Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[dbzfan7]

Vegeta "defeating" Freeza once out of the 4 times he was defeated in the film is nothing special.

Tell that to the people who saw it.

I did see the film. I don't see how it counts as a win for Vegeta if the fight concludes with Freeza killing him, then being undone, and Goku kills Freeza.

Do not get into this...for your sanity's sake.

[Kamiccolo9]

In which case the fight ended with Goku killing Freeza while Vegeta stood there, about to get blown up.

He stood there with Freeza kneeling before him.

So what? If Freeza had given up, or fallen over dead, you'd have a point. He didn't. He blew Vegeta up.

[sintzu]

I did see the film. I don't see how it counts as a win for Vegeta if the fight concludes with Freeza killing him, then being undone, and Goku kills Freeza.

When it was undone wasn't Freeza on the ground while Vegeta was standing over him before Goku blew him up ? if so then how is that not a win ?

[Kamiccolo9]

I did see the film. I don't see how it counts as a win for Vegeta if the fight concludes with Freeza killing him, then being undone, and Goku kills Freeza.

When it was undone wasn't Freeza on the ground while Vegeta was standing over him before Goku blew him up ? if so then how is that not a win ?

Because the fight wasn't over?

[Birusu16]

People seem to think you have to kill someone to beat them. You don't. Whis reversing time didn't just give Goku the kill, it essentially gave Vegeta the win in the fight between him and Freeza. Freeza was on his knees while Vegeta was in perfectly fine shape and just about to deliver the final blow.

[Kamiccolo9]

People seem to think you have to kill someone to beat them. You don't. Whis reversing time didn't just give Goku the kill, it essentially gave Vegeta the win in the fight between him and Freeza. Freeza was on his knees while Vegeta was in perfectly fine shape and just about to deliver the final blow.

Except if Goku hadn't intervened, it would have ended with Vegeta getting blown up. Again.

Question. What was Vegeta's goal here? Was it to kill Freeza? Was it to protect the world from Freeza? If so, he failed to do both. Ergo, he loss.

[sintzu]

You don't have to kill somebody to win a fight.

That only works for certain characters.

For example :

Goku defeats Nappa while Vegeta kills him = a win for Goku.

Vegeta defeats Freeza while Goku kills him = a lose for Vegeta.

[Lord Beerus]

Are we really gonna have this bloody argument again?

[Kamiccolo9]

You don't have to kill somebody to win a fight.

That only works for certain characters.

For example :

Goku defeats Nappa while Vegeta kills him = a win for Goku.

Vegeta defeats Freeza while Goku kills him = a lose for Vegeta.

Nappa didn't end up killing Goku, did he?

[Kid Buu]

You don't have to kill somebody to win a fight.

That only works for certain characters.

For example :

Goku defeats Nappa while Vegeta kills him = a win for Goku.

Vegeta defeats Freeza while Goku kills him = a lose for Vegeta.

Nappa didn't end up killing Goku, did he?

Nappa was also incapable of fighting back at that point, Freeza was.

[Birusu16]

People seem to think you have to kill someone to beat them. You don't. Whis reversing time didn't just give Goku the kill, it essentially gave Vegeta the win in the fight between him and Freeza. Freeza was on his knees while Vegeta was in perfectly fine shape and just about to deliver the final blow.

Except if Goku hadn't intervened, it would have ended with Vegeta getting blown up. Again.

Question. What was Vegeta's goal here? Was it to kill Freeza? Was it to protect the world from Freeza? If so, he failed to do both. Ergo, he loss.

Ifs are just that, IFS. Goku DID intervene and thus renders the rest of your point moot. The fight between Freeza and Vegeta ended the minute Goku intervened and the one left standing between the two was Vegeta. Freeza was on his knees while Vegeta was in perfect shape.

Failing a to achieve a goal does not in anyway mean failing to win the fight. In the final battle between Naruto and Sasuke, Naruto achieved his goal by getting Sasuke to come to his senses. The fight? A draw. Winning a fight and accomplishing your goal are not the same thing.

And why don't you tell me what Vegeta's goal was there since you seem to think you know more than anyone else. If you can read his mind then please enlighten me.

[sintzu]

Except if Goku hadn't intervened, it would have ended with Vegeta getting blown up.

If Trunks didn't go back in time then everyone would have died so are you going to say that everything the heroes do after he arrives doesn't count cause they died in the past ?

[dbzfan7]

Nappa was also incapable of fighting back at that point, Freeza was.

Doesn't matter that you have full context having seen the movie yourself. If you don't agree with em, you're pretty much disregarded.

[Kamiccolo9]

Except if Goku hadn't intervened, it would have ended with Vegeta getting blown up.

If Trunks didn't go back in time then everyone would have died so are you going to say that everything the heroes do after he arrives doesn't count cause they died in the past ?

In Trunks' timeline, yeah. It didn't affect anything.

In the movie, we have two separate scenarios.
Scenario 1-Vegeta gets blown up.
Scenario 2-Goku rushes in, saves Vegeta from getting blown up, and kills Freeza.

In neither one of those does Vegeta win.

[Kamiccolo9]

People seem to think you have to kill someone to beat them. You don't. Whis reversing time didn't just give Goku the kill, it essentially gave Vegeta the win in the fight between him and Freeza. Freeza was on his knees while Vegeta was in perfectly fine shape and just about to deliver the final blow.

And why don't you tell me what Vegeta's goal was there since you seem to think you know more than anyone else. If you can read his mind then please enlighten me.

Was Vegeta's goal to get blown up? Was it to have Goku jump in and kill Freeza during his fight?

If not, then he failed.

[sintzu]

Scenario 2-Goku rushes in, saves Vegeta from getting blown up, and kills Freeza.

In neither one of those does Vegeta win.

Before Goku rushed in wasn't Freeza on his knees while Vegeta was standing over him unharmed ?

[redon]

Vegeta Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Akira Toriyama's desings in HQ.

Spoiler:

[Kid Buu]

Scenario 2-Goku rushes in, saves Vegeta from getting blown up, and kills Freeza.

In neither one of those does Vegeta win.

Before Goku rushed in wasn't Freeza on his knees while Vegeta was standing over him unharmed ?

He was on his knees ready to blow up the planet.

[Kamiccolo9]

Scenario 2-Goku rushes in, saves Vegeta from getting blown up, and kills Freeza.

In neither one of those does Vegeta win.

Before Goku rushed in wasn't Freeza on his knees while Vegeta was standing over him unharmed ?

Show me a single definition of "winning" or "losing" where the words "was on his knees" are present. On another note:

So, I get mugged, and manage to fight off my mugger. The mugger pulls out a gun and is about to shoot me in the head, and Batman jumps in and KO's the guy. I TOTALLY WON AGAINST THE MUGGER AMIRITE.

[Dyno]

If you don't agree with em, you're pretty much disregarded.

I have been observing this... Pretty lame Kanzenshuu forum has this kind of toxic people. Most of the times you pretend agreeing or just ignore.