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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection '

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:53 pm

bubibartra wrote:
example:
if Krillin, had killed Vegeta after the fight with Goku, Krillin is victory?
bettle against Vegeta in the saiyan saga was considered a victory of Goku but Goku was lying on the floor with all the broken bones and Vegeta could reach its capsule with its own means
Different scenarios. The Vegeta fight had way more variables, and it's harder to attribute one person the victory, as if any of those variables were removed, the fight would have been lost.

In RoF, Vegeta's fight doesn't affect anything. If Vegeta loses, Goku's there, recently healed by a senzu, to defeat Freeza. If Vegeta had actually accomplished anything, then he might deserve some credit, but he didn't. Vegeta actually made the situation worse, as he pushed Freeza into blowing up the planet instead of KOing or killing him. Remove Vegeta from the equation, and nothing changes. Whis is still there to reverse time and give Goku another chance.

If anything, the victory should be shared between Goku and Whis. All Vegeta did was push an already overextended opponent to the breaking point, and getting himself and everyone else killed.
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:You have yet to actually engage in discussion with any of us, and are merely repeating the "Freeza was on his knees" thing over and over again.
What else do you want me to say ? that's how the fight ended.
Except it's not. The fight ended with either Freeza blowing up Earth, or with Goku killing Freeza. In no scenario does Vegeta actually finish the fight.
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Post by Birusu16 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:55 pm

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Kamiccolo9 wrote:You have yet to actually engage in discussion with any of us, and are merely repeating the "Freeza was on his knees" thing over and over again.
What else do you want me to say ? that's how the fight ended.
So true. Ifs, ands, buts are all just what they sound like. The events that unfolded after Whis reversed time are the events that REALLY HAPPENED, not the ones that happened before he reversed time. No different than with The Flash (CW) where Wells kills Cisco and Weather Wizard unleashes a tsunami on Central City, but Barry goes back in time and thus none of those events ever happen.

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Post by sintzu » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:57 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:The fight ended with either Freeza blowing up Earth, or with Goku killing Freeza.In no scenario does Vegeta actually finish the fight.
The fight was finished before both those scenarios.
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Post by Dyno » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:58 pm

sintzu wrote:We're toxic because we're sticking to our opinions ?
No. You're toxic when somenone disagree with you and you can't accept it. That was my post was about.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:58 pm

sintzu wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:The fight ended with either Freeza blowing up Earth, or with Goku killing Freeza.In no scenario does Vegeta actually finish the fight.
The fight was finished before both those scenarios.
So Freeza was totally, decisively beaten, unable to retaliate at all?
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Re: Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection '

Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:59 pm

Oh man, the crazy facial expressions are out in force for this one. :lol: Check out Sorbet and Freeza.
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Post by bubibartra » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:00 pm

TheGmGoken wrote:Goku did not beat Vegeta. Most media say it's a draw or everyone but Krillin was defeated. Only person who thinks Vegeta lost to Goku was Vegeta himself. Goku even admits defeat against Vegeta.
Goku eas esential, Gohan ozaru was esential... Krillin was defeated but if Krillin with sword kills vegeta
Krillin had won?

Goku was defeated also against freezer but Krillin gives him a seed and Whiss manipule the time and Goku shoot without Freezer can defend
who is won?
probably the unique really winner Whiss, who not need anyone really for win.. but goku and Vegeta are essentials in the victory, as Gohan y goku in the Saiyan saga if Krillin kill Vegeta.
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Post by Birusu16 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:00 pm

Dyno wrote:
sintzu wrote:We're toxic because we're sticking to our opinions ?
No. You're toxic when somenone disagree with you and you can't accept it. That was my post was about.
You mean like the ones who continue to harass Sintzu or anyone else whenever they bring up Vegeta winning the fight against Freeza? Because that's certainly what happens. He brings it up and then all of the sudden he's got 3 or 4 posters jumping on his opinion like it's factually wrong.

I don't know why people can't just accept it and move on.

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Post by Birusu16 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:01 pm

DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:Oh man, the crazy facial expressions are out in force for this one. :lol: Check out Sorbet and Freeza.
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I think that's Sorbet right before he's about to be destroyed by the blast Vegeta deflected at him. :lol:

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Post by sintzu » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:01 pm

Birusu16 wrote:The events that unfolded after Whis reversed time are the events that REALLY HAPPENED, not the ones that happened before he reversed time.
Some fans just can't stand the idea of Vegeta being the one out of all the characters to get the spotlight alongside Goku.

I assure you that if Gohan was the one in Vegeta's place there would be no debates about these events.
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:01 pm

Birusu16 wrote:
Dyno wrote:
sintzu wrote:We're toxic because we're sticking to our opinions ?
No. You're toxic when somenone disagree with you and you can't accept it. That was my post was about.
You mean like the ones who continue to harass Sintzu or anyone else whenever they bring up Vegeta winning the fight against Freeza? Because that's certainly what happens. He brings it up and then all of the sudden he's got 3 or 4 posters jumping on his opinion like it's factually wrong.

I don't know why people can't just accept it and move on.
Maybe Sinzu would be better off not posting unpopular opinions that he cannot defend, then? Why even bother bringing something up, knowing that people are going to disagree, if you're not willing to discuss it?
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Post by bubibartra » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:03 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote: Maybe Sinzu would be better off not posting unpopular opinions that he cannot defend, then? Why even bother bringing something up, knowing that people are going to disagree, if you're not willing to discuss it?

impopular opinion for you and the same 3 or 4 posters that always answer him, no for anyone...
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Post by TheGmGoken » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:05 pm

sintzu wrote:

I assure you that if Gohan was the one in Vegeta's place there would be no debates about these events.
Jokes on you I don't like Son Gohan. :wink: .
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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:05 pm

bubibartra wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote: Maybe Sinzu would be better off not posting unpopular opinions that he cannot defend, then? Why even bother bringing something up, knowing that people are going to disagree, if you're not willing to discuss it?

impopular opinion for you and the same 3 or 4 posters that always answer, no for anyone...
Going by the responses that he's getting here, yes, it is unpopular. If some silent majority on the forums want to speak up and support him, then let them do so. As it stands, it's the two of you complaining that people are disagreeing with you, when neither of you have actually said anything to support your opinion.

So, I'll ask again, to give the two of you a chance. How did Vegeta win the fight?
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Post by sintzu » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:05 pm

Dyno wrote:No. You're toxic when somenone disagree with you and you can't accept it. That was my post was about.
If we go by this logic then every member is toxic.
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Post by Birusu16 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:07 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:Maybe Sinzu would be better off not posting unpopular opinions that he cannot defend, then? Why even bother bringing something up, knowing that people are going to disagree, if you're not willing to discuss it?
He's defended them perfectly fine in my eyes and I'm sure he thinks he has as well. Just because you don't think he has doesn't mean he definitively hasn't. If you like to think he hasn't presented his case efficiently enough then do so as it's your opinion, but don't sit here and act like your view on that is the only right one because it's not just like your view of Vegeta not winning isn't the only right one.

If he and others think Vegeta won his fight with Freeza they're perfectly entitled to think that. It's THEIR OPINION. LEARN TO ACCEPT OTHER OPINIONS.
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Post by sintzu » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:08 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:So, I'll ask again, to give the two of you a chance. How did Vegeta win the fight?
He beat him up so bad he couldn't stand up.
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Post by Ajay » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:11 pm

redon wrote:Vegeta Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Akira Toriyama's desings in HQ.
Really enjoying these new character designs. Toriyama seems to be slowly adapting some of the elements that made his original art so good.

The further we move away from this, the happier I am. We seem to be back to this sort of style.

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Post by Kamiccolo9 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:12 pm

Birusu16 wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Maybe Sinzu would be better off not posting unpopular opinions that he cannot defend, then? Why even bother bringing something up, knowing that people are going to disagree, if you're not willing to discuss it?
He's defended them perfectly fine in my eyes and I'm sure he thinks he has as well. Just because you don't think he has doesn't mean he definitively hasn't. If you like to think he hasn't presented his case efficiently enough then do so as it's your opinion, but don't sit here and act like your view on that is the only right one because it's not just like your view of Vegeta not winning isn't the only right one.

LEARN TO ACCEPT OTHER OPINIONS.
He hasn't defended anything. He is apparently using an entirely different vocabulary than everyone else on the planet Earth, since, according to him, "losing" means "you're on your knees." Whis intervening does not negate the fact that, out of universe (which is what this discussion is for), Vegeta lost.

Merely repeating the same thing over and over does not a valid opinion make. And no, I will not accept opinions that aren't sufficiently backed up. Neither should anyone else.
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Kamiccolo9 wrote:So, I'll ask again, to give the two of you a chance. How did Vegeta win the fight?
He beat him up so bad he couldn't stand up.
So he has the power to destroy a planet, but he can't stand up? Prove it. I'm calling bullshit.
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Post by Birusu16 » Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:12 pm

AjayLikesGaming wrote:
redon wrote:Vegeta Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Akira Toriyama's desings in HQ.
Really enjoying these new character designs. Toriyama seems to be slowly adapting some of the elements that made his original art so good.

The further we move away from this, the happier I am. We seem to be back to this sort of style.

Not that this post is ever going to be noticed as the most asinine 'debate' is flooding this thread, currently.
I've noticed it! And I agree. Loving the new character designs. :clap:

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