Goku and Superman Popularity

[rereboy]

Actually, I'm with Bullza on this one.

All that Bullza stated was that the previous Superman movie to Superman Returns failed ("made chump change") and thus they didn't make a sequel for it, but did TV shows ("was demoted to TV shows") and when they did a reboot with Superman Returns, it wasn't successful enough ("flopped"), namely to easily spawn sequels.

And his point with all this was that while that was going on, Batman seemed to be more successful, which is something that even you admitted when you stated that "Batman has always been more marketable than Superman".

His post didn't even focus on how long it took for the Superman Returns reboot to happen or that there wasn't a will or interest in doing new Superman movies, it focused on the lack of success of the previous movie to Superman Returns and also on the lack of success of the reboot, Superman Returns (which obviously made sequels to them much more difficult).

And yet, your response seemed to focus on explaining why it took so long for the reboot to happen and that there existed an interest in doing new superman movies, even though that wasn't the focus of his post, and you even started your post by saying "he isn't quite aware what he's talking about".

So... I'm with Bullza on this one. I really don't think you understood the focus of Bullza's post and responded to his post by claiming that he "isn't quite aware of what he's talking about" while focusing your whole post on something that he didn't really focus.

And your response to him saying that that wasn't his focus on his original post is that he is putting "new words on his mouth". I really don't agree with that... At most you could criticize the expressions he used on his original post, but your response to it was worse in terms of expressions than his.

[Hellspawn28]

At least Superman has a good history in Hollywood. Goku has one film made in Hollywood and will probably be his last .

[Lord Beerus]

At least Superman has a good history in Hollywood. Goku has one film made in Hollywood and will probably be his last .

First impressions can really make or break your movie career.

[GokuRules987]

At least Superman has a good history in Hollywood. Goku has one film made in Hollywood and will probably be his last .

hollywood movies dont usually hold their crowd for too long, you need long running series in order to get real popularity, otherwise your just getting attention.

[Kamiccolo9]

At least Superman has a good history in Hollywood. Goku has one film made in Hollywood and will probably be his last .

hollywood movies dont usually hold their crowd for too long, you need long running series in order to get real popularity, otherwise your just getting attention.

[Berserker1921]

At least Superman has a good history in Hollywood. Goku has one film made in Hollywood and will probably be his last .

hollywood movies dont usually hold their crowd for too long, you need long running series in order to get real popularity, otherwise your just getting attention.

Hey if it's animated like this new one RoF. Then sure it will be awesome. Hopefully it makes a good amount of money here. So then it would be like American animated films. But honestly Hollywood screwed up a live action dbz film for another 5-15 years haha. If not longer. Honestly I want them to wait 10-15 years. Hopefully then you can have amazing cgi to make these mkvies amazing.

[Kamiccolo9]

That was supposed to be a reference to Star Wars being a megapopular hit long before anyone ever thought of giving it a series, but whatever.

[GokuRules987]

At least Superman has a good history in Hollywood. Goku has one film made in Hollywood and will probably be his last .

hollywood movies dont usually hold their crowd for too long, you need long running series in order to get real popularity, otherwise your just getting attention.

And?






star wars clone wars,legos, books series, spin offs are the main reason why star wars is still popular not because they are still obsessed over a 1983 movie.

[Kamiccolo9]

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You seriously think that the continuing success of the original Star Wars trilogy is due to the toys?

[Hellspawn28]

star wars clone wars,legos, books series, spin offs are the main reason why star wars is still popular not because they are still obsessed over a 1983 movie.

The same can be said for DBZ as well. DBZ is still popular because of toys, video games, new animated movies and spin offs (Episode of Bardock).

[The Desert Bandit]

I've honestly been trying to spread DB/DBZ's popularity, but what really grinds my gears is when people say they didn't like DBZ, but they started FROM DBZ. I feel that starting off from Dragon Ball is better. My dad as well as another friend of mine managed to get into the series after starting from DB and working their way up.

Unfortunately, most of the people who claimed to have started off from Z and watched a few episodes of it, won't even budge and give Dragon Ball a chance. It really upsets me.

Anyway, as for DB getting another live action film, I think it's possible. I think Dragon Ball is perfectly capable of having a live action movie. The problem with Evolution was that the producers didn't follow Akira Toriyama's advice and would lie to him, trying to use charts and numbers from the public as opposed to the creator's own advice. If hollywood were to attempt making another Dragon Ball movie, there's a chance it could be a 4-star movie if it were made with the same love and attention Akira Toriyama gave his franchise.

[Hellspawn28]

Another live action movie from Hollywood won't happen for a long time. Evolution still recent and was a box office failure. Superman Returns may have failed to live up to the hype but it was not a total failure.

[Bullza]

I could take the mistyping and attempt to put new words into your mouth that were never there rather than just going "Whoops, that's not what I meant" but when you are actively arguing with things you've said earlier... I'm out.

No it's all down to how you misinterpreted what I said. At no point did I say there were no plans to make a Superman movie between Superman IV and Returns or that there were no plans because Superman IV bombed.

This is just something you magically came out with based on nothing at all in order to argue against a point that I'd never made to begin with.

So as I said next time just read the words carefully so to avoid getting yourself confused.

[The Desert Bandit]

Another live action movie from Hollywood won't happen for a long time. Evolution still recent and was a box office failure. Superman Returns may have failed to live up to the hype but it was not a total failure.

Actually, Dragon Ball Evolution did pretty well in the box office. According to Box Office Mojo:

On its opening weekend in the United States, the film grossed $4,756,488 ranking #8 at the box office.

In its second weekend, it dropped to eleventh place. The film had a gross earning in the United States and Canada of $9,362,785 and a foreign gross of $48,134,914 for a combined box office gross of $57,497,699.

It is possible to make a good live action Dragon Ball movie. But again, it would take the same care and love that Akira Toriyama put into his mangas.

[Hellspawn28]

Actually, Dragon Ball Evolution did pretty well in the box office. According to Box Office Mojo:

Evolution did not do pretty well. Grossing 57 million on a 30-40 million budget is not good given how much marketing went into the movie and the movie didn't make enough money in the US to cover it's budget. Most of the movie's box office gross came from China and the US only gets like 20% from China seeing that studios like Legendary Pictures only got 20% of China's gross on Pacific Rim. Movies need to almost triple of its estimated budget in order to be a hit.

For a big brand name like Dragon Ball, the movie could have done much better at the box office. Bad word of mouth killed the movie. People where hating on the film before the movie was released.

[Rocketman]

The problem with Evolution was that the producers didn't follow Akira Toriyama's advice and would lie to him, trying to use charts and numbers from the public as opposed to the creator's own advice.

Given the shit Toriyama's pushing out these days, Evolution would've been even worse.

[RandomGuy96]

I want those Legos. Like, all of them. Now. I would go out and buy them now, if those sets weren't so ridiculously expensive. Half the time I just wanted to buy one single minifigure but had to buy a whole set for it. Yes, they let you buy individual minifigures now, but they're never the ones I want, and they're way overpriced, so... wait, right. Dragon Ball. Superman.

Man of Steel made three times its production budget, 667 million dollars, despite being a technically crappy film. So, obviously, Superman is still a cash cow. He also has another hugely expensive movie on the way, and a continuing comic series. No manga character can compete with how amazingly popular and profitable he is.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

What do you mean by "technically crappy film"?

[RandomGuy96]

What do you mean by "technically crappy film"?

I mean that, technically, the movie isn't good. The characters are shallow, unlikable, and subject to constantly changing motivations. The fights make me dizzy and are visually boring 95% of the time because nobody actually gets hurt (the Kryptonians can't even hurt each other without grappling). There are plot holes big enough to drive a jumbo jet through. The pacing is horrible, with things just sort of happening in any random order rather than what's thematically appropriate. The whole film looks grey and dull.

Yet it still made shitloads of money.

[The Desert Bandit]

The problem with Evolution was that the producers didn't follow Akira Toriyama's advice and would lie to him, trying to use charts and numbers from the public as opposed to the creator's own advice.

Given the shit Toriyama's pushing out these days, Evolution would've been even worse.

I doubt it. If Evolution would try to at least partially retell Dragon Ball, Akira Toriyama would be best for abridging his own work to a good movie-length. Evolution didn't need it's own story. Superman films retells Superman's origins constantly, so why not Dragon Ball? It'd be a good way to get more people hooked on the series.