What phrases/opinions/things bring out your irate fanboy?

[Duo]

TOEI's division of the series with "Z" was definitely not placed close to the major tone shift in the story. Those seeds started with Taopaipai and made a full turn by the time Piccolo was happening. At the very least, the transition would have made more sense if they had placed it a bit earlier, when Goku became an adult. None of the changes in the five years after the 23rd Budokai compare to the changes that took place with the characters in the 3 years between Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Junior.

Goku now had a kid, had a brother, was an alien, and died. Those were pretty major

Those happened after the five year divide. I'm saying that the events between Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr. had more transition quality to it than the five years after the 23rd Tenka'ichi Budokai. That's not intended as a reflection of the overall events of both series'.

[jcogginsa]

TOEI's division of the series with "Z" was definitely not placed close to the major tone shift in the story. Those seeds started with Taopaipai and made a full turn by the time Piccolo was happening. At the very least, the transition would have made more sense if they had placed it a bit earlier, when Goku became an adult. None of the changes in the five years after the 23rd Budokai compare to the changes that took place with the characters in the 3 years between Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Junior.

Goku now had a kid, had a brother, was an alien, and died. Those were pretty major

Those happened after the five year divide. I'm saying that the events between Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr. had more transition quality to it than the five years after the 23rd Tenka'ichi Budokai. That's not intended as a reflection of the overall events of both series'.

True, but a lot of major changes happened shortly after the timeskip.

[AM Reflection]

TOEI's division of the series with "Z" was definitely not placed close to the major tone shift in the story. Those seeds started with Taopaipai and made a full turn by the time Piccolo was happening. At the very least, the transition would have made more sense if they had placed it a bit earlier, when Goku became an adult. None of the changes in the five years after the 23rd Budokai compare to the changes that took place with the characters in the 3 years between Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Junior.

Goku now had a kid, had a brother, was an alien, and died. Those were pretty major

Those happened after the five year divide. I'm saying that the events between Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo Jr. had more transition quality to it than the five years after the 23rd Tenka'ichi Budokai. That's not intended as a reflection of the overall events of both series'.

Not sure what you mean by "transition quality" here when you say none of the changes compare. The 23rd Budokai was pretty much a direct continuation of the Piccolo arc so I don't see how splitting it there would have possibly made more sense. Yeah, Goku suddenly got a lot taller, but that's hardly enough justification. When "Z" begins, we're immediately thrown into a completely new story with all these new revelations. The main character of Dragon Ball then proceeds to die like 5 episodes in. It was a major change.

[Duo]

I don't disagree, but I prefer the divide between the other two arcs if a separation has to be made in the first place. There are a lot of visual and symbolic changes that take place leading into it, and I just like it better. Also, given that the american fanbase started with Z, I would have preferred if we could have gotten to know Goku and Piccolo as non-Aliens before battling the Saiyans. The Saiyan arc is so much more enriching if you know the character lore going into it more.

[jcogginsa]

I don't disagree, but I prefer the divide between the other two arcs if a separation has to be made in the first place. There are a lot of visual and symbolic changes that take place leading into it, and I just like it better. Also, given that the american fanbase started with Z, I would have preferred if we could have gotten to know Goku and Piccolo as non-Aliens before battling the Saiyans. The Saiyan arc is so much more enriching if you know the character lore going into it more.

I don't think Z would have been a success if they started at the 23rd. That arc just plain doesn't work without watching the King Piccolo arc

[Duo]

I don't think Z would have been a success if they started at the 23rd. That arc just plain doesn't work without watching the King Piccolo arc

And I don't think the Saiyan arc works that well without the prior stories, but everybody already had to get past that

[jcogginsa]

I don't think Z would have been a success if they started at the 23rd. That arc just plain doesn't work without watching the King Piccolo arc

And I don't think the Saiyan arc works that well without the prior stories, but everybody already had to get past that

It works significantly better than the 23rd Budokai

[fadeddreams5]

I get irate at the injustice Broly constantly faces. Let's be honest, Broly is the strongest character in the franchise. If he appears in a new movie, Beerus will punch him, but he won't ****ing flinch like usual. He'll eat that rabbit before yelling "KAKAROOTTTT", going on a rampage, and spending 45 minutes kicking everyone's asses. But he'll lose after Goku plucks a piece of his eyebrow or destructo disks his balls off because it ain't never a fair fight against Broly...


jk. I don't really get mad. But it is funny cause he's depicted as invincible every single time before losing to bullshit.

[RandomGuy96]

The "Z" dividing line is appropriate for a few reasons, but the main one is: the introduction of Gohan. He was basically Z's protagonist for 80% of the story. The other 20% being everything from Goku fighting Freeza to Cell absorbing No. 18. As well as the Buu arc's final battle.

[Saiga]

The "Z" dividing line is appropriate for a few reasons, but the main one is: the introduction of Gohan. He was basically Z's protagonist for 90% of the story.

Hell, even more so when you consider that one of the anime staff's possible titles for Z was "Dragon Ball: Gohan’s Big Adventure".

[FoolsGil]

Dragonball Online, when it was a thing, had in it's history that the PTO attacked Earth for revenge on Freeza. But a twist, PTO believed that Hércule killed Freeza. Oh and the still living Z Fighters still gave a shit about anonymity for whatever reason and dressed up as Super Sentai/Power Rangers when they went to defend the Earth. I didn't know what ticked me off more, that the aliens were idiots, that Hércule got claim to another victory in what was the most crowning moment in the entire series, or that fearing the celebrity life somehow became a thing back in the Cell Saga, and wreaked havoc in life choices when defending the Earth. I went through the five stages of grief afterwards.

[jcogginsa]

Dragonball Online, when it was a thing, had in it's history that the PTO attacked Earth for revenge on Freeza. But a twist, PTO believed that Hércule killed Freeza. Oh and the still living Z Fighters still gave a shit about anonymity for whatever reason and dressed up as Super Sentai/Power Rangers when they went to defend the Earth. I didn't know what ticked me off more, that the aliens were idiots, that Hércule got claim to another victory in what was the most crowning moment in the entire series, or that fearing the celebrity life somehow became a thing back in the Cell Saga, and wreaked havoc in life choices when defending the Earth. I went through the five stages of grief afterwards.

that...

that honestly sounds completely fucking hilarious

[Singh is King]

DBZ to DB is like what Naruto Shippuden is to Naruto.

I kind of prefer DB over DBZ and Naruto over Shippuden, on that note: I still like DBZ and Shippuden, though, respectively.

[cpuguy18]

"The English dub is the best. I need my super hero dialogue and my synthesized music for DBZ to be good."
"His name is Bills. Beerus is wrong."
That second one gets me. The first one is just strange. Because like, One Piece was like the DBZ dub and fans hated it and threw a fit. It's like, if it's DBZ, that's okay. But no other anime can be changed.

There are also people who hate the Funimation One Piece voices and insist that the 4Kids pirate rap is the best OP for the series and nothing else compares. I'd hazard a guess that these are the ones with the most in common with English DBZ dub super-fans.

These people exist ?

[Theophrastus]

It's possible that they weren't actually serious (at least about the rap), but I have seen people express those views on another forum I visit, yes.

The main complaint about the Funimation cast being that it shares too many actors with the DBZ dub cast (Chris Sabat as Zoro, Sonny Strait as Usopp, Eric Vale as Sanji, Colleen Clinkenbeard as Luffy, Brina Palencia as Chopper...though Clinkenbeard and Palencia were cast in One Piece way before they became associated with DBZ via Kai).

[SansrivaaL]

''Goku was meant to be a scumbag, AT didnt want to portray Goku as a good guy''
''Vegeta doesnt get anything, Vegeta deserves better''
''AT sucks on character development, he destroyed Gohan's character''
Tho I gotta admit I like the eng dub better than JP dub.

[The Desert Bandit]

''AT sucks on character development, he destroyed Gohan's character''

100% agreement! There's a difference between poorly developing characters and forgetting about them/turning them into a power scale for the villains.

[Kendamu]

Things that irked me irrationally yesterday at the DBZ Red Carpet:

- People pronouncing Gine as "Jain."
- People who read the manga with "Jain" but have no clue who Jaco is.
- People who say "Akira pulled a George Lucas when he rewrote his old Bardock story."
- People who refer to Akira Toriyama as "Akira."
- People who won't stop yelling "Mardi Gras Freeza" in a crowded theater while a movie is playing and doesn't understand why everyone's paying attention to the movie instead of him.

I think that last one is just "rude people in a theater." The rest are stupid things that bother me more than they should.

[The Desert Bandit]

Things that irked me irrationally yesterday at the DBZ Red Carpet:

- People pronouncing Gine as "Jain."
- People who read the manga with "Jain" but have no clue who Jaco is.
- People who say "Akira pulled a George Lucas when he rewrote his old Bardock story."
- People who refer to Akira Toriyama as "Akira."
- People who won't stop yelling "Mardi Gras Freeza" in a crowded theater while a movie is playing and doesn't understand why everyone's paying attention to the movie instead of him.

I think that last one is just "rude people in a theater." The rest are stupid things that bother me more than they should.

I don't think I'd ever want to visit a DBZ Red Carpet now.

[Ajay]

People who won't stop yelling "Mardi Gras Freeza" in a crowded theater while a movie is playing and doesn't understand why everyone's paying attention to the movie instead of him.

Oh god, really?! Why on earth do people think it's acceptable to talk during a film let alone yell fucking jokes so everyone can hear. I'm mad just reading about it. During the premiere of a film, too. Goddamn.