Is Kid Boo stronger than Super Boo?

[Kaboom]

Look man. At this point, after all the post up ahead of you and rebuttals to literally everything you've said that you just ignored, this is futile. I've seen you post, and nothing good can come from engaging in this argument with you, no offense. Especially considering you're just going to ignore what I've said, and especially considering you think Paikuhan can actually beat Ledgic.

This is a textbook case of "pot calling the kettle black" here. It's becoming evident that you're not here to discuss things or share ideas, but to just have your own self-proclaimed correct opinions parroted back at you. Not to even mention that all the while you're being rude, dismissive, and condescending towards your peers, which you've already been both verbally and systematically warned about barely a day ago.

It is not difficult to understand. If you want to continue posting here, or having access to the entirety of the Kanzenshuu domain, you will be polite and respectful to other members. That means not misrepresenting and mocking people's views or answers. It means not acting like someone is beneath your attention with "well it's no surprise you think <Thing A> since you're mistaken enough to think <Thing B>" garbage. It means not stamping your feet and chanting the same term (like "official") over and over because you think it'll magically shut everyone else up and get them to bow to your knowledge.

This is not the sort of typical Dragon Ball fan-community where such aggressive methods of "debating" are wanted or acceptable. This will be the last time you're verbally warned about it.

P.S. — "Rebuttal" is a noun. The verb you're looking for is "rebut."

[rereboy]

Nah, you KNOW you cannot rebuttal what I said.

In my opinion, I already did it with my posts. If you think differently, that's fine by me.

[Hitiro]

Thus, it's why we will go by the very next best translation - which happens to be OFFICIAL - which is VizBig's line. Which means Kid Boo > Buff Boo > Super Boo.

The people in charge of the translation for VizBig have to take many matters into consideration when translating lines. Because the Japanese language is very compact they have to translate lines and alter them to fit the speech bubbles. They must be concise. This is why we have the Japanese translated Strength Checker page and rely only on direct translations from the original source material. Because VizBig will make alterations just to make something fit which will lose some information that we wouldn't have gotten otherwise. The VizBig should never be taken over direct translations. Because they aren't Akira Toriyama.

Except feats in the manga, and statements from Elder Kai who is wiser than both Goku & Vegeta combined.

Elder Kai insist they fuse again, Elder Kai & Kibitoshin confirm the souls/absorptions tamed/weakened Boo.

Thus establishes that Kid Boo was beyond both Goku & Vegeta, and establishes Buff Boo is weaker than Kid Boo, or at the very least (if we go by Herms' inconclusive/vague line), equal to Buff Boo.

None of which is disputed.

Sorry, but the Rou Kaioshin is obviously going to choose the easier option to defeat Boo than allow a character similar in strength battle against an enemy who would clearly wipe out a planet for no reason other than he can. If Boo does launch an attack to destroy the Kaioshin realm then there is little that SSJ3 Goku could do to prevent it. Look at what happened with Freeza and SSJ Goku despite SSJ Goku clearly being stronger than him. If Freeza had succeeded then Goku would have died, regardless of him having enough of a gap in strength between himself and Pure Boo.

So of course Rou Kaioshin is going to insist on fusing. Let's also not forget that the Rou Kaioshin hasn't even seen Goku fight as a SSJ3. So he wouldn't know how strong he is either. But despite this, when they crush the Potara, the Rou Kaioshin doesn't think all hope is lost. So while it is stupid for them to try and fight Pure Boo considering the power gap is so small. He never fought they couldn't win without fusion. Obviously the best character to deal with a Boo who is this destructive and dangerous because they don't know what he'll pull is Vegetto. I mean he literally already tried to kill off Goku and Vegeta on Earth without so much as a fight.

Well VizBig supports this. Kibitoshin supports this also by fearing Kid Boo more than anyone else ever.

Thus, it is true that both kais weakened Boo. Restricted Super Boo. Without these influences, Kid Boo was more powerful.

Like I said above, this Boo is clearly different from any other one. There is no telling what he'll do. We see from his actions after he turns into Pure Boo that he is unpredictable. And this unpredictability is what the Kibitokai fears. Nothing is stopping Pure Boo from hopping to every planet in the universe blowing them up without even fighting anybody. So Kibitokai fearing Pure Boo doesn't have to have anything to do with his power.

What we do have is dialogue saying that Goku and Vegeta couldn't handle Evil Boo. And dialogue saying that Goku could handle Pure Boo. Even if you assume that Pure Boo was stronger than SSJ3 Goku. The fact is that the difference between the two Boo's is apparent in the dialogue. Goku believes that they have no chance against Evil Boo unless they fuse. But he believes at full power he can kill Pure Boo. So the difference between SSJ3 Goku and Pure Boo isn't huge which ever way you place these two characters. However, the difference between Evil Boo and SSJ3 Goku is huge, relative to their statements. The Evil Boo statement is clearly the more extreme method of dealing with the opponent.

Goku needed a plan to fight Kid Boo still. Not only thing, they dire need of fusion was still present against Kid Boo given that Elder Kai heavily insists they fuse again. As for Goku thinking he could kill Kid Boo by himself - AHAHA! - he tried and failed miserably. He lied/overestimated himself to look cool to Vegeta and due to his saiyan genes causing him to not think rationally. He got way overconfident.

Goku was confident his SSJ3 strength would be sufficient. He had no idea that the Ki drain on the transformation would be so severe in a living body. Again, of course Rou Kaioshin is going to want them to fuse into a warrior so powerful he wouldn't have trouble dispatching Boo. That is the safest option. With the point of Goku trying, he didn't fail miserably. Because he never got a chance to inact his plan. Your problem here is that you are treating Goku not being able to use his full power in a living body as an assertion that he is weaker. When that isn't the case. Let's set up some scenarios, shall we?

Let us do a hypothetical and assume that Vegetto needs SSJ to beat Boohan otherwise Boohan will destroy him. Vegetto turns SSJ and then proceeds to beat Boohan. Only for SSJ to inexplicably run out, for whatever reason, does that make SSJ Vegetto weaker than Boohan? No. It doesn't. Just because his power runs out does not mean he is weaker than that character in that form. We can say the same for SSJ3 Gotenks. Towards the end of the fight he was destroying Evil Boo and it was looking likely that SSJ3 Gotenks was going to win the fight. But what happens? He loses SSJ3. Does that mean that SSJ3 Gotenks is weaker than Evil Boo? No. These scenarios are exactly the same as the one posed above.

Both characters are clearly superior in power to their respective opponents. The only problem with these scenarios is that their transformations aren't maintained for long enough to finish the job. In the example with SSJ3 Gotenks it actually exists and is pretty much the same scenario. So why is it that people like yourself(Not saying you believe SSJ3 Gotenks is more powerful than Evil Boo, that is up to your own opinion I'm speaking about people who look at this scenario and think SSJ3 Gotenks is superior yet in the exact same scenario with SSJ3 Goku they don't.) look at this one way and the SSJ3 Goku vs Pure Boo another?

Like I said above, plurals of words don't translate, so it could merely be on about the Dai Kaioshin affecting Boo. We really can only confirm that Dai Kaioshin lowered Boo's power because the Kaioshin only said that. As for the South Kaioshin, he either did affect Boo or didn't. Unless we get some clarity from Akira Toriyama himself we'll never know because the line wasn't written to tell us if it was more than one person lowering his power. Hence why Herms put absorption rather than absorptions.

Yet VizBig confirms it to be plural with SOULS in their OFFICIAL translation. It takes precedence over Herms line here.

So VizBig takes precedence over Akira Toriyama's own word now? As I said above, VizBig have to conform the translations into compact and concise lines that try to stick as close to the original source material as they can. So whatever comes out of VizBig's translations have to to be taken with a grain of salt. Why else would we never take translations from them on this site? Because the source material is unfiltered and the closest to what the author was trying to tell us.

You're the one ignoring the statement that Goku and Vegeta can't beat Evil Boo but Goku said he could wipe out Pure Boo at full power as a SSJ3.

They tried this exact strategy and FAILED. Goku had nothing for Kid Boo as I already proved. See: lack of absorption, dancing around, tanking ALL of Goku's best attacks, etc.

Their own failing in this was that Goku didn't know how SSJ3 would affect a living body. His strategy never came to fruition because he never managed to get his full power to finish off Boo. Considering Goku says he's been trying to get his full power to finish Boo during the fight. Then no, Boo hasn't been tanking Goku's best attack's.

Except Goku specifically states he is going to go ALL OUT against Kid Boo. Thus, yes those TWO kamehameha's were indeed full powered ones - at least, the very first one launched at Kid Boo was because he had spent NO energy fighting and fired it 100% FRESH. Goku claiming if he gathered his energy for 1 minute, he'd be able to wipe Boo out is either a) Goku underestimating his SSJ3 abilities and/or referring to a special beam cannon type of attack where he is able to gather lots of ki that surpasses his nature max power level.

Clearly you didn't look at my comment below, Goku may just be talking about using his best transformation rather than his full power. Nothing changes the fact that Goku and Vegeta both tell us that Goku isn't at full power. There are several lines of dialogue that say this. One line from Goku does not counteract 5-10 lines from both Goku and Vegeta saying he isn't at full power. So no. I'm sorry.

Goku may just be talking about going all out in transformations. Because we have specific statements from him and Vegeta later in the fight saying that he wasn't using his full power. But at some point he had started to try and use his full power to finish it, not having the chance to during the fight. You can't ignore these statements in favour of a statement made before the fight even started just because it suits your opinion. All dialogue must be looked at.

Goku clearly overestimated the stamina drain while he is alive, nobody is arguing that. If Goku had actually gone all out from the beginning then this fight would have been over straight away. As the dialogue we have is never disproved. If he says he could do it at full power then we must logically assume it is true until it is proven otherwise. But Goku obviously thought he could have some fun before finishing the battle. Because that is the way Goku is, he loves to fight.

Mastered SSJ has no bearing on what SSJ2 Gohan did. Because SSJ2 is different from the mastered SSJ form. I don't think Goku was arrogant during the fight. He just didn't realise that the stamina drain of SSJ3 on a living body would be that extreme. Understandable considering the guy has no experience using the form in a living body. All of his time using the form had been spent while he was dead.

I remember reading somewhere, or maybe it's because of the games where Goku's KI is the one dropping fast, not his stamina. But wow I think you're right, SSj3 only drains stamina rapidly... this would mean Goku was at full power the entire time, at full KI, he just didn't have the stamina. Which would solidify his statement about going ALL OUT, and solidifying the fact that those 2 Kamehamehas were indeed at full ki/power. Yet Kid Boo was untouched.

This closes the case on Kid Boo > SSJ3 Goku.

Stamina directly affects Ki. The more a character fights, the more stamina they waste and Ki too. But this was a mistake on my part. The actual dialgoue says that SSJ3 eats excessive amounts of Ki in a living body.

Chapter: 513 (DBZ 319), P1.2
Context: after Goku drops out of Super Saiyan 3
Goku: “Da-dammit…When I was dead, it was no problem at all…It seems that in the end, becoming a Super Saiyan 3 with a living body eats up an excessive amount of ki…”

Even considering this, it would be ludicrous to think that Goku was going at full power when he launched his Kamehameha's. For the simple reason that even after he fired these Kamehameha's he still thought he could beat Pure Boo. Even the most arrogant of characters, after dishing out their best move, resign and admit they can't win. A prime example is Vegeta against Freeza when he launched that huge attack that Freeza launched up into space. So if Goku could only dish out what he was dishing out during this fight. He wouldn't have still thought the way he did.

Vegeta at that point had a change of heart and was rooting for Goku like if he was himself.

Vegeta just swallowed his pride and admitted Goku was superior to him. But he is a cynic. If he didn't believe Goku could deal the damage necessary or that Goku was at full power and the Kamehameha's weren't working then he would have said or done something earlier. He isn't going to throw himself at an enemy for a whole minute just to die straight after because he knows Goku's maximum does not do anything against him.

That was clearly an overestimation on their part because Goku had already fired a full-powered attack and nothing happened. They were most likely referring to a special beam cannon-like attack, they tried to gather the energy and Goku reverted to normal. O V E R E S T I M A T I O N on both their parts. Vegeta was just hyped up for SSJ3 and tried to give Goku morale. Hell, Vegeta even says Goku is more powerful than he thought - wtf? Vegeta saw a dead SSJ3 who is clearly superior to the live SSJ3, he knows SSJ3 is 4x Goku SSJ2, how would Goku become stronger in a day? He didn't train, nor fight to the death (no zenkai), how is Goku stronger than Vegeta thought?

Like I said, this is ludicrous. If these attacks were Goku's full power then Goku would have not thought he could beat Pure Boo at his maximum. He would have done what every other character in the whole story has done when facing an opponent that is clearly out of their league. They would have resigned their plan and come up with a better one. The fact that Goku still thought he could do something points to Goku not being able to fire full-powered attacks. And Obviously Goku is going to be more powerful right now than when he was dead. Goku wasn't exactly trying against Fat Boo. But Goku is actually attempting more here. For all we know Goku was fighting Fat Boo at 50%(2x SSJ2) while now he is fighting Pure Boo at 75%(3x SSJ2) trying to push himself to 100%.

Your whole argument here is purely on the fact that Goku must be weaker than Pure Boo because he is in a living body and can't maintain it.

So would you rather say SSJ3 Goku(dead) > Pure Boo? Because then Goku could be at full power and defeat Pure Boo. Because the only thing stated to be holding Goku back during this scenario is his living body. But Goku didn't know that prior to this fight as he has no experience SSJ3 while alive. Therefore Evil Boo > SSJ3 Goku(w/o negative effects > Pure Boo.

And yet Goku never mentions Kid Boo's ki dropping. The whole "we did it!" line could be interpreted as Goku seeing Kid Boo as a more manageable Boo due to NOT his size/height, but because of his INFANCY. He was a child for crying out loud. Look how Vegeta reacts, check his tone/facial expression when he expresses his reaction to Kid Boo. Goku's is the EXACT SAME.

Even if you choose not to see it that way, fine. Say Goku did feel Kid Boo's power lower than Buff Boo/Super Boo - that would be ONLY because Kid Boo was CLEARLY holding back.

Goku and Vegeta's goal was to lower Boo's power. The fact that Goku says "We did it!" clearly suggests they accomplished their goal. Their goal was not to shrink Boo. It was not to make him more child-like. It was to decrease his power. This is simple logic. If I say I want to decrease the weights on my benching equipment and me and my friend take off some weights. I would say "we did it!" because that was the goal I was aiming for. The size of Pure Boo has nothing to do with his power. While Vegeta may be openly mocking Pure Boo, that means nothing in the context of what Goku was saying.

And if Pure Boo was really holding back, Goku and Vegeta would have known. They can sense Ki. They know when someone is holding back their power.

Kid Boo launched a weak ki blast that Vegeta was able to easily react to & deflect while in SSJ1 (not even a full powered SSJ1 ki blast). If Kid Boo decided to launch a blast at Earth while not holding back a lot, well.. we saw what happened.

That literally means nothing. You can fire a Ki blast at full power and it still be moderately weak. Because it wouldn't be a charged Ki blast. All that says is Pure Boo launched a effortless Ki blast. Nobody noted a power increase in Boo either.

Kid Boo shows up on the Kai planet and FALLS ASLEEP, IN TOTAL DISREGARD OF THE WARRIORS.

Well, yeah. He was born all of a few minutes ago. And unless he gained knowledge from Evil Boo then as far as he is aware SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta are the strongest they can become. Even failing that and he knew that Goku could become SSJ3. The only time SSJ3 Goku thought a Boo he wasn't even trying. So of course a 75% SSJ3 Goku is going to be more impressive than a 50% SSJ3 Goku, for example.

Kid Boo was having fun fighting Goku (who went ALL OUT) and was virtually unscathed during their fight, despite eating Goku's most fiercest attacks (2 full powered kamehameha's). After he respawns from tanking the kamehameha, he starts to dance and have the time of his life.

There is no clarification as to what Goku meant by all out. He could have meant his best transformation or his full power. But considering there are 5-10 lines of Goku and Vegeta saying Goku wasn't at full power then the former is more likely true.

Kid Boo without absolutely any influence within him PUNCHES Mr Satan square in the face and (the H-word) not only lives, but isn't even KO'd or hardly freakin scratched.

Holding back with a punch does not mean Ki suppression. It can mean it, but it doesn't necessarily have to. I mean look at Superman, he can't suppress his Ki like the Z-senshi, yet he manages to go around looking like a normal person. Up until the Saiyan arc Goku and the gang were strong enough to kill people with their tongues(Look at tao pai pai). Goku could kick walls down with no effort as a child. They had no ability to suppress Ki back then. All they could do was reign their punches and kicks.

When facing Goku SSj3, had Goku been a lick superior, Kid Boo would have resorted to ABSORPTION, AS HE ALWAYS DOES. In order to fight Goku more comfortably, he would have either absorbed Vegeta who we KNOW would not have put up a fight due to the massive difference in power levels (Kid Boo was too strong), or simply attempted to absorb Goku himself. HE DIDN'T DO THIS. THEREFORE GOKU WAS NOT A THREAT TO KID BOO AT ALL.

It never got to the point that Pure Boo was in danger enough to do it. Evil Boo was clearly out classed by Gohan and Evil Boo knew that, yet he still thought Gohan and chose to absorb after that. We also don't know if Pure Boo retains how he did the absorptions before. It could have been instinctual because Pure Boo is very animal like in nature. It could have been a defence mechanism against the Kaioshin. But if you are honestly going to argue absorption. Why didn't he just absorb the characters when the Genki Dama was being made? He saw it happening, he knew the Genki Dama was a threat, that is why he attacked Goku. He could have easily absorbed Vegeta and/or Boo. He could have sent a bunch of Goop over to Goku and absorbed him.

This means Goku overestimated himself and underestimated Kid Boo in order to look cool to Vegeta.

Goku overestimated sustaining SSJ3. Not it's power. He and Vegeta never said he wasn't powerful enough. Had he been able to sustain the form then Goku would have won. Unless proven otherwise.

This is all proven fact straight from the manga. Undisputable.

The fact is that Goku only thought it was necessary to fuse with Evil Boo while he didn't with Pure Boo. Even if Pure Boo is superior to SSJ3 Goku, it isn't by much.

So that establishes Goku's statements about Kid Boo as NULL. VOID. INVALID. Stop using them to underpower Kid Boo just because both Goku AND Vegeta overestimated the situation and their abilities while underestimating Kid Boo.

Your only "facts" about this are all your own interpretations. It is a fact that Goku said he can't win against Evil Boo. It is a fact that Goku said he could win against Pure Boo using his full power. Your opinion is entirely based upon things that are either not stated or never proved.

It is stated OFFICIALLY that Sothern Kai-absorbed Boo (Buff Boo) is stronger than Super Boo. It is never noted that Southern kai increased/decreased Kid Boo's power back in the day. Thus, by default, Kid Boo is equal to Southern Kai-absorbed Boo (Buff Boo).

Goku says they achieved their goal. Their goal was to decrease Boo's power so they could fight him. Hence why he said "We did it!" an affirmation that they achieved their goal. That completely suggests that S. Kaioshin Boo > Evil Boo > Pure Boo.

[Darkprince410]

When later telling Vegeta that he could have beaten Fat Boo, that was Goku clearly attempted to look cool in front of Vegeta as he later admits.

So, since you're a critical thinker, which was more likely the case - BASE Goku (most rational & humble) lying to Piccolo, or SSJ Goku (definitely less rational and humble than Base Goku) who was stated to have been showing off to Vegeta in order to impress him lying to Vegeta?

Also, Goku had zero reason to lie to Piccolo IN PRIVATE. The kids already knew Goku was leaving to heaven forever, they knew Vegeta was dead, and Gohan was "dead" - they were earth's only hope - regardless of what Goku's ability to beat Fat Boo or not. Piccolo didn't need to tell them "not even Goku could have killed Boo", so Goku "lying" makes no sense. Not only that, Fat Boo was now even more rampant and dangerous than ever without Babidi, and was going on a rampage killing the population. NOT only that, Piccolo knew that even if Goku killed Boo, the Kid NEEDED to learn fusion anyhow for the future.

All of this already instilled the heavy dread on Piccolo and the kids to rely on the fusion and give it their 1100%.

So Goku definitely for sure didn't lie to Piccolo when he said he couldn't beat Fat Boo.

Meanwhile, once again, Goku during that entire exchange with Vegeta on Kai's planet prior to taking a break after fighting Kid Boo for a while was stated to be showing off to impress Vegeta.

Kid Boo > Fat Boo > SSJ3 Goku

Given that there's no legitimate indication whatsoever that Ssj transformations suddenly make them more arrogant than in their normal forms, I'm going to go with the simpler, more reasonable interpretation of the events. Toriyama didn't write this to be some deeply intricate storyline requiring a good deal of analysis behind it. It's far simpler to just say "Oh, Goku stated later that he could have done something that he said he couldn't before. He must have been lying earlier" rather than "Oh, Goku was in his Super Saiya-jin form when he said he could have done something, but was in his base form when he said that he couldn't. Super Saiya-jin transformations cause arrogance that clouds judgment and causes them to say things that simply aren't true, so obviously Goku was lying when he said that in his Ssj form."

It just seems like you're trying to make the story more complex than it was written just to suit your view.

They chose to pluralize "souls" when the word soul wasn't even used in the original text whatsoever for what Rou Kaioushin said.

And what is it that the original one said? Literally nothing, because it is vague and inconclusive (absorption[s]). Thus the VizBig line takes precedence in this case.

And the VizBig lines says BOTH souls tamed/weakened Boo, thus Kid > Buff Boo > Super Boo

Thus, Kid Boo > Buff Boo > Super Boo > Fat Boo > SSJ3 Goku

Except that Rou Kaioushin is the one in Viz's translation to be the one saying "souls", when in the original he never mentions that at all. Kibitoshin is the one that brought up the absorption[s} line, thus Viz gave Rou Kaioushin a line that he simply didn't have in the original.

All he said in the original was that Buu was that he was "completed", and then went on to specify that he meant that Buu had returned to his original form. At no point is the word soul (or souls, for that matter) shown in Rou's dialogue, which means they added that in without any context.

No context, are you serious right now lol. The entire context was that Kibito was explaining Boo's history. Which including absorbing souls.

In both Viz's translation and the original, it's specifically stated though that Buu was still pure evil prior to absorbing Dai Kaioushin, so absorbing South Kaioushin didn't change his nature in a negative way the way that Dai Kaioushin did. Since Kibitoshin clearly states that only the Dai Kaioushin affected him in a way other than normal, then that means that South Kaioushin made him stronger after absorbing him, thus when he changed from South Kaioushin Buu to Pure Buu, he would have grown weaker.

[Confidence Matters]

Skinny Boo absorbing/eating Good Boo resulted in Super Boo.Nothing hints at genki/yuuki shooting up for Super/Skinny Boo for eating Good Boo.

Since the evil now outweighed the good in Fat Boo's heart, his Shouki shot up past Fat Boo's shouki, thus Super Boo's battle power shot up passed Fat Boo's battle power.

But it was still weaker than Buff Boo.

Buff Boo > Super Boo > Fat Boo.

Anyone have any objections to this?

Please say so.

Now, regarding Kid Boo's shouki, since he is PURE of character/heart, pure 100% evil, he has the highest Shouki of all the Boo's that ever existed. No other Boo is eviler than Kid Boo, thus no other Boo's Shouki is higher than Kid Boo's.

Also, it is never noted or stated anywhere that South Kaioshin affected Kid Boo in anyway other than physique. By default, Kid Boo = Buff Boo.


...Even though logically, since South Kaioshin is a KAI, it is only logical to believe that South Kaioshin lowered Kid Boo's Shouki (however, clearly not as much as Dai Kaioshin did since Dai Kai's changed Boo's personality much, much more). But that's speculation.

Thus would put Kid Boo = Buff Boo >Super Boo > Skinny Boo > Fat Boo > SSj3 Goku

[Darkprince410]

...Even though logically, since South Kaioshin is a KAI, it is only logical to believe that South Kaioshin lowered Kid Boo's Shouki (however, clearly not as much as Dai Kaioshin did since Dai Kai's changed Boo's personality much, much more). But that's speculation.

Kibitoshin outright stated that it was only Dai Kaioushin that changed him from his pure evil nature, thus the South Kaioushin didn't affect him negatively at all. Given that every time he's absorbed someone, it's made him stronger (with Dai Kaioushin being the only established exception), South Kaioushin made him stronger as well.

[singsing]

This argument is a prime example of occam's razor. It's safer to assume that the theory with the least amount of assumptions and theories is correct.

[rereboy]

Shouki doesn't translate into being evil.

[Confidence Matters]

Given that there's no legitimate indication whatsoever that Ssj transformations suddenly make them more arrogant than in their normal forms,

Oh dear. Yall just gonna let this one slide? lol

In both Viz's translation and the original, it's specifically stated though that Buu was still pure evil prior to absorbing Dai Kaioushin, so absorbing South Kaioushin didn't change his nature in a negative way the way that Dai Kaioushin did.

So this would make Buff Boo & Kid Boo the same.

Since Kibitoshin clearly states that only the Dai Kaioushin affected him in a way other than normal,

No he doesn't.

...Even though logically, since South Kaioshin is a KAI, it is only logical to believe that South Kaioshin lowered Kid Boo's Shouki (however, clearly not as much as Dai Kaioshin did since Dai Kai's changed Boo's personality much, much more). But that's speculation.

Kibitoshin outright stated that it was only Dai Kaioushin that changed him from his pure evil nature, thus the South Kaioushin didn't affect him negatively at all. Given that every time he's absorbed someone, it's made him stronger (with Dai Kaioushin being the only established exception), South Kaioushin made him stronger as well.

Southern Kaioshin wasn't stated anywhere to increase nor decrease Kid Boo's power. Please cite this.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

The fact that he powered-up as he entered into that particular form........

[Confidence Matters]

The fact that he powered-up as he entered into that particular form........

He GAINED strength from going from Super Boo to Buff Boo.

Nothing ever stated Kid Boo became stronger upon turning into Buff Boo.

[Hitiro]

In both Viz's translation and the original, it's specifically stated though that Buu was still pure evil prior to absorbing Dai Kaioushin, so absorbing South Kaioushin didn't change his nature in a negative way the way that Dai Kaioushin did.

So this would make Buff Boo & Kid Boo the same.

Going by what every other absorption did to him. I hardly think that this absorption did anything other than what happened a majority of the time, which was increase power. And if the South Kaioshin Boo did make him weaker. Why absorb again? It makes much more sense that the absorption was a positive if he did it again.

Since Kibitoshin clearly states that only the Dai Kaioushin affected him in a way other than normal,

No he doesn't.

He pretty much does. The Kibitokai says that the Dai Kaioshin is the only character to affect him differently from the others in it's own sentence.

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “
Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “
Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “
Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”
Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”

This line confirms that the Dai Kaioshin affected him differently from the other absorptions.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

He GAINED strength from going from Super Boo to Buff Boo.

I know.

Nothing ever stated Kid Boo became stronger upon turning into Buff Boo.

You're right. The exact opposite is implied. After declining the potara: "But [Boo] ain’t merged anymore either…“

So Kid Boo is weaker than before.

[Confidence Matters]

The Kibitokai says that the Dai Kaioshin is the only character to affect him differently from the others in it's own sentence.

Chapter: 508 (DBZ 314), P4.2-7
Kaioshin: “In m…my era there were five Kaioshins…until they were defeated by the Majin Boo that the wizard Babidi created…I was the youngest and most powerless one, but I somehow survived, with only heavy injuries…But the other four fell to Boo…First, two were killed…the North Kaioshin and the West Kaioshin….And then the South Kaioshin, the burliest and strongest one, was…somehow absorbed by Boo….. “

Elder Kaioshin: …And he became that huge Boo from before? “

Kaioshin: “…Yes…Next to be absorbed was the fat but kind and gentle Dai-Kaioshin….The Majin Boo that Bibidi created was evil itself, a failed creation that even Bibidi himself couldn’t handle, but by absorbing the Dai-Kaioshin, he somehow become controllable…. “

Elder Kaioshin: “…So he was finally completed…Which is to say…that this current…small Majin Boo…is the initial…mo…most troublesome one…”

Kaioshin: “….Yes…the heart which he gained by going so far as to lower his power through absorption…has returned once again to the way it was…he has no self-control whatsoever…he has become evil itself…”

This line confirms that the Dai Kaioshin affected him differently from the other absorptions.

This line proves 1) Only the Dai Kaioshin affected Kid Boo period, and 2) South Kaioshin had no effect on Kid Boo.

Which would make Kid Boo equal to Buff Boo.

Which means Kid Boo > Buff Boo > Super Boo

[Hitiro]

This line proves 1) Only the Dai Kaioshin affected Kid Boo period, and 2) South Kaioshin had no effect on Kid Boo.

Which would make Kid Boo equal to Buff Boo.

Which means Kid Boo > Buff Boo > Super Boo

Why absorb a second time then? If it provided no benefit then Boo doesn't need to do it. And why is it that S. Kaioshin is the only character not to do something to Boo? When we have 5 examples of him increasing his power compared to the 1 which weakened him.

You realise by the odds of probability that if absorbing makes him stronger a majority of the time then that is the most likely case, right?

[Confidence Matters]

I know.

Nothing ever stated Kid Boo became stronger upon turning into Buff Boo.

You're right. The exact opposite is implied. After declining the potara: "But [Boo] ain’t merged anymore either…“

Which means just that. Kid Boo wasn't merged anymore, and given that Dai Kaioshin weakened Boo when he was merged with him (see Good Boo vs. Kid Boo), your reasoning is beyond broken.

[Confidence Matters]

Why absorb a second time then? If it provided no benefit then Boo doesn't need to do it.

Because clearly absorbing an opponent is better than dying to them.

And why is it that S. Kaioshin is the only character not to do something to Boo?

Ask Akira, not me bruh.

When we have 5 examples of him increasing his power compared to the 1 which weakened him.

Kais are completely different than the warriors Boo later absorbed on Earth.

S. Kaioshin is only 1 of 2 cases. Fact remains S. Kaishin was never noted to increase nor decrease Kid Boo's power.Only Dai Kaioshin was stated to affect Boo.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

No, it really isn't. Goku (while inside of Boo) specifically says their only chance at defeating Boo without fusion is if they revert him to Fat Boo. We also have Goku's later statement on Fat Boo. The story makes it clear that Fat Boo isn't an issue for Goku, so my logic is just fine. Goku would rather fuse permanently than deal with Super Boo, and would rather fight Kid Boo alone because he doesn't feel fusion is necessary. None of that paints Kid Boo as the stronger of the two. At all.

It's pretty simple. Boo's power increases when he becomes the huge Kaioshin Boo...only to decrease when his following transformation is complete. All of this is as straight-forward as it possibly can be.

[Hitiro]

Why absorb a second time then? If it provided no benefit then Boo doesn't need to do it.

Because clearly absorbing an opponent is better than dying to them.

If Mr. Boo = Dai Kaioshin. Pure Boo would win easily. So you're going to tell me that Dai Kaioshin is more powerful than Mr. Boo who was losing to Pure Boo now? Therefore he has no reason to absorb Dai Kaioshin because Pure Boo would be strong enough to deal with him. Unless the S. Kaioshin provided a boost and Pure Boo thought "I could use this." only then would it make sense to absorb the Dai Kaioshin.

And why is it that S. Kaioshin is the only character not to do something to Boo?

Ask Akira, not me bruh.

I'm asking you because it's your theory. These aren't facts.

When we have 5 examples of him increasing his power compared to the 1 which weakened him.

Kais are completely different than the warriors Boo later absorbed on Earth.

S. Kaioshin is only 1 of 2 cases. Fact remains S. Kaishin was never noted to increase nor decrease Kid Boo's power.Only Dai Kaioshin was stated to affect Boo.

Just because an increase or decrease wasn't noted doesn't mean one didn't happen. You just choose to side with the option that his power didn't increase or decrease to fit and validate your opinion.

[Darkprince410]

S. Kaioshin is only 1 of 2 cases. Fact remains S. Kaishin was never noted to increase nor decrease Kid Boo's power.Only Dai Kaioshin was stated to affect Boo.

Dai Kaioushin was the only one ever stated to affect him negatively. Since nothing is said that indicates that South Kaioushin affected him in any way other than the usual, then you can't simply assume that he didn't affect him at all. Toriyama added all that in specifically to show that the Dai Kaioushin had affected Buu in a negative way, so why would he not have anything mentioning that South Kaioushin affected him differently than usual too?