Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[dbzfan7]

Goku is caught off guard by a stray bullet and he doesn't get hurt severely.

The amount of energy in a bullet isn't strong enough to even hurt Goku when he is caught off guard. It's like do you get hurt if people throw a balloon at you or a rock. You wouldn't even notice the balloon but you will notice a rock.

Which makes Sorbet's ring ridiculously powerful if it can harm Goku this badly. Just like how a Shotgun blast off guard is not strong enough to hurt anyone, then neither is a sneak attack unless it has enough force to do so. His ring has to have enough force to hurt Goku, or just like a shotgun it'd have no effect.

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Goku is caught off guard by a stray bullet and he doesn't get hurt severely.

The amount of energy in a bullet isn't strong enough to even hurt Goku when he is caught off guard. It's like do you get hurt if people throw a balloon at you or a rock. You wouldn't even notice the balloon but you will notice a rock.

Which makes Sorbet's ring ridiculously powerful if it can harm Goku this badly. Just like how a Shotgun blast off guard is not strong enough to hurt anyone, then neither is a sneak attack unless it has enough force to do so.

It's stronger than a normal grunt attack but still not stronger than a Kamehameha from Krillin. If the movie shows that he uses it only once, I could argue that the shot is a one time thing that needs to be charge for quite a long time.

[Saiyan007]

In the movie summary iirc he was walking up to kill him then Sorbet shot him with his ring so what i want to know is why would Goku lower his power lvl by such a huge factor when he's going to kill Freeza.

Finally, Goku launches a massive Kamehameha at Freeza, which he attempts to repel with a blast of his own. It is no use, however; the tyrant is utterly defeated. As Goku stands above him, Freeza hauls himself up on the water’s edge, erupting in rage and humiliation… followed by a smirk. Just then, a bolt of energy comes from behind Freeza and pierces Goku straight through the heart: it was Sorbet with his ring. Freeza then takes out his pent-up rage on Goku, kicking and stomping on his chest repeatedly.

Goku is standing right above Freeza smirking and Goku knows at this point he has won BUT Freeza is still>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zarbon so it literally makes absolutely no sense Goku lowered his lvl down by that much

Sorbet's ring is just that strong

It didn't state anywhere that Goku was going to finish off Freeza.

That's the point of the training scene. It shows that Goku does exactly that. Whis already said that to him.

Except that it's Whis who is hurting Goku becuase he's strong enough to do so

We know Sorbet isn't even stronger than Zarbon there is a huge difference between Goku and Zarbon

It's not like Goku was even in his base form at the time he was still a God

The training scene points out that Gokh lets his guard down to much sure but the point people seem to be missing is that Whis is the one who jabs Goku,Whis the strongest person in the universe.

So do you think King Piccolo could do the same to Beerus with a sneak attack to Beerus?

Nope.All it would accomplish is some broken Namekian bones followed by a dead Namekian

[dbzfan7]

The amount of energy in a bullet isn't strong enough to even hurt Goku when he is caught off guard. It's like do you get hurt if people throw a balloon at you or a rock. You wouldn't even notice the balloon but you will notice a rock.

Which makes Sorbet's ring ridiculously powerful if it can harm Goku this badly. Just like how a Shotgun blast off guard is not strong enough to hurt anyone, then neither is a sneak attack unless it has enough force to do so.

It's stronger than a normal grunt attack but still not stronger than a Kamehameha from Krillin. If the movie shows that he uses it only once, I could argue that the shot is a one time thing that needs to be charge for quite a long time.

So you're telling me a Full Power Dodonpa from Tao Pai Pai or FP Kamehameha from Krillin can down even Freeza and the gods, so long as they are off guard? I find that idea silly.

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It didn't state anywhere that Goku was going to finish off Freeza.

That's the point of the training scene. It shows that Goku does exactly that. Whis already said that to him.

Except that it's Whis who is hurting Goku becuase he's strong enough to do so

We know Sorbet isn't even stronger than Zarbon there is a huge difference between Goku and Zarbon

It's not like Goku was even in his base form at the time he was still a God

The training scene points out that Gokh lets his guard down to much sure but the point people seem to be missing is that Whis is the one who jabs Goku,Whis the strongest person in the universe.

So do you think King Piccolo could do the same to Beerus with a sneak attack to Beerus?

Nope.All it would accomplish is some broken Namekian bones followed by a dead Namekian

The same way that Krillin's Kienzan could harm Freeza where it should be impossible because there should be a big enough gap that would make that impossible.

[Marco Polo]

Sorbet targeted Goku's heart which is his weak point.

So you're telling me a Full Power Dodonpa from Tao Pai Pai or FP Kamehameha from Krillin can down even Freeza and the gods, so long as they are off guard? I find that idea silly.

No, because Freeza and the gods never 100% let down their guard so much, unlike Goku, whose tendency to do that is pointed out by Whis.

[Saiyan007]

It didn't state anywhere that Goku was going to finish off Freeza.

That's the point of the training scene. It shows that Goku does exactly that. Whis already said that to him.

Except that it's Whis who is hurting Goku becuase he's strong enough to do so

We know Sorbet isn't even stronger than Zarbon there is a huge difference between Goku and Zarbon

It's not like Goku was even in his base form at the time he was still a God

The training scene points out that Gokh lets his guard down to much sure but the point people seem to be missing is that Whis is the one who jabs Goku,Whis the strongest person in the universe.

So do you think King Piccolo could do the same to Beerus with a sneak attack to Beerus?

Nope.All it would accomplish is some broken Namekian bones followed by a dead Namekian

The same way that Krillin's Kienzan could harm Freeza where it should be impossible because there should be a big enough gap that would make that impossible.

Yes becuase Krillin's kienzan is powerful it never failed once in the manga not too mention Goku did the same thing to Buutenks and it chopped him in half becuase it's a powerful attack.

Sorbet is using a ring not his own natural power to hurt someone who would make Vegito look like childsplay,not too mention Sorbet knew how much stronger Goku had gotten.

It's a powerful ring

Sorbet targeted Goku's heart which is his weak point.

So you're telling me a Full Power Dodonpa from Tao Pai Pai or FP Kamehameha from Krillin can down even Freeza and the gods, so long as they are off guard? I find that idea silly.

No, because Freeza and the gods never 100% let down their guard so much, unlike Goku, whose tendency to do that is pointed out by Whis.

It targeted his heart but getting passed his durability is one thing.Freeza with his death beams in the Namek saga can fire all the death beams he wants at Vegito but it wouldn't even phase him unless he lowers his level by a huge amount

Yes Goku lets his guard down as Whis pointed out but your're ignoring it's Whis is the one hurting him not Master Roshi not King Piccolo not Android 8 but Whis the strongest in the universe

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So you're telling me a Full Power Dodonpa from Tao Pai Pai or FP Kamehameha from Krillin can down even Freeza and the gods, so long as they are off guard? I find that idea silly.

It's as silly as Krillin Kienzan hurting anybody pass the Saiyan Saga.

Yes becuase Krillin's kienzan is powerful it never failed once in the manga not too mention Goku did the same thing to Buutenks and it chopped him in half becuase it's a powerful attack.

Sorbet is using a ring not his own natural power to hurt someone who would make Vegito look like childsplay,not too mention Sorbet knew how much stronger Goku had gotten.

It's a powerful ring

It's a powerful enough ring to harm Goku when his guards are down. That's about it. If he tried to attack even Krillin when he is all powered up, it wouldn't do anything.

[dbzfan7]

Sorbet targeted Goku's heart which is his weak point.

So if I point a sniper at Goku's heart, I can kill him so long as he's off guard? Same with Beerus and Whis? Humans should just supe up the Kienzan to godly levels so then they can own even top tier characters.

So you're telling me a Full Power Dodonpa from Tao Pai Pai or FP Kamehameha from Krillin can down even Freeza and the gods, so long as they are off guard? I find that idea silly.

It's as silly as Krillin Kienzan hurting anybody pass the Saiyan Saga.

The Kienzan is a deadly cutting move that eventually wouldn't work. This is a random army ring that can apparently kill gods. If the Kienzan was as godly as some people make it out to be, then Krillin coulda stealth killed Freeza and ended the movie much sooner.

[dae428]

The way I see it, the human and Saiyan body are only able to get to a certain level of toughness until it has to be boosted by ki. Usually when Goku fights he is able to manipulate his ki to block attacks and whatnot that are also boosted with ki or just strike than his physical capabilities. So in the movie, it seems that Goku could have been hit at a vital point without him actually putting forth any ki which would actually cause him a pretty decent amount of pain allowing Freeza to get in a few good hits against Goku.

Freeza and Cell are naturally far more durable than humans and Saiyans. Ever cut a human in half? Chances are... he'll die.

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The Kienzan is a deadly cutting move that eventually wouldn't work. This is a random army ring that can apparently kill gods. If the Kienzan was as godly as some people make it out to be, then Krillin coulda stealth killed Freeza and ended the movie much sooner.

How do you know it's random? Maybe it isn't. Maybe it's a ring that can make a deadly piercing move. Unless there's official material stating otherwise, anything is possible.

[Saiyan007]

The Kienzan is a deadly cutting move that eventually wouldn't work. This is a random army ring that can apparently kill gods. If the Kienzan was as godly as some people make it out to be, then Krillin coulda stealth killed Freeza and ended the movie much sooner.

How do you know it's random? Maybe it isn't. Maybe it's a ring that can make a deadly piercing move. Unless there's official material stating otherwise, anything is possible.

That would mean the ring is strong enough to harm Goku.

Not Goku lowering his level to someone weaker than Zarbon while he's still in his God form

[Marco Polo]

So if I point a sniper at Goku's heart, I can kill him so long as he's off guard? Same with Beerus and Whis? Humans should just supe up the Kienzan to godly levels so then they can own even top tier characters.

Wat. No you can't kill him that way, and neither did Sorbet.

[Beerus-sama]

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Yay ! New Screenshots!!
Is it just me, or Beerus is drinking Beer in one screenshot?

http://youtu.be/_TU5rSCOjSo

new video!

Thank you!
I love the scenery
the animation and colors look beautiful
Also, Gohan sounded more like Goku when he was flying with Piccolo to find Freeza...

[dbzfan7]

The Kienzan is a deadly cutting move that eventually wouldn't work. This is a random army ring that can apparently kill gods. If the Kienzan was as godly as some people make it out to be, then Krillin coulda stealth killed Freeza and ended the movie much sooner.

How do you know it's random? Maybe it isn't. Maybe it's a ring that can make a deadly piercing move. Unless there's official material stating otherwise, anything is possible.

With that kind of thought process, you can make up the most ridiculous of claims. I can say Appule has a super strong brother who he's unaware about, and has been sleeping for years. Til official info says otherwise anything is possible right? No. If the ring is in no way treated as special or remarked that way when compared to standard issue soldier weapons, then it's basically a ring form of that.

Also Vegeta makes it pretty clear

Chapter: 303 (DBZ 109), P11.1-2
Vegeta: “When we Saiyans revive from the brink of death, our strength increases! So go ahead and half-kill me! There’s no effect if I try to kill myself! You do it! Quickly! Freeza is about to perform his final transformation!”
Kuririn: “I-I couldn't half-kill you with my power…”
Vegeta: “Don’t worry…I’ll lower my battle power to its limit…! It’s fortunate that the Namekian brat who can instantly heal people is here…”

Wouldn't matter if Vegeta left himself wide open or didn't try to defend a blast. He has to lower his strength as low as possible so he can be hurt.

So if I point a sniper at Goku's heart, I can kill him so long as he's off guard? Same with Beerus and Whis? Humans should just supe up the Kienzan to godly levels so then they can own even top tier characters.

Wat. No you can't kill him that way, and neither did Sorbet.

He woulda died if not for the senzu. So off guard sniper rifles to the heart mean I can kill the gods. Humans are potentially more powerful than we thought.

[Ajay]

Also, Gohan sounded more like Goku when he was flying with Piccolo to find Freeza...

There were a few unfortunate incidences of this happening in Boo Kai, too.

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The Kienzan is a deadly cutting move that eventually wouldn't work. This is a random army ring that can apparently kill gods. If the Kienzan was as godly as some people make it out to be, then Krillin coulda stealth killed Freeza and ended the movie much sooner.

How do you know it's random? Maybe it isn't. Maybe it's a ring that can make a deadly piercing move. Unless there's official material stating otherwise, anything is possible.

That would mean the ring is strong enough to harm Goku.

Not Goku lowering his level to someone weaker than Zarbon while he's still in his God form

Where are you getting the Zarbon level thing? If it's from the summary, didn't kei17 already said that isn't the case.

The ring can produce a deadly piercing move which can pierce people on a higher power level like Kienzan can cut people at a higher power level. If this is what you meant than I totally agree.

With that kind of thought process, you can make up the most ridiculous of claims. I can say Appule has a super strong brother who he's unaware about, and has been sleeping for years. Til official info says otherwise anything is possible right? No. If the ring is in no way treated as special or remarked that way when compared to standard issue soldier weapons, then it's basically a ring form of that.

You can say it's ridiculous if you want to but that doesn't matter because it's possible. Freeza suddenly get strong is possible. Vegeta suddenly have a younger brother is also possible. You only say Appule to make it sound ridiculous. Try saying Freeza has an older brother who he's unaware about, and has been sleeping for years. Not as ridiculous.

It didn't look like any standard issue weapons. Like none.

[soulnova]

I have to say that clip looks awesome. I'm more hyped now. I was expecting only "above average" style and animation, but this is definitely on the "nice" category.

I want to see more!

*purposely ignores debate*

[Birusu16]

Yea I'm pretty sure Kei17 said that the Zarbon comparison was simply a comparison of status in Freeza's empire, not power.

[Saiyan007]

Where are you getting the Zarbon level thing? If it's from the summary, didn't kei17 already said that isn't the case.

The ring can produce a deadly piercing move which can pierce people on a higher power level like Kienzan can cut people at a higher power level. If this is what you meant than I totally agree.

People are implying that ring is an extremely weak attack and only hurt Goku becuase he let his guard down and seeing that Sorbet isn't stronger than Zarbon(Tagoma is) it would make no sense for Goku to be hurt by someone so weak and yes i agree with your sentence the ring is just that damn powerful it can even pierce the Gods just like the keinzan