Official On-Going DBZ 2015 Movie Thread: "Resurrection 'F'"

[sintzu]

Jokes on you I don't like Son Gohan. .

You're in a VERY small minority.

[TheGmGoken]

Vegeta Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Akira Toriyama's desings in HQ.

Spoiler:

Really enjoying these new character designs. Toriyama seems to be slowly adapting some of the elements that made his original art so good.

The further we move away from this, the happier I am. We seem to be back to this sort of style.

*Unneeded Comment*
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Where's the second picture from?

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Why?!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dragon-Ball-Z-M ... 1e9d6a2450
I'm sure you could almost buy all this stuff with loose change over there (not including the movie ticket, of course).

Still haven't seen anything from inside Volume F yet. A lot of people probably haven't opened there's yet. I'm guessing it's mostly just text with a few sketches here and there anyway.

[Birusu16]

Maybe Sinzu would be better off not posting unpopular opinions that he cannot defend, then? Why even bother bringing something up, knowing that people are going to disagree, if you're not willing to discuss it?

He's defended them perfectly fine in my eyes and I'm sure he thinks he has as well. Just because you don't think he has doesn't mean he definitively hasn't. If you like to think he hasn't presented his case efficiently enough then do so as it's your opinion, but don't sit here and act like your view on that is the only right one because it's not just like your view of Vegeta not winning isn't the only right one.

LEARN TO ACCEPT OTHER OPINIONS.

He hasn't defended anything. He is apparently using an entirely different vocabulary than everyone else on the planet Earth, since, according to him, "losing" means "you're on your knees." Whis intervening does not negate the fact that, out of universe (which is what this discussion is for), Vegeta lost.

Merely repeating the same thing over and over does not a valid opinion make. And no, I will not accept opinions that aren't sufficiently backed up. Neither should anyone else.

So, I'll ask again, to give the two of you a chance. How did Vegeta win the fight?

He beat him up so bad he couldn't stand up.

So he has the power to destroy a planet, but he can't stand up? Prove it. I'm calling bullshit.

If you want to think like that then so be it, but guess what? You're view isn't the only valid or factually correct one. In my eyes he's defended his opinion perfectly fine. I'm sorry if you don't like how he's defended it.

And now you're just being extremely arrogant and I have absolutely no interest in continuing a debate with people like that.

Enjoy the rest of your morning, afternoon, or evening.

And Sintzu I'd advise you to stop as well. It's not worth it nor is it worth clogging this thread up anymore with this debate.

[Bullza]

For all that complaining early on about the animation from the parts of the clip I saw it looks perfectly fine.

[Avenged]

Seems 2ch is down for me, and on the day the movie releases lol

[Dyno]

If we go by this logic then every member is toxic.

Not really. I'm pretty sure if you try to bash Son Gohan with or without the intention to offend dbzfan7 he will let it go.
I'm pretty sure if you try to bash Son Goten with or without the intention to offend GmGoken, he will let it go.

Some tried to attack me by bashing Bardock but with no success, don't care at all to mere opinions.


But whatever, this is getting pointless. Move on.

[Birusu16]

Why?!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dragon-Ball-Z-M ... 1e9d6a2450
I'm sure you could almost buy all this stuff with loose change over there (not including the movie ticket, of course).

Still haven't seen anything from inside Volume F yet. A lot of people probably haven't opened there's yet. I'm guessing it's mostly just text with a few sketches here and there anyway.

I really like the look of Golden Freeza there.

[sintzu]

According to him, "losing" means "you're on your knees.

Merely repeating the same thing over and over does not a valid opinion make.

So he has the power to destroy a planet, but he can't stand up? Prove it.

How is being beat up so bad to the point you're on the ground not considered a lose ?

Does 1+1 = anything other then 2 ? there are certain things that only have 1 response and this is one of them.

So he got on his hands and knees for the fun of it ?

[Lord Beerus]

Oh man, the crazy facial expressions are out in force for this one. Check out Sorbet and Freeza.

Oh, God. Sorbet's facial reaction slays me.

[bubibartra]

Maybe Sinzu would be better off not posting unpopular opinions that he cannot defend, then? Why even bother bringing something up, knowing that people are going to disagree, if you're not willing to discuss it?

impopular opinion for you and the same 3 or 4 posters that always answer, no for anyone...

Going by the responses that he's getting here, yes, it is unpopular. If some silent majority on the forums want to speak up and support him, then let them do so. As it stands, it's the two of you complaining that people are disagreeing with you, when neither of you have actually said anything to support your opinion.

So, I'll ask again, to give the two of you a chance. How did Vegeta win the fight?

Vegeta, prevents Gokus dies and then leaves Freezer in fourth form so that Goku can beat a kamehameha. Without that, without the intervention of Whiss, goku does not win,
Victoria of a group is victory for all essential members in battle
it was in the victory on the saiyan saga against Vegeta, Goku and Gohan won despite Goku could neither move because whitout Goku or Gohan Ozaru not possible the victory.

[sintzu]

I'd advise you to stop as well. It's not worth it nor is it worth clogging this thread up anymore with this debate.

Good idea.

Thanks for the help.

[Piririn]

I think Vegeta lost. Freeza being on his knees doesn't matter - Goku was in far worse shape than that when he defeated Piccolo during the 23rd Budokai. All that matters is that Freeza killed Vegeta. If Whis had turned back time 1000 times, and nobody had intervened, Freeza would've killed Vegeta 1000 times.

There's no possible way that you can be victorious if the battle ended with your corpse floating in space.

[rereboy]

How is being beat up so bad to the point you're on the ground not considered a lose ?

Does 1+1 = anything other then 2 ? there are certain things that only have 1 response and this is one of them.

So he got on his hands and knees for the fun of it ?

It just proves that Vegeta demonstrated that he was more powerful than Freeza at that moment. That's all.

Following your logic, Yamcha's fight with the Saibamen was also a clear win for Yamcha... despite the Saibamen killing him.

It's pretty much the same situation. Yamcha didn't really win against the Saibamen despite being more powerful because he got killed by him, at most we can call it a tie because the Saibamen didn't survive either. The same way, Vegeta didn't win against Freeza because he got killed by him despite being stronger, just like Yamcha and the Saibamen... So, at most it's also a tie.

[Kamiccolo9]

Vegeta, prevents Gokus dies and then leaves Freezer in fourth form so that Goku can beat a kamehameha. Without that, without the intervention of Whiss, goku does not win,
Victoria of a group is victory for all essential members in battle
it was in the victory on the saiyan saga against Vegeta, Goku and Gohan won despite Goku could neither move because whitout Goku or Gohan Ozaru not possible the victory.

Except take out Vegeta, and what happens? Whis rewinds time to give his student another chance, just like he did in the movie. Vegeta's fight, as cool as it may be, doesn't matter.

According to him, "losing" means "you're on your knees.

Merely repeating the same thing over and over does not a valid opinion make.

So he has the power to destroy a planet, but he can't stand up? Prove it.

How is being beat up so bad to the point you're on the ground not considered a lose ?

Does 1+1 = anything other then 2 ? there are certain things that only have 1 response and this is one of them.

So he got on his hands and knees for the fun of it ?

He got on his knees to throw a hissy fit and blow up the planet.

In an actual, real life fight, sport-sanctioned or otherwise, just getting on your hands and knees does not result in the fight ending.
If Freeza had given up, or begged for mercy, that would be different. But he didn't.

So no, your definition of "loss" has no relation to what the word actually means.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Movie theatres are looking pretty crammed over there in Japan. But how many of them are there for Dragon Ball?

https://twitter.com/1128mxa/status/589221548906577921

[sintzu]

Yamcha's fight with the Saibamen was also a clear win for Yamcha... despite the Saibamen killing him.

If someone would have rewound the clock to kill the Sainaman before it happened then it would have been a win for him.

[Birusu16]

I'd advise you to stop as well. It's not worth it nor is it worth clogging this thread up anymore with this debate.

Good idea.

Thanks for the help.

No problem. We've got our opinions and they've got theirs. If they don't like or can't accept the fact that we see things differently than them then too bad.

Now back to the movie. Anybody know how to get that pamphlet? Do you have to see the movie in theaters in order to get it?

[dae428]

Vegeta, prevents Gokus dies and then leaves Freezer in fourth form so that Goku can beat a kamehameha. Without that, without the intervention of Whiss, goku does not win,
Victoria of a group is victory for all essential members in battle
it was in the victory on the saiyan saga against Vegeta, Goku and Gohan won despite Goku could neither move because whitout Goku or Gohan Ozaru not possible the victory.

Except take out Vegeta, and what happens? Whis rewinds time to give his student another chance, just like he did in the movie. Vegeta's fight, as cool as it may be, doesn't matter.

According to him, "losing" means "you're on your knees.

Merely repeating the same thing over and over does not a valid opinion make.

So he has the power to destroy a planet, but he can't stand up? Prove it.

How is being beat up so bad to the point you're on the ground not considered a lose ?

Does 1+1 = anything other then 2 ? there are certain things that only have 1 response and this is one of them.

So he got on his hands and knees for the fun of it ?

He got on his knees to throw a hissy fit and blow up the planet.

In an actual, real life fight, sport-sanctioned or otherwise, just getting on your hands and knees does not result in the fight ending.
If Freeza had given up, or begged for mercy, that would be different. But he didn't.

So no, your definition of "loss" has no relation to what the word actually means.

Look at it this way, Vegeta overwhelmed Freeza to the point where Freeza had no choice but to destroy the entire planet because he knew he was no match for Vegeta. In a small sense that can be considered a victory for Vegeta who was clearly more powerful than Freeza. I'm not saying that he did win the fight, I'm just saying that there is an argument to be had over the whole win-lose thing based on what you really consider what it means to win.

[bubibartra]

Vegeta, prevents Gokus dies and then leaves Freezer in fourth form so that Goku can beat a kamehameha. Without that, without the intervention of Whiss, goku does not win,
Victoria of a group is victory for all essential members in battle
it was in the victory on the saiyan saga against Vegeta, Goku and Gohan won despite Goku could neither move because whitout Goku or Gohan Ozaru not possible the victory.

Except take out Vegeta, and what happens? Whis rewinds time to give his student another chance, just like he did in the movie. Vegeta's fight, as cool as it may be, doesn't matter.

According to him, "losing" means "you're on your knees.

Merely repeating the same thing over and over does not a valid opinion make.

So he has the power to destroy a planet, but he can't stand up? Prove it.

How is being beat up so bad to the point you're on the ground not considered a lose ?

Does 1+1 = anything other then 2 ? there are certain things that only have 1 response and this is one of them.

So he got on his hands and knees for the fun of it ?

He got on his knees to throw a hissy fit and blow up the planet.

In an actual, real life fight, sport-sanctioned or otherwise, just getting on your hands and knees does not result in the fight ending.
If Freeza had given up, or begged for mercy, that would be different. But he didn't.

So no, your definition of "loss" has no relation to what the word actually means.

except that

following this logical...

take out Goku ... and what happens?

Vegeta fights Frieza and if there is a problem, no problem: Whiss fixes

But as happens battle, until intervene Whiis, Goku and Vegeta are essential for the battle. Vegeta saves Goku no Whiss.