So what exactly is this SSGSS?

[Haseowolf]

I'm not sure if I missed it during this thread, but was there any information given about why, when Goku shows off this form, why he isn't leaner like the original Super Saiyan God form?

[Lord Beerus]

I'm not sure if I missed it during this thread, but was there any information given about why, when Goku shows off this form, why he isn't leaner like the original Super Saiyan God form?

Because the new form is effectively Goku as a SSJ fusing the power of SSJ God into his own transformation.

[AvatarReiko]

In theory, could go blue SSJ2 with god power. If so, why didn't he just used it become stronger.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

In theory, could go blue SSJ2 with god power. If so, why didn't he just used it become stronger.

Going SS2 and 3 would waste energy, and it would be wise to just master the Super Saiyan completely, which it seems he has done.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

In theory, could go blue SSJ2 with god power. If so, why didn't he just used it become stronger.

SS no longer gives a massive boost, so the same should probably go for SS2 & SS3, and unlike SS, they consume ki. So, SS is better than SS2 & SS3 now, like back in the Cell arc, where SSFP was better than SSG2 & SSG3.

Toriyama confirms that SS2/3 are useless after absorbing SSGod in an interview as well.

Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more.

[Bullza]

So what if he attempted Kaioken in the form? Or does Kaioken not work with Super Saiyan at all?

[johnboy1]

So what if he attempted Kaioken in the form? Or does Kaioken not work with Super Saiyan at all?

Apparently it does, as seen in the Otherworld Tournament. However, it was only used once, and for a very brief time, so maybe the combined stress of Super Saiyan and Kaioken is too much to sustain.

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Now I want to see Goku try and stack Super Saiyan God, Super Saiyan, Kaioken, and his giant ape form simultaneously.

[Blackstripe]

Personally, when it comes to naming the new Blue Super Saiyan form, I prefer "Full Power Super Saiyan God" (FPSSG).

Regarding where it is relative to normal SSG, Beerus, Whis and Frieza, I think it works like this:

Base Goku - 1

FPSSG - 7.5

4th Form Frieza - 0.75

Golden Frieza - 7.5 (but drops to perhaps below 6 or even 5 when he becomes fatigued)

Beerus - 10

Whis - 15

I believe base Goku is weaker than when he turned into a SSG, since in Battle of Gods, he did more poorly until he went SSJ, and then SSG again. While he's obviously light years stronger than his original base and even SSJ3 forms, turning FPSSG still grants him a very significant power increase. That's my theory, anyhow.

[Low Tone G]

Personally, when it comes to naming the new Blue Super Saiyan form, I prefer "Full Power Super Saiyan God" (FPSSG).

Regarding where it is relative to normal SSG, Beerus, Whis and Freeza, I think it works like this:

Base Goku - 1

FPSSG - 7.5

4th Form Freeza - 0.75

Golden Freeza - 7.5 (but drops to perhaps below 6 or even 5 when he becomes fatigued)

Beerus - 10

Whis - 15

I believe base Goku is weaker than when he turned into a SSG, since in Battle of Gods, he did more poorly until he went SSJ, and then SSG again. While he's obviously light years stronger than his original base and even SSJ3 forms, turning FPSSG still grants him a very significant power increase. That's my theory, anyhow.

I sorta agree with these rakings. But Base Goku is stronger than 1. He did hold back against 4th form Freeza: I think he is 6 at full power is base(in the Toyotaro's manga adaptation Goku was shown to be have an image of Saiyan God himself above his head when he attacked Whis during the training being just is base). Golden Freeza is implied to had a power in beginning to slightly above SSGSS Goku.

Base Goku(full power): 6
Base Goku holding back(for fun): 1-2
SSGSS Goku: 7.5
4th form Freeza: 0.8
Golden Freeza: 7-8 full power(and decreasing)
Base Vegeta: 5.5
SSGSS Vegeta: 7
Beerus: 10
Whis: 15 (16 if he had some benefits from training with his new pupils)

[Hitiro]

I don't really agree with the naming convention of this form. Why not just call it SBGSSJ(Saiyan Beyond God SSJ because in DB Heroes SBG represents base Goku after absorbing the Godly Ki.)? Because the form is just regular SSJ using godly powers. Not really a new transformation just an upgrade of a pre-existing form. It's like in the story Goku and Gohan upgrade the SSJ form to be the best fighting form for the Cell Saga. They didn't rename it. At least with SBGSSJ it is just a Saiyan who has absorbed the SSJGod power into his regular form using SSJ. Not a SSJGod using SSJ which sounds wacky and incorrect.

[Blackstripe]

Well, I went with Full Power Super Saiyan God because it harkens back to when he mastered Super Saiyan (FPSSJ, remember?) and this situation feels quite similar. Plus, you don't have to repeat any words this way.

[Hitiro]

Well, I went with Full Power Super Saiyan God because it harkens back to when he mastered Super Saiyan (FPSSJ, remember?) and this situation feels quite similar. Plus, you don't have to repeat any words this way.

Well, I would imagine people would still find that confusing. Because it isn't a mastery of SSJGod. It is an upgrade to the regular SSJ form. If you want it without redundancy then shouldn't it be something like GPSSJ(God Power SSJ)? SSJGSSJ/SSGSS and FPSSJG/FPSSG are both terrible names for it considering it has nothing to do with the original SSJG/SSG form.

[Blackstripe]

Personally, when it comes to naming the new Blue Super Saiyan form, I prefer "Full Power Super Saiyan God" (FPSSG).

Regarding where it is relative to normal SSG, Beerus, Whis and Freeza, I think it works like this:

Base Goku - 1

FPSSG - 7.5

4th Form Freeza - 0.75

Golden Freeza - 7.5 (but drops to perhaps below 6 or even 5 when he becomes fatigued)

Beerus - 10

Whis - 15

I believe base Goku is weaker than when he turned into a SSG, since in Battle of Gods, he did more poorly until he went SSJ, and then SSG again. While he's obviously light years stronger than his original base and even SSJ3 forms, turning FPSSG still grants him a very significant power increase. That's my theory, anyhow.

I sorta agree with these rakings. But Base Goku is stronger than 1. He did hold back against 4th form Freeza: I think he is 6 at full power is base(in the Toyotaro's manga adaptation Goku was shown to be have an image of Saiyan God himself above his head when he attacked Whis during the training being just is base). Golden Freeza is implied to had a power in beginning to slightly above SSGSS Goku.

Base Goku(full power): 6
Base Goku holding back(for fun): 1-2
SSGSS Goku: 7.5
4th form Freeza: 0.8
Golden Freeza: 7-8 full power(and decreasing)
Base Vegeta: 5.5
SSGSS Vegeta: 7
Beerus: 10
Whis: 15 (16 if he had some benefits from training with his new pupils)

Well, if you like, but I disagree after reading the third chapter of the Frieza manga special. It seems base Goku wasn't THAT much stronger than 4th Form Frieza. You can say he was holding back, but we see him powering up before they go at it, so it doesn't seem to be the case.

That's just my opinion, though.

[Duo]

Well, if you like, but I disagree after reading the third chapter of the Freeza manga special. It seems base Goku wasn't THAT much stronger than 4th Form Freeza. You can say he was holding back, but we see him powering up before they go at it, so it doesn't seem to be the case.

That's just my opinion, though.

That still leaves it open to interpretation. Does Goku say he's going to fight all out? I mean, Cell powers up to fight Goku, but we see later he had not been using all of his power.

Not that it matters, just wanted to toss that in.

[Doctor.]

So what if he attempted Kaioken in the form? Or does Kaioken not work with Super Saiyan at all?

I think it's incompatible with Godly Ki. It explains why Kaio, the creator of the technique, never mastered it.

[Bullza]

It was also never used with Super Saiyan (except in the filler), perhaps it doesn't work with that.

[Doctor.]

Yes, but I was more or less trying to come up with an explanation as to why Goku doesn't use Kaioken in his new powered-up base form.

[buutenks]

ssj with ssg is what the name implies.Its super saiyan god in ssj form.

Basically goku needs to go ssj to get the full power of the ss god form,and doing so turns his aura and hair blue.

Most likely blue ssj god=red ssj god but due to the training to master it he most likely got stronger than when he first fought beerus,so id rank it a bit above the red one of that time.

So while red was like 6.5(whis stated beerus used nearly 70% of his power,so its safe to assume goku was not a dead 6 but more like 6.5),blue would be 7.5.

Golden freeza an 8 before he dropped below and vegeta somewhere close to goku maybe 7 or so.

Either way all of them would still lose to beerus.

So beerus still holds the number 2 spot on strongest dbz char.

[Hitiro]

ssj with ssg is what the name implies.Its super saiyan god in ssj form.

Basically goku needs to go ssj to get the full power of the ss god form,and doing so turns his aura and hair blue.

Most likely blue ssj god=red ssj god but due to the training to master it he most likely got stronger than when he first fought beerus,so id rank it a bit above the red one of that time.

So while red was like 6.5(whis stated beerus used nearly 70% of his power,so its safe to assume goku was not a dead 6 but more like 6.5),blue would be 7.5.

Golden freeza an 8 before he dropped below and vegeta somewhere close to goku maybe 7 or so.

Either way all of them would still lose to beerus.

So beerus still holds the number 2 spot on strongest dbz char.

The name implies that the original form still has bearing on what Goku is doing. Which isn't the case. Goku has already absorbed the Godly Ki into his base form so SSJGod was nothing more than a power-up. So seeing as the upgrade for SSJ amplifies his Godly Ki naturally it would make sense to say something more like GPSSJ where his SSJ has god power.

[Lord Beerus]

Yes, but I was more or less trying to come up with an explanation as to why Goku doesn't use Kaioken in his new powered-up base form.

Because it would lead to him burning through his ki and losing a lot of stamina and energy.