dbzfan7 wrote: Nothing says they can't just do the happy fun time circle over and over til they absorb the forms power. Vegeta himself could have taken several tries before he got it, we don't know. It's the most bullshit power up ever. It's so powerful it DWARFS ALL FORMS OF FUSION!
This is everything Dragon Ball isn't and everything that the movies are.
I can't even argue anymore about this new stuff. It's so completely stupid, that... whatever.
Hell potara is so powerful (and to some fusion is just as powerful) that it was comparable to Super Saiyan 4...as a plain Super Saiyan. SSJ God shits on Potara and wipes it's ass with the earrings. SSGSS is no different than gold SSJ4. Both have the same recolour principal, but apparently since Toriyama did it, it's amazing. We're about to get this...and we already did with Goku.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
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Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
I love how one can't even visit other threads in entirely different sections of the forum without the same bitching and moaning about the new stuff and how it's 'RUINED FOREVER' level. *sigh*
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Gyt Kaliba wrote:I love how one can't even visit other threads in entirely different sections of the forum without the same bitching and moaning about the new stuff and how it's 'RUINED FOREVER' level. *sigh*
Ditto for your bitching and moaning.
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Yes, how dare I want to come into a thread about fan art and such and see what kind of work fans have put into their art, and be disappointed to find the same complaints that have practically consumed other areas of the board. Shame on me!
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Gyt Kaliba wrote:Yes, how dare I want to come into a thread about fan art and such and see what kind of work fans have put into their art, and be disappointed to find the same complaints that have practically consumed other areas of the board. Shame on me!
Well it wasn't even a complaint about the new forms, it was a statement about SSJ4 in comparison that started it.
Polyphase Avatron wrote:Well at least SSJG doesn't turn you into a furry.
There, I said it.
But Oozaru already did that
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Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Gyt Kaliba wrote:Yes, how dare I want to come into a thread about fan art and such and see what kind of work fans have put into their art, and be disappointed to find the same complaints that have practically consumed other areas of the board. Shame on me!
That's not at all what I'm saying. I really don't appreciate the heavy sarcasm when you're not really adding anything yourself.
It's also overly dramatic to say it's been consumed by it after not even two pages in a three hundred page thread. If people have fanart to post they're still going to post it.
This really started by a comment insulting Super Saiyan 4. But somehow only the comments against the new movie forms are seen as a problem.
I'm re-watching Dragon Ball GT in full on my blog. Check it out if you're interested in my thoughts on the series as I watch through it!
Welp I know where Toriyama has been for the past few years .
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
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KentalSSJ6 wrote:Saiyan Android and a utter psycho that would make the Joker blush with admiration.
Saiyan Android...guess Dr. Gero kidnapping orphans extended to Planet Vegeta? XD
She's a psycho even by Saiyan standards. When the Saiyan occupation force arrives on Earth while the Red Ribbon Army are at war with Piccolo Daimao (part of my project), she gets taken down by her own kind since shes such a loose cannon known to even kill and eat anyone who gets in the way of her "fun" which can even include fellow Saiyans. Gero finds her afterwards with the intent of making her a weapon to use in overthrowing the current Saiyan occupation of Earth.
KentalSSJ6 wrote:Saiyan Android and a utter psycho that would make the Joker blush with admiration.
Saiyan Android...guess Dr. Gero kidnapping orphans extended to Planet Vegeta? XD
She's a psycho even by Saiyan standards. When the Saiyan occupation force arrives on Earth while the Red Ribbon Army are at war with Piccolo Daimao (part of my project), she gets taken down by her own kind since shes such a loose cannon known to even kill and eat anyone who gets in the way of her "fun" which can even include fellow Saiyans. Gero finds her afterwards with the intent of making her a weapon to use in overthrowing the current Saiyan occupation of Earth.
Why Dragon Ball Consistency in something such as power levels matter!
Spoiler:
Doctor. wrote:I've explained before, I'll just paraphrase myself.
Power levels establish tension and drama. People who care about them (well, people who care about them in a narrative) don't care about the big numbers or the fancy explosions. If you have character A who's so much above character B, who's the main character, you're gonna be left wondering how in the hell character B, the character we're supposed to care and root for, is going to escape the situation or overcome the odds. It makes us emotionally invested.
If character B doesn't escape the situation in a believable way that's consistent with previous events, then that emotional investment is gone. It was pointless tension, pointless drama made just to suck in the viewer. It has no critical value whatsoever. The audience is left believing that the author can just create whatever scenarios he wants and what happens to the characters is decided by whatever the author wants to happen, regardless of the events that happened in the story. Which, in fairness, is what happens, but the audience wants to be fooled. The audience wants to know that the world they're following has rules. That the world they're invested in isn't going to bend to external factors that are irrelevant to them.
An author can do whatever he wants with the characters, that's not false. But the author should also have the responsibility to make sure it fits in cohesively with the other events in the narrative he has created.
Saiga wrote:It's also overly dramatic to say it's been consumed by it after not even two pages in a three hundred page thread. If people have fanart to post they're still going to post it.
But somehow only the comments against the new movie forms are seen as a problem.
What he's getting at is that we've seen bickering about this exact aspect of the new movie more than enough in the actual designated thread for that. Now we have to see it here too? Sure, he was a tad over-dramatic, but the point stands. The bickering about the film has long since overstayed its welcome, so even one page of it in a place where it doesn't belong is annoying as hell. Comments against the new forms are fine, but the exact same criticisms and defenses of them have been regurgitated so much lately, it's tiring to see them, especially when the thread's not even supposed to be about that.
Please tell me you can understand what I'm trying to say.
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
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