Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[Ajay]

Before it devolves further, here's the Power Level thread. You'll get a better and less antagonistic response there.

[bleed0range]

I posted this earlier this week, but went back 20 pages and still couldn't find replies...

Is there a reason why Goku can't/won't use SSJ2 or 3 with God ki as well?
If he couldn't finish Freeza without going back in time, why not just go SSJ2 then? Is it like learning the forms all over again?

SSJGod Goku in BoG used 100% at the end.
Beerus used almost 70% right???

We still don't know the strength difference between SSJG and SSJGSSJ, but if he went SSJGSSJ2, then he should be at least 2x as strong, right?
[SSjx50 - SSj2x2 of SSj - SSj3x4 of SSj2]
Beerus would have to go "almost 140%". LOL!!

...Now I'd like to know the difference between Beerus and Whis to see if Goku would win using SSJGSSJ3 to fight Whis...

While we dont know the exact power difference the reason Goku dosent use ss2 or 3 is because they burn through a lot energy just to maintain them so in the long run they are not that useful. Just look at Goku's fight with Kid Buu, over using SS3 in the fight caused him to pass out. The same thing would likely happen even with his god power and in a life or death fight the last thing you want his waste your stamina.

It's not really made clear that turning SSJ and unlocking the absorbed God power makes him stronger as though it's a power up. It seems more like it's the method needed to access the God power, this is how Goku figures out how to access his hidden absorbed power. The fact that he is stronger may only be because he has been training in that form and learning how to be stronger with his God power. The SSJ2/3 transformation may not actually make a bit of difference in this instance.

Also, if that's the case then Goku has no need for those forms because SSJGSSJ is more powerful then they were to begin with. Even when Goku used SSJ3 during the Buu arc, he commented just how much of a drawback it had. He has to buy time to have energy to use it in his fight with Buu... He only needed it to get a huge increase in power, so he was okay with the drawbacks. But he doesn't need it now.

Also, he may not have figured out how to use SSJ3 as a God yet. Honestly there's a lot of in universe explanations you can make up for this. Point is he uses SSJ to unlock God power and if he could use something else to be more powerful I'm sure he would have.

[Gianchio]

Came across this review today:

http://www.geekscape.net/geekscape-revi ... r-spoilers

They gave it 4.5/5. Seems SaiyaJedi was right people were overreacting way too much when the spoilers dropped couple weeks ago.

Good review overall, I would disagree with some of the complaints about the cannon of hell because this movie is based on the manga but while I can exept that Gohan has gotten weaker could it please not always be left so ambiguous. Just have a scene where he explains that because he hasent keep up with his training he lost his power up and now need to go super saiyan, thats all I ask. Fingers crossed for something like that in the extended cut (if we get one that is).

Also i am so looking forward to watching Freeza one hit KO a super saiyan, sorry Gohan but as a life long Freeza fan its something I've always wanted to see and your just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Same here

[bubibartra]

Hey, guys. I went and saw the movie in LA. The whole event was a blast. If you wanna check out my video where I ramble about it, the first couple minutes are spoiler free and I warn you very clearly before I go into 20 minutes of spoiler heavy talk.

https://youtu.be/lFbjVOodP-s

Hit me with your questions and I'll do my best to explain what I can.

I'm glad you had fun.

If it's not to much trouble could you describe Vegeta's fight in detail ?

I don't remember every little detail, but...

Spoiler:

...after Vegeta and Freeza talk some trash, Vegeta shows that he, too, can go Super Saiyan Blue. After that, Freeza fires a ton of blasts that Vegeta just casually walks through, before throwing a few punches and kicks that send Freeza flying back. Freeza, reverts back into his 4th form, falls to his knees, and starts cursing himself. Vegeta walks over to do a Big Bang Attack, but Freeza, hands already touching the ground, sends a Death Ball into lathe Earth and destroys the entire planet.

The fight was very reminiscent of Vegeta fighting #19.

Thanks for you time...

a question

due to the review posted on the web, some people thought that Vegeta refuses to fight with Gold Freezer at first because he is scared, this is because in the review is said that Vegeta refuses to fight with Friezer nervously. What you thinks about it?

[radrappy]

a question

due to the review posted on the web, some people thought that Vegeta refuses to fight with Gold Freezer at first because he is scared, this is because in the review is said that Vegeta refuses to fight with Friezer nervously. What you thinks about it?

I was also at the premiere and this is a really, really interesting question.

I would say that given how a certain key dramatic moment's success hinges on the audience being unsure about how Vegeta feels about Freeza's strength and his feelings toward Goku, it's almost the movie's job to mislead you or keep it ambiguous as to what exactly is going on in Vegeta's head throughout the story.

Basically, I'm not sure there's a clear answer to your question.

[shinmaru]

very,very good art. Freeza's leg and Goku's had are incredible.
You wouldn't even notice those problems in animation. It's just a few instances of not looking great when paused.

Now this...this is animation that looks bad in motion and paused:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awSlNF0uZ4U

His pain would be greater than ours, given what the animation did to his face...


That's not bad animation its drawn deliberately like that.
you want to see a bad animation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5U3QP8cj0Xk we have full episodes of them

Compare TV series to Movie?
Let's compare the animation of RoF to Spirited Away one. That's fair

Where do I compare series with movies? I'm just saying that Naruto scene is not bad animated it's done deliberately like that, it's a drawing style, and the DBZ is bad animated. Some things need time to get better like that CGI animation, but its funny to see some of you bitch days about every bad frame you see.

[Kendamu]

@ Kendamu

Could you confirm whether or not Golden Freeza is giving Goku a hard time befor his stamina wears out please?

Super Saiyan Blue Goku does have a pretty challenging time against Golden Freeza.

[Lord Frieza]

@ Kendamu

Could you confirm whether or not Golden Freeza is giving Goku a hard time befor his stamina wears out please?

Super Saiyan Blue Goku does have a pretty challenging time against Golden Freeza.

Thank you

[Analytical Delusion]

@ Kendamu

Could you confirm whether or not Golden Freeza is giving Goku a hard time befor his stamina wears out please?

Super Saiyan Blue Goku does have a pretty challenging time against Golden Freeza.

Hello, thanks for stopping by and answering some questions. Glad you enjoyed the screening, from your review video (particularly the martial arts choreography, which I'm very excited about)

Just wondering if you could take little bit about the Piccolo vs Shisame fight? Also, if there is an extended version, which portions of the film do you feel would most benefit from extra/longer scenes?

Thanks again for your perspective!

[ShadowWolf87]

Peeved though I may be with the aforementioned review's citation of filler and lack of awareness that Goku absorbed the God Ki in BoG... the one quote that got my attention was this.

"While I might have been afraid of a knee jerk reaction to eliminate all humor going in to Resurrection F, I was pleasantly surprised to see every character, from top to bottom, delivering laugh out loud moments even during the fights. And yes, even Frieza gets to have a few lighthearted moments."

My hype has spiked so high, you have no idea.

[Low Tone G]

I posted this earlier this week, but went back 20 pages and still couldn't find replies...

Is there a reason why Goku can't/won't use SSJ2 or 3 with God ki as well?
If he couldn't finish Freeza without going back in time, why not just go SSJ2 then? Is it like learning the forms all over again?

SSJGod Goku in BoG used 100% at the end.
Beerus used almost 70% right???

We still don't know the strength difference between SSJG and SSJGSSJ, but if he went SSJGSSJ2, then he should be at least 2x as strong, right?
[SSjx50 - SSj2x2 of SSj - SSj3x4 of SSj2]
Beerus would have to go "almost 140%". LOL!!

...Now I'd like to know the difference between Beerus and Whis to see if Goku would win using SSJGSSJ3 to fight Whis...

While we dont know the exact power difference the reason Goku dosent use ss2 or 3 is because they burn through a lot energy just to maintain them so in the long run they are not that useful. Just look at Goku's fight with Kid Buu, over using SS3 in the fight caused him to pass out. The same thing would likely happen even with his god power and in a life or death fight the last thing you want his waste your stamina.

It's not really made clear that turning SSJ and unlocking the absorbed God power makes him stronger as though it's a power up. It seems more like it's the method needed to access the God power, this is how Goku figures out how to access his hidden absorbed power. The fact that he is stronger may only be because he has been training in that form and learning how to be stronger with his God power. The SSJ2/3 transformation may not actually make a bit of difference in this instance.

Also, if that's the case then Goku has no need for those forms because SSJGSSJ is more powerful then they were to begin with. Even when Goku used SSJ3 during the Buu arc, he commented just how much of a drawback it had. He has to buy time to have energy to use it in his fight with Buu... He only needed it to get a huge increase in power, so he was okay with the drawbacks. But he doesn't need it now.

Also, he may not have figured out how to use SSJ3 as a God yet. Honestly there's a lot of in universe explanations you can make up for this. Point is he uses SSJ to unlock God power and if he could use something else to be more powerful I'm sure he would have.

Based on summary and the previous interviews of Toriyama I'd say that Goku has now God power in Base too, but he can not pull its full power out in Base. It's very sure that Base Goku is way beyond his SSJ3 from the beginning of BoG, so I'd call it Mystic Saiyan God state, only because it has a very big power(in fact Godly power) without any change of appearance. In order to unleash his peak his has to transform into a Super Saiyan, which is now Blue just because it uses God power as the fuel.(And maybe it's result of mastery and training, because in his Golden Super Saiyan form he was also able to use his full power in BoG). But I think the difference between Base Goku and SSJ Goku is very little, maybe 10-15%. Goku said in the film that he wants to go full power and won't hold back, but even in his Base form was too much for 4th from Freeza, in fact Freeza couldn't even touch him.

[Kendamu]

@ Kendamu

Could you confirm whether or not Golden Freeza is giving Goku a hard time befor his stamina wears out please?

Super Saiyan Blue Goku does have a pretty challenging time against Golden Freeza.

Hello, thanks for stopping by and answering some questions. Glad you enjoyed the screening, from your review video (particularly the martial arts choreography, which I'm very excited about)

Just wondering if you could take little bit about the Piccolo vs Shisame fight? Also, if there is an extended version, which portions of the film do you feel would most benefit from extra/longer scenes?

Thanks again for your perspective!

Sure!

Spoiler:

Piccolo had just fought more than his share of Freeza's 1,000 men and Shisame had not joined the fight yet. He stepped in and some blows were traded that showed that Piccolo was outmatched, but he wasn't seriously injured or anything. Gohan steps in, turns Super Saiyan (the only time he does so in the film), and takes down Shisame in one blow to the body.

By this point, it's been made clear that Gohan could've taken all 1,000 by himself, but he was being careful not to kill anyone so it made the fight harder for him.

[sintzu]

t's been made clear that Gohan could've taken all 1,000 by himself, but he was being careful not to kill anyone so it made the fight harder for him.

It's good to know there was a reason for him using his base/ssj instead of Mystic.

Thanks for all the info.

[Low Tone G]

t's been made clear that Gohan could've taken all 1,000 by himself, but he was being careful not to kill anyone so it made the fight harder for him.

It's good to know there was a reason for him using his base/ssj instead of Mystic.

Thanks for all the info.

That's a proof for you, that he didn't want to kill the soldiers? I've thought that he has decreased in power had lost his Mystic powers before the movie.

[Marco Polo]

That's a proof for you, that he didn't want to kill the soldiers? I've thought that he has decreased in power had lost his Mystic powers before the movie.

You thought right.

[ZombieVito]

Sure!

Spoiler:

Piccolo had just fought more than his share of Freeza's 1,000 men and Shisame had not joined the fight yet. He stepped in and some blows were traded that showed that Piccolo was outmatched, but he wasn't seriously injured or anything. Gohan steps in, turns Super Saiyan (the only time he does so in the film), and takes down Shisame in one blow to the body.

By this point, it's been made clear that Gohan could've taken all 1,000 by himself, but he was being careful not to kill anyone so it made the fight harder for him.

Spoiler:

How bad was Piccolo outmatched? It's amazing there was one soldier that was that strong.

[ShadowWolf87]

Sure!

Spoiler:

Piccolo had just fought more than his share of Freeza's 1,000 men and Shisame had not joined the fight yet. He stepped in and some blows were traded that showed that Piccolo was outmatched, but he wasn't seriously injured or anything. Gohan steps in, turns Super Saiyan (the only time he does so in the film), and takes down Shisame in one blow to the body.

By this point, it's been made clear that Gohan could've taken all 1,000 by himself, but he was being careful not to kill anyone so it made the fight harder for him.

Spoiler:

How bad was Piccolo outmatched? It's amazing there was one soldier that was that strong.

Spoiler:

You'd also have to account for Piccolo being a bit drained, I suppose.

Ah, hidden spoilers...

[Kendamu]

Regarding Gohan:

Spoiler:

Before the fight, he said something like, "I haven't exactly kept up on my training. I think I can still turn Super Saiyan, though." Then, when it was needed, he used it. Nothing was mentioned or shown one way or another as to how long he could stay Super Saiyan. It wasn't relevant to what was going on in the moment.

What we do know, through his actions and some dialog, is that Gohan is still naturally strong compared to the majority of Freeza's men, he's quite experienced in fighting, and he could become a Super Saiyan if he needs to. It's just that he's really rusty from not training due to him being a family man.

Regarding Piccolo:

Spoiler:

The idea that Piccolo fighting hundreds of guys, no matter how weak they were or how smart he fought, was still a huge factor in the fight. Shisame was fresh so he had the advantage from a stamina standpoint. Having someone who actually studied martial arts on the film probably had something to do with making multiple opponents and stamina a factor in this fight where it might not have been considered in previous stories.

[ekrolo2]

Came across this review today:

http://www.geekscape.net/geekscape-revi ... r-spoilers

They gave it 4.5/5. Seems SaiyaJedi was right people were overreacting way too much when the spoilers dropped couple weeks ago.

How does one review that basically just repeats everything we know from the summary mean people's "overreactions" were wrong? Hell, since when does any review ever negate some ones opinion on something?

[Ajay]

They gave it 4.5/5. Seems SaiyaJedi was right people were overreacting way too much when the spoilers dropped couple weeks ago.

How does one review that basically just repeats everything we know from the summary mean people's "overreactions" were wrong? Hell, since when does any review ever negate some ones opinion on something?

Because it backs up the fact that, unless you've seen the film, you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Seeing is far different than reading a very dry summary.