNi redub for the Namek saga that aired on TV. It featured Sabat as Burter. For the Orange Brick release a few years later he was replaced by the guy who did Broly for some reason.
* Toonami versions of FUNi's early in-house dub.
* Saban dub & BLT dub soundtrack CDs from 1995 & 1996.
* American DBZ commercials & VHS recordings from the pre-Toonami era.
* Big Green dub of the DB movies.
Formerly hard to find
* Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans OVA. Later released on Raging Blast 2.
* 1997 Saban dub for the Tree of Might. Released to home video for the first time in 2013 on the Rock the Dragon Box set.

[Dayspring]

Hard to find:
-The one-page manga Toriyama drew as a Christmas special (all the manga-ka did so at the end of a special issue of Jump) that contains Lunch's last appearance in the manga (occurs during the Namek Saga). Aside from a small reprint in Daizenshuu 7, it doesn't exist anywhere anymore.
-Awawa World: Toriyama's first manga ever. It was printed in Bird Land Press only since it was rejected by Jump.
-Mysterious Rain Jack: Toriyama's second manga attempt. Also printed only in Bird Land Press.


Lost: the 500+ pages of manga that Toriyama submitted, but got rejected over and over again after Wonder Island. Someone apparently stole all of his earliest works, with only Wonder Island being found because it had already been reprinted in that 3-volume collection of his shorts. This theft is also the reason why finding those super obscure Bird Land Press releases are the only way to find Awawa World and Mysterious Rain Jack.

[SuicidalZerg]

Lost
* The original title card for episode 51 of the Saban dub. Apparently it first aired with the title "The Relentless Recoome", but was changed to "No Refuge from Recoome" on the second airing and has remained so ever since. The original title card has never surfaced online so i can only assume no one recorded it on the first airing.

Ya know, I actually recorded DBZ here on it's first run in America... when I was 6 years old...

Back then, I had this massive collection of tapes full of Dragon Ball episodes. Sadly that is loooooooooong gone, otherwise I would have hooked up my VCR and gone searching for that title card.

[dougo13]

Since I have all the last episodes of Dr. Slump and the first episodes of Dragonball, it should be easy to find the TV spots for DB. There were a bunch of toy commercials on that tape with the first episode I had never seen before. Will keep it in mind when I go looking for more tapes.

[dougo13]

"-The one-page manga Toriyama drew as a Christmas special (all the manga-ka did so at the end of a special issue of Jump) that contains Lunch's last appearance in the manga (occurs during the Namek Saga). Aside from a small reprint in Daizenshuu 7, it doesn't exist anywhere anymore.
-Awawa World: Toriyama's first manga ever. It was printed in Bird Land Press only since it was rejected by Jump.
-Mysterious Rain Jack: Toriyama's second manga attempt. Also printed only in Bird Land Press.


Lost: the 500+ pages of manga that Toriyama submitted, but got rejected over and over again after Wonder Island. Someone apparently stole all of his earliest works, with only Wonder Island being found because it had already been reprinted in that 3-volume collection of his shorts. This theft is also the reason why finding those super obscure Bird Land Press releases are the only way to find Awawa World and Mysterious Rain Jack."

Can you be more specific as to what issue it might have been in? I pulled out a bunch of the Young Jump manga volumes I have remaining in my collection (I had hundreds at one time but had to discard them as they had gotten water damaged from poor storage). I have Christmas issues from late 1989/1990 but I don't see anything other than things like Dragonquest and the odd single panel colour section as part of a calendar for instance. I have other issues I saved though, so perhaps we'll get lucky and it's in there.

One thing I've noticed is the lack of presence by Toriyama for front covers for anime mags. I have entire runs of mags from 1980 to 2000 and his work appears on none of the ones I've pulled out so far. This is actually surprising seeing how popular shows like Dr. Slump and Dragonball were. Then again, many other famous artists' work never graced the pages of mags like New Type, Animage, My Anime, Animedia, The Anime, etc. either. Tezuka's work is glaringly absent. Strange, eh?

[Duo]

The episodes of Kai with the Yamamoto score that were never aired / never saw a DVD release are basically eradicated. Does that count?

[Chuquita]

Early drafts for character designs outside of ssj3 Gokû, child Gokû, Cell, Buu, Kaio, Bulma, Oolong, and Popo.

I would love to see what the early, discarded drafts for Vegeta looked like and how different he could've looked.

[Tyro]

Hard to find:
-The one-page manga Toriyama drew as a Christmas special (all the manga-ka did so at the end of a special issue of Jump) that contains Lunch's last appearance in the manga (occurs during the Namek Saga). Aside from a small reprint in Daizenshuu 7, it doesn't exist anywhere anymore.

I wouldn't say that image is hard to find anymore. Along with being reprinted in Daizenshuu #7, it was included in the Chogashuu as well.

[kei17]

The episodes of Kai with the Yamamoto score that were never aired / never saw a DVD release are basically eradicated. Does that count?

Oh, I forgot to mention that one. Yeah, there's some stuff in Kai that we won't see forever:

• Some late episodes with the original music placement (they took away The Ebb and the Flow and A New Foe Rears His Head from them)
• Episode 96 to 98 with the Yamamoto score
• The uncensored version of episode 96 (they edited out earthquake scenes and extended the recap)
• Original Soundtrack IV

Hard to find:

• The English dub of some early Android arc episodes with The Ebb and the Flow and A New Foe Rears His Head which were shortly available only on Nicktoon's official streaming
• The CW edit with the Yamamoto score
• The Taiwanese Mandarin dub with the Yamamoto score
• The Brazilian Portuguese dub of the Freeza arc with Yamamoto score which once mistakenly aired on TV
• The temporary Kikuchi score placement that aired only on Japanese local channels

[jamiljamtheman]

I think the Nicktoons and 4kids versions of Kai are lost, aren't they?
I kinda want to watch them to play spot-the-difference (I DID watch Kai up until Frieza's 5 minutes, where I got impatient), but I can't seem to find them on disk anywhere. Does anyone know where these edits still exist?

[Kakacarrottop]

I think the Nicktoons and 4kids versions of Kai are lost, aren't they?
I kinda want to watch them to play spot-the-difference (I DID watch Kai up until Freeza's 5 minutes, where I got impatient), but I can't seem to find them on disk anywhere. Does anyone know where these edits still exist?

I think i saw the censored Nicktoons Kai episodes available on an illegal streaming site a few years ago, although they might have been removed by now.